You've lost me completely, I have no idea what you are referring to here.
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You've lost me completely, I have no idea what you are referring to here.
The troll is strong in you i see. I said, pirates should be punished harder, so people grief less.
Where did I "jump you" or even reply to anything about pirates?
this ^
Solo or private is just a way to unflag for PvP when ppl choose a more relaxing experience. Freedom of choice above all.
Some days ago i formed a wing with another cmdr for a CG CZ in open. And there was no other CMDRS there. It was due to his router settings for sure cause minutes earlier and after the wing, the said CZ was super crowded.
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That's not my experience of open, where are you from and what time do you play? I'm in the uk and play in the evenings and I don't have problems finding players to pirate or wing up with.
I often fight in RES's with people I don't know, sharing the bounties. I've winged up with traders entering systems purely to get the dividends a few times too. It's quite a friendly galaxy really as long as you don't take getting attacked personally.
Last night there were at least 4 to 5 players in system with me at all times, granted i did go back to eravate to practice my piracy skillz but usually there's a ship or two about if you're anywhere near Lave, the starting systems, rare routes or CG areas.
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I think i understand why Distance gave up on even trying anymore here. You guys just don't want to understand what i'm saying. Maybe when you actually comment on what i have said a whole and not just a little 5-wrods part of my whole paragraph, we could have a discussion. As it stands,, you just don't want the game to ever be patched with anything do you ?? Just let it be like this, see how much it will survive....thanks for understanding my actual care for the game as opposed to all who say "just go play something else"
I think i understand why Distance gave up on even trying anymore here. You guys just don't want to understand what i'm saying. Maybe when you actually comment on what i have said a whole and not just a little 5-wrods part of my whole paragraph, we could have a discussion. As it stands,, you just don't want the game to ever be patched with anything do you ?? Just let it be like this, see how much it will survive....thanks for understanding my actual care for the game as opposed to all who say "just go play something else"
This is the official pvp thread on the forum (poster vs poster) and you're always outnumbered
I think i understand why Distance gave up on even trying anymore here. You guys just don't want to understand what i'm saying. Maybe when you actually comment on what i have said a whole and not just a little 5-wrods part of my whole paragraph, we could have a discussion. As it stands,, you just don't want the game to ever be patched with anything do you ?? Just let it be like this, see how much it will survive....thanks for understanding my actual care for the game as opposed to all who say "just go play something else"
Well I apologise. I've either missed some earlier post or completely misunderstood what you are trying to say. I don't know anyone who doesn't want the game to be patched but again, I must be missing something here because I didn't know we were discussing that either.
This is not even funny...(the outnumbering i mean)This is the official pvp thread on the forum (poster vs poster) and you're always outnumbered
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As I've said before if you want a proper discussion on pvp or open you need to go to reddit. People understand the failings and game mechanics a lot more and you won't be beaten down with "quit trying to change my game".
The funny thing is this latest "crime update" doesn't even address crime and the problems people have been crying out for, it's purely to stop people bounty farming and ram griefing in open (that happens at like one station) and it's going to have a bigger impact on solo players who get a weeks long bounty for a stray shot.
Meanwhile players can still kill 15mils worth of T9 and suffer a 6g bounty. Suddenly the mode locking doesn't look too bad?
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Helluva rationalization there. All you really needed to say was, more people agree with you on reddit, because that is in essence exactly what you are saying. Glad that you found a community that is more to your liking.
Not at all, read my previous posts. The official forum has a heavy bias towards solo/pve. This isn't a bad thing but the majority of threads discussing open/pvp get stomped on and taken out of context and end up here.
Reddit has a good balance of both groups of players whilst on here if you so much as mention pvp you're suddenly a griefer trying to remove solo mode
Not at all, read my previous posts. The official forum has a heavy bias towards solo/pve. This isn't a bad thing but the majority of threads discussing open/pvp get stomped on and taken out of context and end up here.
Reddit has a good balance of both groups of players whilst on here if you so much as mention pvp you're suddenly a griefer trying to remove solo mode
You put such a negative, melodramatic spin on any disagreement. People just disagree with you. We don't troll, or stomp, or beat you down or call you a griefer. We argue our POV, just as you argue yours.
