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Calling here. A quote further up you are saying it goes on more in solo than open. That's rubbish and you know it.
Wasn't afk farming fixed about a month ago anyway?

To say hacks are being written by disgruntled solo players would be an absolute first in any game. If you know anything about the game haxor community you will find they are primarily multiplayers not single players.

Also: not directed at you but let's not forget that a good minority traded there way to good ships in solo before trying to god mode smaller ships in open. and then say how unfair solo is haha.

I think you're mis-informed. All the hacks are still currently working. The afk farming fix was for normal players sitting next to a cap ship doing it. Hackers have enhanced shields, extra damage and a built in logoff if their shields do go down. They then just leave a ship in any combat zone and farm kills. Regards to the players making the hacks being primarily offline or solo players, go find the thread for yourself and you'll see everything I'm saying is true.

I'm not one for wild accusations. I've never said all solo players are hackers but in the case of ED most hackers are solo players, for now anyway as I'm sure they'll soon be moving to open with their maxed out ships. A large portion of them don't have any interest in open and are just hacking the game because they want to. They regard new updates as "content" as they have fun cracking the new implementations fd put in place to stop them.

I have no sympathy for players who traded up in solo and then complain about it.
 
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Well, I'm done now. I am not continuing with a game that plays only to the open/pvp game play and leave solo players floundering.

The latest 1.3 patch was aimed more at open and PVP players, solo players got another two ships once more. The drones that would have helped miners has been offset by more NPC pirate attacks on miners so you'll be spending most of your time fighting off NPC's with a gimped ship and little or no time mining. Even the addition of NPC wingmen that many have asked for would have helped you defend yourself against NPC pirates while you mined or did other things. You may as well go bounty hunting instead of mining because that's what you'll be doing anyway. IMO, it's just another patch to cater for open play users while to solo players get left out AGAIN.

I will be recommending to my friends that they wait until SC comes out because this game would no more suit them than it does me, none of them are interested in playing Elite in open, they would play solo too. Like me, they wanted Elite to be a single player offline game and only got interested because it was promised that we would get an offline mode. One friend wanted to play it but can't because he has no internet at home and can't afford the monthly cost for it but even he said he wouldn't have played it in open anyway.

So I'll be seeing you guys around. Say hi if you see me in SC because I'm gone from here now.
 
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It seems to me that the use of unlimited shields (and other combat hacks and cheats) is prevalent in the open universe.
I have been playing since the first alpha release...

Not to me, I've played in open since beta. Players in open have adopted the current meta of a ton of shield boosters and shield cells. Due to lag a ship can look like it has no shields and then they come back but that's due to bad instancing when a player uses a shield cell.

You can fit an anaconda with enough shield boosters that it's got 4 times more shields than a maxed python.
 
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Hi Tryst,

I hope that 1.3 improves solo, PVE and open. I do not see how the mechanisms are open only. It is true it adds a new way to attack other payers and NPCs outside of a conflict zome without getting a bounty.
I do not see anything in the mechanics that are advertised that is open only, it looks like it enhances all modes of play.

Simon

Well, I'm done now. I am not continuing with a game that plays only to the open/pvp game play and leave solo players floundering.

The latest 1.3 patch was aimed more at open and PVP players, solo players got another two ships once more. The drones that would have helped miners has been offset by more NPC pirate attacks on miners so you'll be spending most of your time fighting off NPC's with a gimped ship and little or no time mining. Even the addition of NPC wingmen that many have asked for would have helped you defend yourself against NPC pirates while you mined or did other things. You may as well go bounty hunting instead of mining because that's what you'll be doing anyway. IMO, it's just another patch to cater for open play users while to solo players get left out AGAIN.

I will be recommending to my friends that they wait until SC comes out because this game would no more suit them than it does me, none of them are interested in playing Elite in open, they would play solo too. Like me, they wanted Elite to be a single player offline game and only got interested because it was promised that we would get an offline mode. One friend wanted to play it but can't because he has no internet at home and can't afford the monthly cost for it but even he said he wouldn't have played it in open anyway.
 
I think you're mis-informed. All the hacks are still currently working. The afk farming fix was for normal players sitting next to a cap ship doing it. Hackers have enhanced shields, extra damage and a built in logoff if their shields do go down. They then just leave a ship in any combat zone and farm kills. Regards to the players making the hacks being primarily offline orsolo players, go find the thread for yourself and you'll see everything I'm saying is true.

