Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread [See new thread]

[Fire70]

So not only do you want to dictate how people play the game, you want to dictate how they use the forum as well.

(Hint: the forums have an "ignore" feature)

Suggest = Dictate?? Another "Fact"??

Hint = Dictate?? I hope you are not trying to dictate to me OMG am I being dictated too!!!!!.

If you actually had read what I have written I haven't dictated to anybody at all. My points have been:

1. Open is nothing like what many try to make out.
2. Many have motives which are not pure i.e. promoting their own PVE group.
3. Given players can play in other modes, the galaxies should also be different i.e. open not compete with solo..

Now if you got off you high horse once and actually read anything you would have seen this, but I feel it isn't about discussion with you.

I don't usually put anyone on ignore because it seems a bit petty and I do admire you unwavering determination to prove your "facts" even though I disagree.

 

[Obtuse]

The way to handle the solo traders vs open would be to add a slider allowing trade profit % sharing so it can be something other than 5%, maybe add a bonus for every pirate that gets taken down ( it can be counted if the traded gets tagged by fire from someone outside the wing) allowing the actual commodity trade profits to be untouched, but adds a bonus to open players who want to protect traders (the bonus going to the protector, not the protected)

 

[Fire70]

Really they merged another thread???

 

[Jockey79]

Suggest = Dictate?? Another "Fact"??

Hint = Dictate?? I hope you are not trying to dictate to me OMG am I being dictated too!!!!!.

If you actually had read what I have written I haven't dictated to anybody at all. My points have been:

1. Open is nothing like what many try to make out.
2. Many have motives which are not pure i.e. promoting their own PVE group.
3. Given players can play in other modes, the galaxies should also be different i.e. open not compete with solo..

Now if you got off you high horse once and actually read anything you would have seen this, but I feel it isn't about discussion with you.

I don't usually put anyone on ignore because it seems a bit petty and I do admire you unwavering determination to prove your "facts" even though I disagree.

Well, again, no matter how you ignore it - they are not MY facts.
Words, write ups and blogs directly from Frontier are THEIR facts, not mine. This is why, I keep saying, read the information I keep posting, those who do gain some clarity over what FD are trying to do here.

As to your points;

1) I've never said open is "full" of anything - I've quoted or referred to other forum users who are upset over things - and if you follow that information you'd land on my posts saying "If you go in to open, by default you consent to any and all things that happen there". I've not once shown sympathy for anyone who had lost a ship in open (and btw, they also get told to read the KS and DDA, as these things were talked about then as well)

2) I have no doubt different people use different methods and have their own motives for everything they do - but you keep making blanket statements about Mobius Group members. You know blanket statements, like "all open players are, etc...." - that you dislike being put on you - goes two ways.

3) Again, FD are trying to do something (in that information) and they are not the only ones using this method (so I'm told) as it favours casual gamers more than the typical gamer archetype. For a personal opinion, I'd have gone with the tried and tested PvE servers and PvP servers.

 

[fademist]

The way to handle the solo traders vs open would be to add a slider allowing trade profit % sharing so it can be something other than 5%, maybe add a bonus for every pirate that gets taken down ( it can be counted if the traded gets tagged by fire from someone outside the wing) allowing the actual commodity trade profits to be untouched, but adds a bonus to open players who want to protect traders (the bonus going to the protector, not the protected)

already have one ...its called trade vouchers

 

[Obtuse]

already have one ...its called trade vouchers

Yes and I'm suggesting changing the 5% allowed per voucher, so either if the trader gets attacked and saved he can up the % past 5 to compensate. Read carefully

 

[fademist]

Yes and I'm suggesting changing the 5% allowed per voucher, so either if the trader gets attacked and saved he can up the % past 5 to compensate. Read carefully

problem is that even they do 100% increase traders wont go to open for that FEW bad ppl that are on open they will go to group with some friends to have that increase bonus more likely

 

[Valethar]

Yes and I'm suggesting changing the 5% allowed per voucher, so either if the trader gets attacked and saved he can up the % past 5 to compensate. Read carefully

As long as anything over the initial 5% is taken from the trader's balance and passed on to the escorts, I think it could be a good idea for making escorts more viable, in all modes, not just Open.

 

[Fire70]

It would be nice if you could become "hired protection" as a career choice. This way traders have an option of protection when running in open.

The problem is funding.. It need to be enough to make players want to help but not enough to mean it is pointless for the trader.. Maybe the Pilots Federation provides these types of services and you sign up there.

 

[Dave1235]

lol yes I'm sure some players would worry about that but the reality this isn't the case. Those Steam fools keep coming every day and they provide plenty of meat.

Can any steam member post this on the steam forum please to help the new players from becoming "meat" "fools" or possibly ex players.

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You need to remember that in order to promote their PVE group they need to spread as much rumor and innuendo as possible to the atrocities which happen every minute in open. Then they can brag about how many players are there which make you feel vilified in some way...

It all get backs to "how much have you seen your self?" to which you may get "well I have never seen anything personally" or "a bad thing happened to me on the first day, I'm never going back.."

See 90% of the "anti Open crowd" here have no idea what it is like, nor do they care because it doesn't suit their purposes.. It is not about trying to force anybody to play open but to refute the bull and hysteria that get spewed out here..

Got a citation for that 90%?

I played in open from PB (a year ago) until about 3 months ago, I didn't leave due to lag, I didn't leave because I got killed by another player (actually I went back into open a few months ago just to get pirated in my type 6, it was fun, but I wanted to find it that day).

I left open because I met people on this forum that I have no desire to spend my gaming time with (and a lot of others I would, its not all bad), OK now I am going to be brutally honest, I have never said this to anyone before, I do try to be tactful although I obviously need more training.

