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[InMemoriamSirocco]

You sharing galaxy - 400 blns of systems with 5000 players..... And gaining weapons for low IQ NPC ships (when cobra is totally enought). Sorry, but it have no sense to me (but ok - You like it).
You loosing enjoing of flying with high populated systems, meeting other commanders, sharing ideas between them.

How exactly is sharing 400 billion stars with 5000 people any different than sharing it with 300 000 people? Both experiences are essentially the same. I only meet players around activity hubs. Community goals, starting areas and rare trade routes.

I am not losing out on anything - would you kindly stop making assumptions about my gameplay experience? It is getting kind of embarrassing how little of a clue you obviously have.

I met in OpenPlay many excellent and friendly people.

How good for you, I'm so glad you are having such a blast! Guess what? I did, too! I also encountered PKers, griefers, gankers, exploiters and hackers who loved decimating my ingame bank account. Didn't quite enjoy that as much... so I decided to do the right thing and go elsewhere. Only I didn't mean "elsewhere" as in "a different set of systems", but in the sense of "somewhere they cannot follow me".

There is no fear man.

Exactly. Because I decided to eliminate it from my gameplay experience. And I am a woman, just FYI.

You want to fly with friends - of course - bring them to open.

No. I don't want to.

You will get a Wing and you will feel more safe... however i am flying alone in most and i am feel safe in ED space.

Well, I don't. And I have been given good reason not to.

Try to look at my point of view. I do not talking about PvP. I am talking about flying in populated galaxy, meeting people, having fun.

Yeah, right. Having fun killing them. I don't trust you. Wanna know why? Because of this argument you made:

PvE groups completely distort the sense of game because you are not forced to watch your back for some pirate players.

You are clearly pro-player-piracy. You just want more people to shoot at. You are not fooling me. I'm not gonna let you make a scratch in my shiny Clipper.

 

[Kyokushin]

How exactly is sharing 400 billion stars with 5000 people any different than sharing it with 300 000 people? Both experiences are essentially the same. I only meet players around activity hubs. Community goals, starting areas and rare trade routes.

I am not losing out on anything - would you kindly stop making assumptions about my gameplay experience? It is getting kind of embarrassing how little of a clue you obviously have.



How good for you, I'm so glad you are having such a blast! Guess what? I did, too! I also encountered PKers, griefers, gankers, exploiters and hackers who loved decimating my ingame bank account. Didn't quite enjoy that as much... so I decided to do the right thing and go elsewhere. Only I didn't mean "elsewhere" as in "a different set of systems", but in the sense of "somewhere they cannot follow me".



Exactly. Because I decided to eliminate it from my gameplay experience. And I am a woman, just FYI.



No. I don't want to.



Well, I don't. And I have been given good reason not to.



Yeah, right. Having fun killing them. I don't trust you. Wanna know why? Because of this argument you made:



You are clearly pro-player-piracy. You just want more people to shoot at. You are not fooling me. I'm not gonna let you make a scratch in my shiny Clipper.

A difference in sharing galaxy with 200 000 and 5000 people is pretty much. About 40 times You can met four people or nobody.
It is a very big difference for me.
i do not know how many players is online, but i think many of peoples in groups still playing in open, so this this difference will be larger.

i am pro-piracy? you do not know me
Hmm... if i will be pro piracy i should fly a cobra, because there is no possibility to earn more credits from piracy for better ship And as i wrote in first post i have L9 and a few other expensive ships, so You think i earned for them by piracy or by something else ? Bounty hunting? probably not? Mining - rather not... maybe trading ?
Have you ever saw pro-piracy trader?

If you fear to fly alone in Open - no problem - i am inviting you to my Wing and i assure - nobody will shot You. I will take my shiny Clipper too

 

[gmiddlemass]

totally agree ! you should not be allowed to play in open with a ship you gained though solo/private play. Just make it so you have 2 slots. one for open and one for solo/private. or just make the game only open play? as you say, the game is big, if you dont like other players, just jump 200'ish LY away from the main hub, chances of finding players or griefers there are slim..

Why would the type of ship another player has affect you?

If they gained that ship in solo or PVE then you could assume that they simply do not like the PVP style of game play and will also keep themselves to themselves on the occasions when they do play in open. Surely it will only affect you directly if you choose to attack someone and even then how can you make assumptions as to how they gained their ship?

If a player has more free time than me and has been playing longer than I have I would assume that they have more credits and probably a bigger ship than me and will probably be a better pilot too. It is wrong to simply assume that they gained their ship/cash by playing in solo or PVE, and to be honest it just sounds like jealousy or that you've picked on the wrong player in PVP combat and been taught a lesson.

 

[Yaffle]

While discussing PvE in here is fine, please leave the Open vs Solo for the threadnaught - https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=90583

 

[Loetmichel]

I have reading about PvE groups.
I understand somebody do not want play with others, but i think the main sense of game is share the galaxy together.
PvE groups completely distort the sense of game because you are not forced to watch your back for some pirate players. You do not flying with friends, you not gaining money for better ship or weapons.

