Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread [See new thread]

[Distance]

The thing is - every player has the freedom to do exactly that - if they choose to min/max in Solo / Private Groups then that's up to them, regardless of how frustrating it is to players who refuse to leave open.

That is not to say that it makes for a fulfilling multi-player gaming experience with players avoiding each other in different modes rather than trying to avoid each other in open play, just that if Frontier want to improve the dynamic in Open then they'll have to find a palatable way to entice players into open.

I know and I agree but for some reason solo/group players are dead against any "bonuses" for playing in open even though they scream out time and time again that they don't want interaction with other players and it doesn't affect them.

For open players this sucks though as they are the ones being forced in to game modes they don't want to play just to be able to compete in a meaningful way be that via cr or influence towards a goal.

Right now the current system isn't a case of "everyone has a choice and all choices are equal" it's a case of "if you want to be able to compete go to solo or group" which isn't fair or equal.

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Thats the way you think it is, don't confuse opinions with Facts. You could be right, but since we lack the facts you could also be wrong.

And that really is something you need to accept, the possability of being wrong. I know I can be wrong, how about you?

I know I can be wrong but my experiences in pretty much every community goal in open proves otherwise. How many community goals have you done in open?

 

[Peteman]

Having just been shot down by 1 idiot for no reason than they wanted Onion head (which I wasn't even carrying) I'm done with Open Play. Over a million credits lost because of someone who couldn't play the game. Attacking NPCs is one thing, but another player "just because" is not my idea of fun. That's hours of my life wasted because of one idiot. I'm going Solo now. Thank you very much <Please don't name and shame> - you've ruined this game and I hope your ships is destroyed and your game corrupts.

 

[Robert Maynard]

I know and I agree but for some reason solo/group players are dead against any "bonuses" for playing in open even though they scream out time and time again that they don't want interaction with other players and it doesn't affect them.

For open players this sucks though as they are the ones being forced in to game modes they don't want to play just to be able to compete in a meaningful way be that via cr or influence towards a goal.

Right now the current system isn't a case of "everyone has a choice and all choices are equal" it's a case of "if you want to be able to compete go to solo or group" which isn't fair or equal.

Solo / Private Group players probably express antipathy to any proposed enhancement to open-play rewards for a similar reason - they don't want to be forced to play in a game mode that they don't like.

It's perfectly fair, if unsatisfying - all players can choose to play in whichever mode they want to on a session by session basis. If players choose to restrict themselves then that is their choice alone.

Again, it probably does not make for the multi-player gaming experience sought by many.

 

[Distance]

Having just been shot down by 1 idiot for no reason than they wanted Onion head (which I wasn't even carrying) I'm done with Open Play. Over a million credits lost because of someone who couldn't play the game. Attacking NPCs is one thing, but another player "just because" is not my idea of fun. That's hours of my life wasted because of one idiot. I'm going Solo now. Thank you very much <Please don't name and shame> - you've ruined this game and I hope your ships is destroyed and your game corrupts.

Did they ask you to stop? Did you stop and let them scan you? Not all pirates kill for no reason.

 

[Bomba Luigi]

I know I can be wrong but my experiences in pretty much every community goal in open proves otherwise. How many community goals have you done in open?

See, this again. your experience is from a very limited view, theres no way you can know what all the other players are doing. You have without a doubt more CG experience then I have, but you lack the facts just as I do.

 

[Olrik]

Everyone here will agree that npcs aren't as dangerous as human pilots shooting ya down.

Well, everyone here will agree that npcs don't use unlimited shields and other cheats...

Solo / Private Group players probably express antipathy to any proposed enhancement to open-play rewards for a similar reason - they don't want to be forced to play in a game mode that they don't like

Obviously, read above

 

[Peteman]

No - I was interdicted and shot at. There was something about renoucning my affliation, but I wasn't aware I was affliated with anyone! Maybe Federation, as I have a rank, but I don't know if that counts. I don't even know how to renouce one!

