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[Jockey79]

..... And elite doesn't have to be about one person, as you suggest, it can be about many......

And I was called ignorant... geez.

Here you, again;

From the Kickstarter;
*And the best part - you can do all this online with your friends, or other "Elite" pilots like yourself, or even alone. The choice is yours...*
*you will be able to control who else you might encounter in your game – perhaps limit it to just your friends? Cooperate on adventures or chase your friends down to get that booty. The game will work in a seamless, lobby-less way, with the ability to rendezvous with friends
*Play it your way*
Your reputation is affected by your personal choices. Play the game your way: dangerous pirate, famous explorer or notorious assassin - the choice is yours to make. Take on missions and affect the world around you, alone or with your friends.*
*You simply play the game, and depending on your configuration (your choice) *
*We have the concept of “groups”. They can be private groups just of your friends or open groups (that form part of the game) based on the play styles people prefer, and the rules in each can be different. Players will begin in the group “All” but can change groups at will,*


and from the Store Page;

INFINITE FREEDOM
Go where you like, be what you like - pirate, bounty hunter, trader, assassin, or some mix of all of these.
Trade: Buy low, cross dangerous space lanes, evade or destroy pirates en route, then sell high, if you make the journey!
Fight: Take on the pirates or be one yourself.
Progress: Get your pilot rating all the way from "Harmless" to "Elite".
Explore: Head out to the far reaches of space and discover amazing sights.
Multiplayer: And the best part - you can do all this online with your friends, or other "Elite" pilots like yourself, or even alone. The choice is yours.

The choice to take a slower path and play with others is just that, a choice YOU make.

 

[Walt Kerman]

And I was called ignorant... geez.

Here you, again;

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and from the Store Page;

INFINITE FREEDOM

Multiplayer: And the best part - you can do all this online with your friends, or other "Elite" pilots like yourself, or even alone. The choice is yours.

The choice to take a slower path and play with others is just that, a choice YOU make.

Thanks for providing evidence. Like I said, it doesn't have to be about one person.

 

[Jockey79]

Thanks for providing evidence. Like I said, it doesn't have to be about one person.

or, see, or

a choice. you make. no one else, but you - so, still about the individual and if they want to earn lots or chill with others

 

[fademist]

Thanks for providing evidence. Like I said, it doesn't have to be about one person.

still if they change that they go under the false advertise category

 

[Jockey79]

You know what, bored of this. Got a better suggestion.

As I can only play for 3 - 4 hours a week due to real life commitments, anyone who plays more than 4 hours a week cannot contribute to CG.
After all, online players earn more than offline players don't they. And it is not fair those spending time with family, or in bed for the night.
Why should someone who plays 10+ hours a week be able to contribute more than someone who cannot.

Or how about girls that play, statistically more boys than girls play games - so it is unfair the boys earn more than the girls and that is not fair to the girls, so unless the genders become equal, no boy should earn CG credit.

Blondes Vs Brunette
Tall Vs Short
Rich Vs Poor

You can cut the player demographic in a lot of ways, so go on - play your dangerous forum games - sooner or later, you'll get stung by it.

 

[Walt Kerman]

or, see, or

a choice. you make. no one else, but you - so, still about the individual and if they want to earn lots or chill with others

English. If I say "it doesn't have to be about one person" that means it can be one or.... not one. Choice. Which is directly reflected in the post you quoted, and your post. We aren't disagreeing. You are restating my statement and misunderstanding that its the same thing while calling me "ignorant".

Again, I never said choice shouldn't be involved. I said it should. You attacked me for it saying there should be choice. Im with you buddy.

 

[Wicz]

You know what, bored of this. Got a better suggestion.

As I can only play for 3 - 4 hours a week due to real life commitments, anyone who plays more than 4 hours a week cannot contribute to CG.
After all, online players earn more than offline players don't they. And it is not fair those spending time with family, or in bed for the night.
Why should someone who plays 10+ hours a week be able to contribute more than someone who cannot.