However, in my ED career i was interdicted only three times by other player since 07.2014. Space is big and possibility of being interdicted or killed by other player is small...
In two cases i safety run in my L9 in other case i turned pirates into a dust with my Clipper.

Of course there is very small group of griefers, but galaxy is so big... if you have poor ship, you are poor fighter so why you are so stupborn and flying at place where they are? Go somewhere else. There is 400mln star systems and if you change your location they will not have to do... or get friends and show them who is the wolf in the galaxy (or just let me know - i take friends and we will help you, but not go to pve or solo = you will loose a lot of fun.. there are also ED Police groups with skilled guys who defend for fun other players)

Open play is NOT PvP
... but require a little thinking when You playing

OK - somebody can say he do not care about multiplayer - no problem.


I think there should be different commander slot for PvE and Solo play and Open Play.

Players who playing, trading in a 'safe' pve or solo should not be able to play on open on same commander.
It is not fair to players who play in open, populating galaxy for good gameplay of all community and taking a litte risk with that.

Hmm, seems to me that the griefers/gankers/whatever you call the idiots are loosing any easy targets...
Kind of weak to shout "if you are in open, you are willing to get killed!!!!!1111", and then when the people disappear into solo/private
whining about "nobody there to gank" ... even shizophrenic if you ask me.

So as i look at it: self inflicted pain there, nothing to be whining about.


just my two cents, off to grin about a bit over those silly people

 

[optiplex]

However, in my ED career i was interdicted only three times by other player since 07.2014. .

Lucky you. I was attacked far more than that and most of the time there was no conversation between me and the attacker they just went for it hoping to have an easy kill. I have not played in open for 2 months now and have no intention of changing that .

 

[Ancipital]

I have reading about PvE groups.
I understand somebody do not want play with others, but i think the main sense of game is share the galaxy together.
PvE groups completely distort the sense of game because you are not forced to watch your back for some pirate players. You do not flying with friends, you not gaining money for better ship or weapons.

I think you might lack a basic understanding of the game's heritage and design.

 

[Kyokushin]

Why? Explain your mind. If you trying to tell somebody he is wrong you need to bring some arguments.

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Lucky you. I was attacked far more than that and most of the time there was no conversation between me and the attacker they just went for it hoping to have an easy kill. I have not played in open for 2 months now and have no intention of changing that .

Then do no talk, but run.
Talking with enemy is giving a time to kill you
Nobody is interdicting you to talk. Do you think he want to look Your shiny ship and tell 'what beautiful'? He can talk in supercruise. If somebody interdicting You, you always can avoid it, or submit interdiction then quickly run, without talking.
Or you can submit interdiction and beat him. If you are interdicte many times and it boring you - you always can change your trading route - there is 400 blns other trading systems And it will change something in monotony.
To be serious - there is no need to go away to pve groups. Open is pve and allow interaction between players.

Although i think some security in game mechanics should change. Players should not be able to kill other players or interdict without any punishmenet as now.
As i wrote in other topic, security systems in secure systems should works better.

 

[R.Tekener Cs.Smiler]

open = 32 Players, I know many "Pirates" play with friends in the same Instance. That is not "open" play, only a PK... pirates group with some random victims.
If someone really want an open game, than no option to invite anybody and so only 100% random folks in one instance.
I`m sure nobody want it. Every option to play with friends is a group/private function.
But possible FD can disable PvP in open, who want kill other players can than play with other PK in private instance and kill each other.
Problem solved

 

[hitchhiker54]

ED is not EVE, and there has never been a desire to force people into an environment where they can encounter non-consensual pvp (which is what forcing people into open play to group up would entail). If you want to gank noobs and force pvp on people, go grab an eve sub, you'll love it, or more likely, get constantly killed by people with the same mindset but more experience and resources

 

[carlisle]

Why? Explain your mind. If you trying to tell somebody he is wrong you need to bring some arguments.

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Then do no talk, but run.
Talking with enemy is giving a time to kill you
Nobody is interdicting you to talk. Do you think he want to look Your shiny ship and tell 'what beautiful'? He can talk in supercruise. If somebody interdicting You, you always can avoid it, or submit interdiction then quickly run, without talking.
Or you can submit interdiction and beat him. If you are interdicte many times and it boring you - you always can change your trading route - there is 400 blns other trading systems And it will change something in monotony.
To be serious - there is no need to go away to pve groups. Open is pve and allow interaction between players.

Although i think some security in game mechanics should change. Players should not be able to kill other players or interdict without any punishmenet as now.
As i wrote in other topic, security systems in secure systems should works better.

You seem to be at great pains to get across about how open mode isn't this PvP gankfest... and while I would agree I haven't had any issues playing in open either some of the people who have decided to play in solo or in a PvE group have had issues, or have decided they don't want to find out. They maybe didn't find watching their back enjoyable, or just didn't like some people's attitude, and are therefore happier in the mode they're in than they would be in open, so why not just leave them be?

Making people start a new commander should they want to give open a try isn't going to encourage anyone to try it out, and letting people who want to play solo or in a PvE group do so without penalising them isn't hurting anyone else's game.