I'm not one for wild accusations. I've never said all solo players are hackers but in the case of ED most hackers are solo players, for now anyway as I'm sure they'll soon be moving to open with their maxed out ships. A large portion of them don't have any interest in open and are just hacking the game because they want to. They regard new updates as "content" as they have fun cracking the new implementations fd put in place to stop them.

I have no sympathy for players who traded up in solo and then complain about it.

Is the thread about ED hacks?
I've reaserched a bit myself regarding console game hackers and these are primetilt multiplayer groups. Admittedly I'm new to pc but you could argue the multi/single player mentality is the same no matter the hardware.

Also I might add the annoying hacks are 10x more annoying in open. I don't care if people want to God mode for credits in solo, it's their game to brake.
It's wings regening shields etc in open that's the pain. Admittedly it's a game mechanic but that's beside the point.

It's like saying pvp groups are hampered by group solo. But group solo players are hampered by pvp "cheats".
 
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If powerplay is about bringing players into competition and cooperation with each other by giving them an opportunity to take sides - surely if a solo player joins one of these factions regardless of their solo status, they should become visible to opposing factions and colleagues in their own faction? What motivation could there be to enter into a competitive game mode but yet remain invisible to other players you are competing/cooperating with?
 
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Is the thread about ED hacks?
I've reaserched a bit myself regarding console game hackers and these are primetilt multiplayer groups. Admittedly I'm new to pc but you could argue the multi/single player mentality is the same no matter the hardware.

Yes but Ed and the official forum has more of a bias towards solo/pve players due to the legacy of the game.
 
in the case of ED most hackers are solo players, for now anyway as I'm sure they'll soon be moving to open with their maxed out ships..A large portion of them don't have any interest in open
Those players are not true solo players...that's the point. And I repeat - for obvious reasons, combat hacks are more prevalent in the open,multiplayer universe.
 
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They are not true solo players...that's the point. And I repeat - for obvious reasons, combat hacks are more prevalent in the open,multiplayer universe.

That's the point they're not because they're so easily detectable. Everyone runs shadow play these days and the majority of pvp players will spot a hack a mile off. The biggest problem in open is combat logging not hacking. The hysteria over hacking in open is because everyone knows they're widely available. If you go check the trhead out you'll find most are used in solo. Go read it and then come back and discuss it.
 
That's the point they're not because they're so easily detectable. Everyone runs shadow play these days and the majority of pvp players will spot a hack a mile off. The biggest problem in open is combat logging not hacking. The hysteria over hacking in open is because everyone knows they're widely available. If you go check the trhead out you'll find most are used in solo. Go read it and then come back and discuss it.

The only reason folks would cheat in solo is for an incentive in open. Which is why the modes need to be separate. It'll kill the game because the ease of hopping between modes would be eliminated, but at least PvE players would be free of the nth PvP pollution in video games.
 

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The only reason folks would cheat in solo is for an incentive in open. Which is why the modes need to be separate. It'll kill the game because the ease of hopping between modes would be eliminated, but at least PvE players would be free of the nth PvP pollution in video games.

I'd rather that cheaters were dealt with swiftly and effectively than the game features were messed about with as a sticking plaster - Solo affects Open as they share the same background simulation, so stopping players mode switching would only deal with part of the problem (and likely enrage a significant portion of the player-base).
 
Well, I'm done now. I am not continuing with a game that plays only to the open/pvp game play and leave solo players floundering.

The latest 1.3 patch was aimed more at open and PVP players, solo players got another two ships once more. The drones that would have helped miners has been offset by more NPC pirate attacks on miners so you'll be spending most of your time fighting off NPC's with a gimped ship and little or no time mining. Even the addition of NPC wingmen that many have asked for would have helped you defend yourself against NPC pirates while you mined or did other things. You may as well go bounty hunting instead of mining because that's what you'll be doing anyway. IMO, it's just another patch to cater for open play users while to solo players get left out AGAIN.

I will be recommending to my friends that they wait until SC comes out because this game would no more suit them than it does me, none of them are interested in playing Elite in open, they would play solo too. Like me, they wanted Elite to be a single player offline game and only got interested because it was promised that we would get an offline mode. One friend wanted to play it but can't because he has no internet at home and can't afford the monthly cost for it but even he said he wouldn't have played it in open anyway.