Or how about girls that play, statistically more boys than girls play games - so it is unfair the boys earn more than the girls and that is not fair to the girls, so unless the genders become equal, no boy should earn CG credit.

Blondes Vs Brunette
Tall Vs Short
Rich Vs Poor

You can cut the player demographic in a lot of ways, so go on - play your dangerous forum games - sooner or later, you'll get stung by it.

This little gem of a post highlights just how wrong it is to even be considering nerfing one group over another!

 

[Exluna]

Not sure if you have been merged into this thread from another, but there are a number of facets to this thread. Broadly there are 3 groups (with variants of)

Some people are as you, just looking to balance out the community goals etc, (these are the fairest of the bunch that i have some sympathy for)
where as others want solo/groups gone and if your internet is not good enough then elite is not the game for you - KSers be damned about what was promised, we paid our money now tough,
and another group who are happy for solo and groups to exist, but that any character that has ever played outside of ALL be for ever banned from getting back in.

I seemed to have stepped in to the middle of some kind of fracas. Well, I've always been more passive than active anyway. I'm sure I'll get the gist of what's happening, thanks for the clarification.

you dont get what i said ;p

Erm... Perhaps I didn't. Its all a little confusing right now, this thread's 400+ pages long. It'll be a lot to read and digest when I can put aside more time for it. Sorry if I misunderstood, no harm intended.

 

[Jockey79]

Right, just to highlight what folks sound like around here;

I told my brother in law I'd give him a hand to move some stuff today, I am now about to go out for the day (this will be my last post until we are done)

So, if you can all just log out of game right now - as I cannot earn as much as everyone else while I'm not here - that'd be great.
After all, I made the choice to put family before gaming, so you all need to be penalised for it, yea?

I swear, as soon as I'm home I'll let you all know you can log back in and we can all carry on earning together at the same rate

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I seemed to have stepped in to the middle of some kind of fracas.

it's clarkson - get him !!!

lol

 

[Loriath]

Right, just to highlight what folks sound like around here;

I told my brother in law I'd give him a hand to move some stuff today, I am now about to go out for the day (this will be my last post until we are done)

So, if you can all just log out of game right now - as I cannot earn as much as everyone else while I'm not here - that'd be great.
After all, I made the choice to put family before gaming, so you all need to be penalised for it, yea?

I swear, as soon as I'm home I'll let you all know you can log back in and we can all carry on earning together at the same rate

Ok, but I have an appointment at 3. So I may not make it back till about 4:30, but then I have to walk and feed the dogs. Then there is dinner. So about 6:30 or later. Oh crap forgot the wife is sick, and I have to take care of her. Can we make it about 11:00 till 11:30? By then she will be settled and I can squeeze in a half hour then. Hope that is okay with everyone. Wait? What? You're asleep by then in Australia? Oh Crap, forgot time zones. Can we all get together in another thread and agree upon a time that is good for all 400K of us please?

Yep. Gotta Love Life. +Rep for making me chuckle.

 

[Erogenous Zones]

Right, just to highlight what folks sound like around here;

I told my brother in law I'd give him a hand to move some stuff today, I am now about to go out for the day (this will be my last post until we are done)

So, if you can all just log out of game right now - as I cannot earn as much as everyone else while I'm not here - that'd be great.
After all, I made the choice to put family before gaming, so you all need to be penalised for it, yea?