 

[Distance]

Solo / Private Group players probably express antipathy to any proposed enhancement to open-play rewards for a similar reason - they don't want to be forced to play in a game mode that they don't like.

It's perfectly fair, if unsatisfying - all players can choose to play in whichever mode they want to on a session by session basis. If players choose to restrict themselves then that is their choice alone.

Again, it probably does not make for the multi-player gaming experience sought by many.

That's the thing though they already have the benefit of increased rewards and adding a "reward" to some open activities wouldn't really be a reward but a way of evening out the risk to create more equality between the modes.

The other difference is most solo/group players have no interest in playing with other people so they wouldn't be "forced in to open" anyway.

As Sandro says in his griefing post :

If players are going to live in private groups, well, that suggests that if we had a single environment they would be playing offline or not at all, so they aren't part of the equation.

 

[Globusdiablo]

Having just been shot down by 1 idiot for no reason than they wanted Onion head (which I wasn't even carrying) I'm done with Open Play. Over a million credits lost because of someone who couldn't play the game. Attacking NPCs is one thing, but another player "just because" is not my idea of fun. That's hours of my life wasted because of one idiot. I'm going Solo now. Thank you very much <Please don't name and shame> - you've ruined this game and I hope your ships is destroyed and your game corrupts.

That's how Open works.

Feel free to join the Mobius PvE group at:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=38362&p=720344&viewfull=1#post720344

Only 7300 friendly commanders though...

 

[Distance]

See, this again. your experience is from a very limited view, theres no way you can know what all the other players are doing. You have without a doubt more CG experience then I have, but you lack the facts just as I do.

That's the thing though, I read the threads and talk to a lot of players in open and if the general consensus of players in community goals is "it's easier in solo/group" that stands for something. You can cry statistics all you want but from the majority of players experiences it's easier in solo/group.

Also a lot of the time even if FD have the numbers they don't have the experience and play time of the players actively playing their game. This is why the official forums aren't always a good way to gauge player opinions as this forum is dedicated to more solo/group players and reddit for example has the majority of the pvp/open community. There's a lot you can't talk about on these forums so if you're just on here and playing in solo you're not seeing half of what the average player sees in regards to things like exploits and combat logging.

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Well, everyone here will agree that npcs don't use unlimited shields and other cheats.

The majority of players using hacks are actually playing in solo, afk farming or disgruntled offliner people who think they are sticking it to fd as a protest.

 

[Globusdiablo]

...The majority of players using hacks are actually playing in solo, afk farming or disgruntled offliner people who think they are sticking it to fd as a protest.

If I were you I would moderate my "general observations" on how others play. You are undermining your own credibility. I usually enjoy reading your posts, but they seem to be becoming more and more erratic? Settle down and stop throwing things at others. I know. I've had to...

 

[signal11th]

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The majority of players using hacks are actually playing in solo, afk farming or disgruntled offliner people who think they are sticking it to fd as a protest.

Nope I play in solo because I've never had any interest in the open side, nothing to do with using hacks, being disgruntled, never had any intention of ever playing in open or ever will and it's the one thing that annoys me about the game is that the solo side is indirectly/directly being affected by the open side.

 

[Daffan]

Prepare for your solo overlords when your chosen Power the top contributors are the solo farmers just like in the Combat community goals, except instead of 5% top reward they'l be telling your power what to do

xD

 

[Distance]

If I were you I would moderate my "general observations" on how others play. You are undermining your own credibility. I usually enjoy reading your posts, but they seem to be becoming more and more erratic? Settle down and stop throwing things at others. I know. I've had to...

It's not really a general observation it's from reading all the hacking threads that I've been following since reporting them to fd. Most of the stories of hackers in open are related to game bugs or lag rather than hacking and from the hacking threads the people who are actively working on them are primarily people who were annoyed at the lack of offline mode.

After now seeing your signature I can see how you might have thought that my previous post was aimed at you in that way but it wasn't.