So I'll be seeing you guys around. Say hi if you see me in SC because I'm gone from here now.

What a poor attitude to have towards a game designed for MANY people. Lots of the content will still be available to Solo players, I have no idea why you would get so upset because the dev team created some updates around the community. To say solo players are "left out" is a joke, given that there are entire game modes and goals created for them. Is it not ironic though, given the whole purpose of being a "lone world" solo hound is to be left out. Are you denied access to the ships? Are you not going to be able to take part in Powerplay? Or use the drones? I also find it laughable how you make a threat to "recommend to your friends" to play Star Citizen. Because I am sure THAT game will cater to your every whim and never upset you once. I am sure it will have LOADS of Solo content LOL, and not cater AT ALL to online gamers. As for you and your friends wanting Elite to be "single player offline game", well it was never going to be one from the start, and would ALWAYS have included online content. Your complaint is invalid to say the least. It is not just about you. There are other people who play Elite.
 
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Well, I'm done now. I am not continuing with a game that plays only to the open/pvp game play and leave solo players floundering.

The latest 1.3 patch was aimed more at open and PVP players, solo players got another two ships once more. The drones that would have helped miners has been offset by more NPC pirate attacks on miners so you'll be spending most of your time fighting off NPC's with a gimped ship and little or no time mining. Even the addition of NPC wingmen that many have asked for would have helped you defend yourself against NPC pirates while you mined or did other things. You may as well go bounty hunting instead of mining because that's what you'll be doing anyway. IMO, it's just another patch to cater for open play users while to solo players get left out AGAIN.

I will be recommending to my friends that they wait until SC comes out because this game would no more suit them than it does me, none of them are interested in playing Elite in open, they would play solo too. Like me, they wanted Elite to be a single player offline game and only got interested because it was promised that we would get an offline mode. One friend wanted to play it but can't because he has no internet at home and can't afford the monthly cost for it but even he said he wouldn't have played it in open anyway.

So I'll be seeing you guys around. Say hi if you see me in SC because I'm gone from here now.
I think you missunderstand Powerplay, all the content from 1.3 is available in all Modes, there is no open-only content. All it does is putting some more stuff in the Game for everybody regarding which mode you play.

And since it is a free update I really, really suggest you may play it first bevor leaving. What can it hurt to try out?
 
I may have read the wrong newsletter because I didn't interpret anything as player competition. I thought Powerplay was a way for players to take the side of an NPC faction and follow as well as influence their fortunes and political moves. When did it suddenly become about PvP again?
 
I'd rather that cheaters were dealt with swiftly and effectively than the game features were messed about with as a sticking plaster - Solo affects Open as they share the same background simulation, so stopping players mode switching would only deal with part of the problem (and likely enrage a significant portion of the player-base).

After seeing how that sausage is made and how erroneous the data is for banning cheaters (too many false positives), I don't trust any publisher in thoroughly investigating those situations. Losing a 4 year-old WoW account due to GAME MECHANIC issues, more so especially after the real cheaters (top world raiding guilds [pro sponsored]) didn't get their bans for doing MUCH worse.

Mixing solo and open play is going to cause a host of problems. One of the worst that just makes game communities toxic is PvP and PvE imbalances. The billion dollar publishers can't even get that fixed, I doubt indies will magically fix the issues, too.

Separate wouldn't matter as Joe Schmoe trucking 32 tons of gold is only going to effect his solo instance, not Jane Doe's instance.
 

Robert Maynard

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Mixing solo and open play is going to cause a host of problems. One of the worst that just makes game communities toxic is PvP and PvE imbalances. The billion dollar publishers can't even get that fixed, I doubt indies will magically fix the issues, too.

Separate wouldn't matter as Joe Schmoe trucking 32 tons of gold is only going to effect his solo instance, not Jane Doe's instance.

The ability to switch between game modes at will has been promised to players since the beginning of the Kickstarter. Frontier have shown no indication (at all) that they would even consider changing that feature, especially given that is forms the core of "And the best part - you can do all this online with your friends, or other "Elite" pilots like yourself, or even alone. The choice is yours...". The genie's been out of the bottle with respect to this game feature that to try to bottle it now, over five months after game release, would be very, very unlikely to be met without significant displeasure from a significant portion of the player-base.
 
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