I don't want to play with you, and yes I do mean YOU and other people that refer to other players as "Steam fools" or "meat". You will never be a part of my game, I would not have dinner with you, you will never be invited to my house, I would not have a beer with you, we have absolutely nothing in common. FD can't change that.

PS, When FD get the crime system working properly I might come back to open, until then I will watch and wait, its a shame just a few months back I would have hit open without even thinking about it, now I do the same with the solo / groups button.

 

[Asp Explorer]

If you don't want to play with a particular individual - it's extremely simple to make sure they never enter your game.

Consider it a spam-filter

 

[Fire70]

I left open because I met people on this forum that I have no desire to spend my gaming time with (and a lot of others I would, its not all bad), OK now I am going to be brutally honest, I have never said this to anyone before, I do try to be tactful although I obviously need more training.

I don't want to play with you, and yes I do mean YOU and other people that refer to other players as "Steam fools" or "meat". You will never be a part of my game, I would not have dinner with you, you will never be invited to my house, I would not have a beer with you, we have absolutely nothing in common. FD can't change that.

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But But But I'm a nice person!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FYI I am a "Steam Fool".. I have the feeling many here take this forums way too seriously and given the small percentage of members compared to those in game if you left because you may have ran into forum posters you didn't like well lol more fool you..

You sure you are a Dave you don't really sound like a Dave??

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If you don't want to play with a particular individual - it's extremely simple to make sure they never enter your game.

Consider it a spam-filter

It is easier to just go to a different mode...

Does that mean players are being "dictated to" by stealth?

 

[Jockey79]

It is easier to just go to a different mode...

Actually, under Friends and Groups within the game menu, there is a block feature.
There seems to be a dispute if it works or not, and as I've not put anyone on it (no need for me) and some folks report back it works, others say it doesn't.

 

[Asp Explorer]

It is easier to just go to a different mode... Does that mean players are being "dictated to" by stealth?

Of course. Mode switching takes time and can leave you open to accusations of combat-logging. Dictating to players that they will NOT play with you, and executing that dictate, takes no time at all and involves no combat-logging.

Everyone is happy - apart from the player with poorly-received behaviour problems.

 

[Dave1235]

Some very good points there but you will the "hysteria" club will drown any pro open discussion out because open is evil...

Open is not evil, nor is groups or solo its a matchmaking program, they are a choice in the start menu not a sentient being.

The way some of these people play in those modes, well pick your own description for the players, even then evil might be a bit strong even in that context but YMMV, depends who you meet I guess.

 

[Fire70]

Actually, under Friends and Groups within the game menu, there is a block feature.
There seems to be a dispute if it works or not, and as I've not put anyone on it (no need for me) and some folks report back it works, others say it doesn't.

If it does work why don;t more players use it when they are griefed? I assume you should never see them again?

Of course. Mode switching takes time and can leave you open to accusations of combat-logging. Dictating to players that they will NOT play with you, and executing that dictate, takes no time at all and involves no combat-logging.

Everyone is happy - apart from the player with poorly-received behaviour problems.

Am I missing something, you can "ignore" players in game?

Open is not evil, nor is groups or solo its a matchmaking program, they are a choice in the start menu not a sentient being.

The way some of these people play in those modes, well pick your own description for the players, even then evil might be a bit strong even in that context but YMMV, depends who you meet I guess.

So you think it is ok to put all of us Open guys in one basket because we are trying to "control or dictate" to you yet we are not able to use the same broard sweeping statements. I don't mean you personally (I'm not sure how you post) but there is a strong aspersion here that all open players are mad PVP freaks who want nothing more than to kill on sight..

Anyway given your opinion on me personally I would have though I would be on your ignore list by now.. So can somebody please pass this on to Dave for me. K tks..

 

[Cowboy Bats]

3. Given players can play in other modes, the galaxies should also be different i.e. open not compete with solo..

I'm sure that FD would love to accommodate you on this one if you pay for it. Another background simulation is going to cost whatever the current one costs to run, over again. So all you have to do is open up your wallet, say, "here's the cash to run the 2nd background simulation for solo" and they might take you up on it.

Oh, you expect Frontier to pay for it despite the fact that it's really only a few malcontents screaming for it? Well...good luck with that.

 

[Jockey79]

If it does work why don;t more players use it when they are griefed? I assume you should never see them again?

I'd also assume that is how it would work, but no one seems to know.
It has been a while since I've seen the feature talked about and no one had any real proof either way over it.

The only thing I can think of is to find some folks who are willing to test it out properly, that way if it does work as we think it does, then quite a few folks who left Open could return and just make use of the Block feature.
Heck, even I'd try open out more often if someone who is a can be just blocked in game.
(I know the chat menu also has a block, but that is just to block comms, nothing else)

Just think, if that feature does work like that - over 600 pages of arguments and there is something to fix most problems for everyone all ready in game, that would be funny - trolled by FD for months lol

 

[Asp Explorer]

Am I missing something, you can "ignore" players in game?

Be good, be powerful, be quick, be clever, or learn how UDP works.

 

[W0OCQCK]

If it does work why don;t more players use it when they are griefed? I assume you should never see them again?



Am I missing something, you can "ignore" players in game?



So you think it is ok to put all of us Open guys in one basket because we are trying to "control or dictate" to you yet we are not able to use the same broard sweeping statements. I don't mean you personally (I'm not sure how you post) but there is a strong aspersion here that all open players are mad PVP freaks who want nothing more than to kill on sight..

Anyway given your opinion on me personally I would have though I would be on your ignore list by now.. So can somebody please pass this on to Dave for me. K tks..

Hmmmmmmm, Your getting pretty darn close to mine.