I wasn't even attempting to make an insinuation that solo players are hackers. I was merely commenting on your insinuation that open players use shield hacks when the npcs don't.

 

[Olrik]

The majority of players using hacks are actually playing in solo

Hmm, that remains to be proved. Anyway, it's irrelevant, they don't hurt anybody else.

 

[Lestenio]

It isn't that simple, it does all boil down to the rewards players get. I was number 1 in one of the trade community goals and 3 of the other top 5 players were all in open with me. The only reason why we managed to hit the top 5 was because the rewards at the other trading goal were more lucrative so there were more players doing that in solo for the money.

We also failed the community goal due to more players going where the money was.

Surely then if solo and open had different goals you will have still failed but failed by a bigger margin without solo players contributing to the goal?

 

[Distance]

Hmm, that remains to be proved. Anyway, it's irrelevant, they don't hurt anybody else.

Really?

They play in solo so they can leave their ships over night in a combat zone to make money without a player stumbling in and killing or reporting them.

Players jumping 3000ly in one jump claiming systems as "explored by" not harming the legit explorers who take weeks to get out in to the unknown not hurting anyone else?

I'm sorry but this is a very naive view of what's acceptable in an online game that players from all groups can influence. If you don't believe the majority of them are solo players go google the 143 page thread on a different forum that proves you wrong.

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Surely then if solo and open had different goals you will have still failed but failed by a bigger margin without solo players contributing to the goal?

No. I'm proposing that some goals should be mode specific not all mind you but fd should atleast run some open only goals as a test and see what people think.

Any "blockade" style goal is doomed to failure by mode switching. Sure there's going to be instancing differences for all players but if such a goal was run in open only I'm sure you'd see a big difference in outcome.

 

[Globusdiablo]

It's not really a general observation it's from reading all the hacking threads that I've been following since reporting them to fd. Most of the stories of hackers in open are related to game bugs or lag rather than hacking and from the hacking threads the people who are actively working on them are primarily people who were annoyed at the lack of offline mode.

After now seeing your signature I can see how you might have thought that my previous post was aimed at you in that way but it wasn't.

I wasn't even attempting to make an insinuation that solo players are hackers. I was merely commenting on your insinuation that open players use shield hacks when the npcs don't.

You and I have been around long enough, to know that this isn't the first time you've seen my signature. If I had an agenda other than reminding FD of their epic blunder, I wouldn't have that sig. You're smart enough not to bias my comments based on my sig. It's just a sig.

Anywho. My comment to you was merely that I enjoy your posts much more when you stay on target.

Fly safe Commander.

 

[YoBuck]

It's not really a general observation it's from reading all the hacking threads that I've been following since reporting them to fd. Most of the stories of hackers in open are related to game bugs or lag rather than hacking and from the hacking threads the people who are actively working on them are primarily people who were annoyed at the lack of offline mode.

Calling here. A quote further up you are saying it goes on more in solo than open. That's rubbish and you know it.
Wasn't afk farming fixed about a month ago anyway?

To say hacks are being written by disgruntled solo players would be an absolute first in any game. If you know anything about the game haxor community you will find they are primarily multiplayers not single players.

Also: not directed at you but let's not forget that a good minority traded there way to good ships in solo before trying to god mode smaller ships in open. and then say how unfair solo is haha.

 

[Olrik]

They play in solo so they can leave their ships over night in a combat zone to make money

Please elaborate..I don't get it.

Players jumping 3000ly in one jump claiming systems

Isnt that possible in the open game?

If you don't believe the majority of them are solo players

It seems to me that the use of unlimited shields (and other combat hacks and cheats) is prevalent in the open universe.
I have been playing since the first alpha release...
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Btw,

...if you are with other players (cheaters) to defend you and help you out, then you will be able to farm a lot more effectively

https://www.google.pt/url?sa=t&rct=...gYHoCg&usg=AFQjCNH5EXIxG7KkLi8qFW-aUt7Np1_Y_Q