 

[InMemoriamSirocco]

Every time I see a hollow icon on my scanner, I target, open a frequence and greet.

Since December, I have encountered dozens of CMDRs.

Five of them have become my friends via friend requests.

Most of them never answered when I greeted. That's the vast majority.

One time, another CMDR crashed into my ship from behind as I carefully led it through the docking slot. When I asked what that was all about, he didn't apologize, instead he blamed me for going too slow. If it had been a car accident in real life, he would have been the guilty party, yet his attitude was "Lol noob lrn2play".

I made a trip to Eravate once to greet some newcomer CMDRs in Sidewinders with a palladium welcome gift. It was a sobering experience. The few people who even answered my greetings said they had more important things to do like running a mission or completing a trade run. I offered free palladium for newcomers and nobody even wanted to have some.

I was pirated by only one gentleman pirate who roleplayed very nicely. After that, I only got ganked by blood thirsty PVPers - and oneshotted by what I can only presume to have been a hacker one time.

I shared a trade route with one of my friends back when sharing trade routes was still possible without ruining them. Then FD decided to wreck the trade system and force us all to play in a "everyone for himself" environment, and in order to make a profit, I had to abandon that route. Never seen my friend again in game. He chats with me from time to time, though.

I took part in the Tenche Luxury run back when that kind of trade run was still working. I participated in open mode until some genius triggered my point defence to fire in the direction of the station I was approaching. After that, I stayed in solo, as I was not yet a member of Mobius.

Fortunately, now I am. And nobody is going to talk me back into open mode. If I had an infinite shields hack, maybe... but I never cheat.

 

[DaggerSnake]

You mention PvE groups. I know Möbius has a huge following of people who want to be social, but not hunt each other. Surely there are role play groups out there that are all about playing space cops-n-robbers with pvp piracy and bounty hunting in the spirit of the game? If not, it's time to start one.

 

[MacDuff]

I agree with Kyokushin. Open play is not PVP and the universe is a big place. you just need to learn to adapt and find a spot that works for you. I have played open play since release and have been killed by a another player once. In that instance I tried to avoid interdiction and then tried to run when he asked for 50% of my cargo I failed he and he won no big deal and all part of the game. It makes me be a little more careful what I carry and where I go. I can still trade successfully and do well but the game has an extra edge / challenge that I enjoy.

 

[cpy]

Mobius for life! Screw open play
I'm in it for PVE.
Shoutout to my Mobius homies!

 

[cpy]

I remember starting in open, and then i found out about Mobius, i was never interdicted by player once! Love this group.

 

[Kyokushin]

open = 32 Players, I know many "Pirates" play with friends in the same Instance. That is not "open" play, only a PK... pirates group with some random victims.
If someone really want an open game, than no option to invite anybody and so only 100% random folks in one instance.
I`m sure nobody want it. Every option to play with friends is a group/private function.
But possible FD can disable PvP in open, who want kill other players can than play with other PK in private instance and kill each other.
Problem solved

What is a difference in being killed by NPC or a player?
Maybe they should disable a possibility to die in game? Maybe they should make a big space engine and everybody wil be a big happy space family?

As i wrote many times. Elite is DANGEROUS.

Have you ever seen in this game an instance with fully 32 player? When, where? I will go there.
In last trading community goal i was flying in Yembo... to shoot a grieferes, players with Wanted status. And you know what? There was a many players but nobody interdicted me
This is your theory about evil universe, evil players.

Why you all are so scared in playing in open? In group play you also can die.. by NPC or maybe other player
I seriously do not know where problem is, i safely grinded for a few expensive ships and i am still alive

 

[Cmdr Andy B]

the difference between being killed by NPC or a player is predictability. NPC's play by the rules they are programmed with, human players make their own rules and sometimes that doesn't fit with a lot of peoples idea of an enjoyable experience.

 

[Kyokushin]

Only one difference at now is the players are playing better in most cases from NPC.
I have hope it will change and NPC will be seriously deadly. NPC really need much better AI.
Killing a NPC Elite Anaconda by one Sidewinder or Eagle is completely nonsens.
However nobody is forced to fight with players, when game offers easy possibility to run away.

Best thing in topic is than we talkin about pvp and fighting.
Openplay is NOT pvp. You may encounter pvp but a possibility of that is seriously low. I do not know why people are so scared.
OK if somebody want only pve - he should play on other commander slot.
I safely grinded 15 mlns yesterday on Open. I was interdicted 2 times... by NPC. I met about 10 players on route.

Tomorrow Wings will go at beta, and in the next week everybody will get this expansion. What is the problem to make trading or exploring Wings if you feel scared?
Trading wing builded from two Pythons, one L9 and one Clipper will be seriously deadly. Griefers in Vipers or Cobras will not try to touch you.....
... and you can always ask for a Bounty Hunter friend for an escort - he will have a lot of fun by flying with You.... and You will a richer gameplay.

 

[Joe Spivey]

Shouldn't this have been merged into the black hole by now?