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fergal · May 9, 2015

This happened to me today on the way to the CG:

[video=youtube;JDkjdbh_55s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDkjdbh_55s[/video]

This is why I'm still undecided on allowing solo and group players to participate in CGs.
In ED all 3 modes are treated the same, you can do everything in all modes, so limiting a CG to be open only, or solo only, would change that.

Normally I say that open isn't any harder than solo, or solo isn't any easier. You might get attacked in open, but you need to be very unlucky, clueless at to what is going on around you, or in one of the few populated systems.

Community Goals are an exception to this. Community Goals are easier in solo mode. With the massive amount of players focused on one system the game changes quite a lot.

nedeaalex · May 9, 2015

fergal said:
This happened to me today on the way to the CG:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDkjdbh_55s

This is why I'm still undecided on allowing solo and group players to participate in CGs.
In ED all 3 modes are treated the same, you can do everything in all modes, so limiting a CG to be open only, or solo only, would change that.

Normally I say that open isn't any harder than solo, or solo isn't any easier. You might get attacked in open, but you need to be very unlucky, clueless at to what is going on around you, or in one of the few populated systems.

Community Goals are an exception to this. Community Goals are easier in solo mode. With the massive amount of players focused on one system the game changes quite a lot.

i dont get it ? So people attacked you ? So what? Are they not allowed? They even talked to you nicely ... What is your problem with that encounter i dont get it. Also CG(Community being the key word here) should have a smaller impact from Solo. You are doing a community event, yet most of the community is in a parallel universe in Solo. This is why there will never be an a ctual war, just who can spend more time in Solo grinding. It should be all Open. You want to war ? Then move your giggly ship to open and we can have a proper war, where the skilled fighters win not the ones who grind cuz they have more time

fergal · May 9, 2015

nedeaalex said:
i dont get it ? So people attacked you ? So what? Are they not allowed? They even talked to you nicely ... What is your problem with that encounter i dont get it. Also CG(Community being the key word here) should have a smaller impact from Solo. You are doing a community event, yet most of the community is in a parallel universe in Solo. This is why there will never be an a ctual war, just who can spend more time in Solo grinding. It should be all Open. You want to war ? Then move your giggly ship to open and we can have a proper war, where the skilled fighters win not the ones who grind cuz they have more time

Are you trying to restate my point, while asking what my problem is?

nedeaalex · May 9, 2015

SteveLaw said:
You also have players on your side who have an invisibility cloak. Balance restored.

You dont get it. We dont want players on our side with inv cloacks. Quivira is a war right ? And independents are winning. Because they spend more time in Solo than imperialists do?? That is not a nice way to do Community goal where you dont actually see the community. Maybe if it was all Open. I could come smash some sense into independents/imperialists and we could have a proper war. Its a war for gods sake, not a grind fest. If its a war, why can i not see the opposition. I played in Open. 2 people on my side, one on theirs. What a war holy molly !!!

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fergal said:
Are you trying to restate my point, while asking what my problem is?

Im just asking about the video

fergal · May 9, 2015

nedeaalex said:
Im just asking about the video

Well I'm not happy I didn't get through, but I didn't head to Diso in open expecting a free ride.
If there weren't any players there I wouldn't bother. Without the player interdictions its just me doing a trade run. If an NPC interdicts me I will kill it and collect some free money.

nedeaalex · May 9, 2015

fademist said:
Isnt on hes favor and he forgets to mention them

we dont want them on our side either . Make it Open only and we will see who is actually better at doing war. Maybe i dont have the time to spend grinding in solo? If it was all Open i could smash some opposition on the spot, helping my side that way. This way i can only grind, and i hqve no time for that.

fademist · May 9, 2015

nedeaalex said:
we dont want them on our side either . Make it Open only and we will see who is actually better at doing war. Maybe i dont have the time to spend grinding in solo? If it was all Open i could smash some opposition on the spot, helping my side that way. This way i can only grind, and i hqve no time for that.

thank god then that FD decide that for all. if u dont like it nothing we can do ...

nedeaalex · May 9, 2015

fademist said:
thank god then that FD decide that for all. if u dont like it nothing we can do ...