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I don't envy you, D. Quixote against the Windmills.
The difference is there's more pve than pvp players on the forum so it turns out to be pointless along with the insinuation that we're trying to change other people's games
The difference is there's more pve than pvp players on the forum so it turns out to be pointless along with the insinuation that we're trying to change other people's games
It's not an insinuation, you are trying to change the game in ways that affect everyone. If we didn't state our point of view that it doesn't need changing (some of it does, mostly the modes don't) then FD might assume the lack of any opposing view to mean that everyone agrees when we don't. Most of the disagreement doesn't come from disagreeing with your ideas for fixing certain problems they come from disagreeing with the existence of a lot of those problems. It's not always about lack of understanding (which is equally prevalent on both "sides" btw) it's very often about seeing the game from a totally different perspective.
The PvP game which allows PvE versus the PvE game which allows PvP. Those are very different games with very different problems and solutions. The game is pretty much designed as the latter so those of us who see it that way don't believe it needs to be changed and those who see it as the former believe that it does. You see it primarily as a PvP game so you want to balance it in that direction. If it were primarily a PvP game then many of your ideas are very good. However, I believe that it is primarily a PvE game so I disagree with your starting premise, not necessarily your conclusions specifically.
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First, there is no definition of MMO set in stone. Depending on who you talk to, Farmville is an MMO. ED itself wasn't even marketed as a MMO at first — as you can see by browsing the game's Kickstart page — because DB didn't think it was a MMO, until other people convinced him that a highly instanced game where players could choose who they play with and allowed just a few dozen players per instance could still be called a MMO.
Second, regardless of what you find fun, given your attitude I certainly don't want to play with you. Allowing that choice to me is a great feature of the game, one of the best things Frontier ever added to it.
You are trying to redefine what multiplayer is using a far narrower definition than what is commonly accepted. Technically, multiplayer just means that there is more than one player. If hotseat multiplayer is still considered multiplayer, then ED is certainly multiplayer even in its solo mode.
If your whole proposal includes, besides higher punishment for pirates, also something to harm the solo mode — be it segregation, reducing its influence, making its rewards smaller, whatever — then of course solo players will be against your proposal.
BTW, most solo players seem to agree with higher penalties for outright killing players, and many seem to want higher consequences for even properly pirating other players (as in, pirating without killing).
The difference is there's more pve than pvp players on the forum so it turns out to be pointless along with the insinuation that we're trying to change other people's games
If a proposal has, in any shape or way:
- Mode segregation for the already existing modes, or some limitation on how often the player can switch;
- Any kind of content restriction in solo and group modes, or any kind of extra content available only in open;
- Increased rewards for playing in open, or reduced rewards for playing in solo or groups;
- Removal of either solo or group modes;
Then it is clearly an attempt to make the game worse for those that play in any mode apart from open, and will obviously attract opposition.
For my part, I can agree with changing the mechanics to make the rewards in open (and group) equivalent to those in solo, as long as the exact same mechanics and rewards apply to every mode, with no discrimination whatsoever; with making players have to effectively answer for their attacks on other players; and with creating a new mode, separate from the current three, for players that would prefer to not be able to change between open and group/solo.
Not at all I see it primarily a pve game with pvp possible.
Like I said before the latest crime updates screw over solo players and doesn't address any of the problems open play faces but it's purely open play problems that are effecting the game for everyone
Perhaps there are more pve than pvp players period? That seems to be the case in most online games. Just checked WoW for giggles, and current pop is 1.5 million on pve servers and 800k in pvp severs. Given ED's unique demographics I wouldn't be at all surprised if that discrepancy wasn't even more pronounced.The difference is there's more pve than pvp players on the forum so it turns out to be pointless along with the insinuation that we're trying to change other people's games
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Not at all, read my previous posts. The official forum has a heavy bias towards solo/pve. This isn't a bad thing but the majority of threads discussing open/pvp get stomped on and taken out of context and end up here.
Reddit has a good balance of both groups of players whilst on here if you so much as mention pvp you're suddenly a griefer trying to remove solo mode
Totally agree.
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