I swear, as soon as I'm home I'll let you all know you can log back in and we can all carry on earning together at the same rate

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it's clarkson - get him !!!

lol

jockey69, you have stated this idea a few times. You seem quite attached to it.
Do you think it has any relevance to the debate at all?
You suggest that there should be an arbitrary limit set on how much on player is allowed to play, based upon how much time another has available.
There are some people who don't play ED. So maybe we should set the limit at 0. No one is allowed to play.
.
the thing is, I don't think you really want anyone to take this idea seriously. It's some sort of "joke", but without the humour.
Do you keep rolling this idea out, again and again, because you hope one day it will become funny? Or do you actually consider it of some value to the debate.
Maybe I'm just not as perceptive as you. I fail to see how your plan is of benefit to you, or the rest of the ED community as a whole.
.
Maybe you could explain a little more about how it works? What the benefits will be.
Will you be planning on letting the rest of the ED community know in advance of your playtime? Could you provide some kind of schedule. You know, some other people have lives outside of ED, and it would only seem fair if they could plan their lives around you.
What happens if you leave? You will put the entire FD staff out of work.
.
I can only see disadvantages from your plan. Please enlighten me.

 

[Joe Spivey]

jockey69, you have stated this idea a few times. You seem quite attached to it.
Do you think it has any relevance to the debate at all?
You suggest that there should be an arbitrary limit set on how much on player is allowed to play, based upon how much time another has available.
There are some people who don't play ED. So maybe we should set the limit at 0. No one is allowed to play.
.
the thing is, I don't think you really want anyone to take this idea seriously. It's some sort of "joke", but without the humour.
Do you keep rolling this idea out, again and again, because you hope one day it will become funny? Or do you actually consider it of some value to the debate.
Maybe I'm just not as perceptive as you. I fail to see how your plan is of benefit to you, or the rest of the ED community as a whole.
.
Maybe you could explain a little more about how it works? What the benefits will be.
Will you be planning on letting the rest of the ED community know in advance of your playtime? Could you provide some kind of schedule. You know, some other people have lives outside of ED, and it would only seem fair if they could plan their lives around you.
What happens if you leave? You will put the entire FD staff out of work.
.
I can only see disadvantages from your plan. Please enlighten me.

It's called satire.

 

[Erogenous Zones]

It's called satire.

not particularly constructive though, is it?
Satire would usually be used to unveil the absurdity of the opponent's point of view.

 

[Joe Spivey]

not particularly constructive though, is it?
Satire would usually be used to unveil the absurdity of the opponent's point of view.

Mmmmm, no. I got the satire and the absurdity it represents. So I actually think it was a well put and relevant post that expresses the point with a wry smile.

 

[telperion]

Mmmmm, no. I got the satire and the absurdity it represents. So I actually think it was a well put and relevant post that expresses the point with a wry smile.

I entirely agree. It was a great satirical comment about an absurd proposition put forward by those that think forcing others into their play style is somehow fair.

This whole argument seems ludicrous to me. If ED was a single shard world where you definitely have an overall effect on the entire population then it wouldn't be. But seeing how it's heavily instanced even in open the whole argument is entirely flawed.

Great post Jockey69!

 

[Erogenous Zones]

Mmmmm, no. I got the satire and the absurdity it represents. So I actually think it was a well put and relevant post that expresses the point with a wry smile.

well, im glad your morning has been enriched with such humour. I'm afraid it seems a little too high-brow for my tastes.

 

[Sir.Tj]

Ok time to get back on topic folks.

 

[Dave1235]

not particularly constructive though, is it?
Satire would usually be used to unveil the absurdity of the opponent's point of view.

Does it quite well IMHO.

 

[fademist]

Ok time to get back on topic folks.

we r out of topic ages ago LOL ;p

 

[Riktar]

As I mentioned earlier, I believe choice and consequence to be the basic idea behind Open gameplay, and right now FD has to deal with two issues to make that happen:

1. Consequences are too weak.
2. Rampant gaming of the system.

These 2 points are agreed on by both sides of this argument for completely different reasons:

PVP'ers think others are "gaming" the system by switching back and forth between modes to avoid "consequences" of their actions.

Non PVP'ers think others are "gaming" the system by paying off paltry fines to avoid "consequences" of their actions.

No matter how long this thread continues this debate will rage on unless Frontier finds a way to resolve the problem of:

You can please some of the people all of the time,
You can please all of the people some of the time,
But pleasing all of the people all of the time?

That's the trick of the century.