Maybe there is? Remember that little game called Dont Starve. Yes it was very popular. But it had the same problem. Half wanted singleplayer only half wanted multiplayer. They kept posting and posting about multiplayer, and now 1 year later Dont Starve Together(multiplayer).

fademist · May 9, 2015

nedeaalex said:
Maybe there is? Remember that little game called Dont Starve. Yes it was very popular. But it had the same problem. Half wanted singleplayer only half wanted multiplayer. They kept posting and posting about multiplayer, and now 1 year later Dont Starve Together(multiplayer).

i dont even know that game anyway and isnt the same cause i think the numbers isnt the same here

nedeaalex · May 9, 2015

fademist said:
i dont even know that game anyway and isnt the same cause i think the numbers isnt the same here

It is. Just that people like me usually dont attend the forums.(pvp-ers)

fademist · May 9, 2015

nedeaalex said:
It is. Just that people like me usually dont attend the forums.(pvp-ers)

im sure open here is lower in numbers thanks to the griefers

nedeaalex · May 9, 2015

fademist said:
im sure open here is lower in numbers thanks to the griefers

It is. But I am sure FD see the people leaving their game out of boredom too

NooneYouKnow · May 9, 2015

fademist said:
im sure open here is lower in numbers thanks to the griefers

Don't forget the craptastic nature of p2p. Don't even think of forcing everyone to open until a good solution to MP is done. P2P is garbage, open to cheating, open to excessive lag. All it takes is some dude with dial up in some 3rd world hole to screw up everyones game.

fademist · May 9, 2015

nedeaalex said:
It is. But I am sure FD see the people leaving their game out of boredom too

any real proof of that u have or u just say things?

FuzzySpider · May 9, 2015

nedeaalex said:
If its a war, why can i not see the opposition. I played in Open. 2 people on my side, one on theirs. What a war holy molly !!!

That's a fair point, however last time I took part in a community quest like this in Open I was interdicted a few times enroute to the CZ by people looking for nothing more than PvP action. They didn't hit me at the conflict zone because they had chosen to work with the other side, which would have been totally fair enough and would have added to the game. They hit me in random space because they wanted to fight with a player, not a cmdr (important distinction there), which ruined immersion and irritated me somewhat.

That's why I stick to solo for CGs now.

Sigon · May 9, 2015

Don't know if this is the right place for it but for those who really love PvP (and get tired of hearing that ED is more than just that

), it seems that just the right game is now in the making, by some of the people behind X-wing, etc...
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/impellerstudios/starfighter-inc

Since this would give people who want purely PvP and nothing else, I really hope that project succeeds so it will take a bit of the pressure off of ED. Since Elite is currently the only (good) space sim, everyone wants it to be what they always hoped to find in a space sim, not what the Frontied Devs have always wanted it to be.
I personally wouldn't mind the people who are 'bored' and give the PvPers a bad name would find some other place to headbut other people.

And this seems just the game for them.

Lestenio · May 9, 2015

nedeaalex said:
You dont get it. We dont want players on our side with inv cloacks. Quivira is a war right ? And independents are winning. Because they spend more time in Solo than imperialists do?? That is not a nice way to do Community goal where you dont actually see the community. Maybe if it was all Open. I could come smash some sense into independents/imperialists and we could have a proper war. Its a war for gods sake, not a grind fest. If its a war, why can i not see the opposition. I played in Open. 2 people on my side, one on theirs. What a war holy molly !!!

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So you are saying that the thousands of people in other instances shouldn't have an impact on your community goal.
Its unfair just to single out solo / group players. You need to point the finger at everyone not in your instance.

Globusdiablo · May 9, 2015

Sigon said:
Don't know if this is the right place for it but for those who really love PvP (and get tired of hearing that ED is more than just that ), it seems that just the right game is now in the making, by some of the people behind X-wing, etc...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/impellerstudios/starfighter-inc.

Indeed. It does sound like the perfect PvP war in space frag fest.

I'm not sure if all the PvP'ers in Elite: Dangerous are interested in a fair fight though...

Lestenio · May 9, 2015

Globusdiablo said:
Indeed. It does sound like the perfect PvP war in space frag fest.

I'm not sure if all the PvP'ers in Elite: Dangerous are interested in a fair fight though...

Cant wait to start moaning at the starfighers developers on the lack of trading and exploring features in the game
Give the moaning PvP crowd a taste of their own medicine

fergal · May 9, 2015

Globusdiablo said:
I'm not sure if all the PvP'ers in Elite: Dangerous are interested in a fair fight though...

I play in Open. I've dropped to a private group or solo only a few times.
I've been in a viper for most of that time.
An FDL more recently.

No one has ever tried to interdict me in the FDL.
I think I was interdicted 3 times by players in Pythons (before their nerf) when I was in a viper.
When in a viper I have been interdicted by other players in vipers and cobras, but only when I was wanted, or damaged from leaving a Combat Zone.

Most of the fighting I've done against players is at Combat Zones. I've been attacked by neutral players at CZs and players on my team.

I don't think I've ever been attacked by another player at a nav beacon or res ext site while I wasn't wanted.

When I've been in an adder or type 6 (usually to travel to somewhere) I've been interdicted many many more times.

More recently I've tried out the Orca, its a magnet for getting interdicted by players.

Only the experiences of one player, your mileage (kilometorage doesn't really work) may vary