Scott's video is now unlisted and the up/downvotes are 50/50
I think even the biggest SC fan should be able to appreciate his attempt to see all sides of the medal.
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Scott's video is now unlisted and the up/downvotes are 50/50
I think even the biggest SC fan should be able to appreciate his attempt to see all sides of the medal.
I could not directly find the information to back that claim because that was posted on a freaking German Tech magazine!
Now, go read it: http://www.golem.de/news/star-citiz...rfahrenen-crytek-entwicklern-1504-113456.html
I said that, based on the information that was posted on a German Tech Magazine about it, that i just now found online so you can read it. If that for you doesn't back my statement, that's your problem, not mine.
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I did read it, that's why I dismissed it, as it does not back up your claim.
Ah I see, so you are basing your statement (heavily modifying it, to make a point that was not actually made in the article) on a single online magazine article. Its kind of funny, you have been yelling at people for doing the very same thing you just did.
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Thanks for the head's up. I hope you were able to keep the discussion calm
Did you talk more about ongoing drama or the game itself?
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Oh i see, but when people base accusations from one online Magazine against CIG, that's totally true. How biased can people get.
Can you prove it true? No. Can you prove it false? No.
That's how it is, the accusations about the way and amount of money CIG spent on X and Y are as valid as the ones from that article about Crytek and CIG.
#Logic
Scott's video is now unlisted and the up/downvotes are 50/50
I think even the biggest SC fan should be able to appreciate his attempt to see all sides of the medal.
It's annoying that any perceived criticism will have a certain bunch of people turn on one of their own. They did it with Beer and they seem quite eager to do it again with Scott Manley. A lot of the subreddit say that they don't like the official forums because of over moderation while ultimately trying to hen-peck someone into censoring their own opinion.
You see people nitpicking over miniscule mistakes as if that voids any and all discussion. ironically the counter proof they offer quite often turns out to be false....
Something that does surprise me somewhat - I thought "The Goons" were very pro SC - I have a link somewhere to their "kitty litter" thread where they collectively bought hundreds of ships.
Have they turned wholesale against the game? I realise "they" don't all think the same way or do the same thing but I'm sort of getting that impression now.
Thanks for the opportunity there are so many things to talk and discuss about together. Hope the listeners like it.
People who have bought into SC with anything other than a basic package have an interest in suppressing negative views, it threatens their investment.
Oddly enough it's the torch and pitchfork brigade who are deterring me from either pledging or taking SC seriously.
I honestly think that being extremist people around that just go banana's over anything, the main reason the video got such a complicated discussion is because of Derek Smart.
You can't say that word on the community without causing flame wars. If he did that video and did not mention that name, taking his approach to the major points without need to go to what Derek Smart said or did, the video would have a much more positive outcome. People are just tired, really tired, Derek Smart is every single day on this, EVERY, only by analyzing his twitter, he spent 2 WHOLE days per week (around 50 hours) tweeting about Star Citizen.
It's just.... I have no words.
You can't say that word on the community without causing flame wars. If he did that video and did not mention that name, taking his approach to the major points without need to go to what Derek Smart said or did, the video would have a much more positive outcome. People are just tired, really tired, Derek Smart is every single day on this, EVERY, only by analyzing his twitter, he spent 2 WHOLE days per week (around 50 hours) tweeting about Star Citizen.
It's just.... I have no words.
I dunno - maybe you're new to this thing but seriously - just look back through the SC threads on these forums - which are much more carefully moderated than CIG forums - and you'll see people's unhappiness pre-existed the DS crap storm by months/year...
DS is the symptom - not the cause.
I think they are but they are starting to realise that the sort of gameplay they want is being watered down to make the game more accessible, that and everything else that's happened recently is getting them stirred up.
Reminds me of a superb comment regarding the irrational fear of the boogeyman
Oh i see, but when people base accusations from one online Magazine against CIG, that's totally true. How biased can people get.
Can you prove it true? No. Can you prove it false? No.
That's how it is, the accusations about the way and amount of money CIG spent on X and Y are as valid as the ones from that article about Crytek and CIG.
#Logic
See again, you are making things up. I never said that. Now perhaps you want to respond to what I actually said? And not your made up version? It helps in a discussion if you don't continually make things up.
Its amazing how all the criticism that has been going on for the past 2 years is ignored and everything is thrown at DS. The only reason DS cares is because of the massive amount of criticism leveled at CIG and SC. CR/CIG have turned DS into their boogie man that they can focus their hate and attacks on, by doing so they hope to distract people from the real issues and criticism leveled at them. If anything DS is worse for those critics then he is helping. Now when ever someone is critical (even though they have been for long before DS came onto the scene) their criticism is just pushed into the pile of DS and ignored.
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So this line, you know the line you stated after my quote
Oh i see, but when people base accusations from one online Magazine against CIG, that's totally true. How biased can people get.
was not addressed to me?
So in other words, you are responding to my post but your response has nothing to do with my post. Ok, so every one should ignore your posts because they may or may not actually be addressed to the person you are addressing.
Its ok you don't have a point, and have been desperately trying to change the subject. And when you can't change the subject you have to make things in order to have anything relevant to say. So does this mean you are done putting false words into my mouth? Probably not as even in this post you are making things up, you know you don't have an argument when you have to attack the other poster and call them lol "but-hurt".
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It is better just skip "extremists". It is much more interesting to read opinions from dissatisfied players who are able to give constructive feedback. They actually help make the game better.
Derek Smart is focusing on Fear Pandering.
He constantly talks people down to ask for Refunds, and publicly says to everybody "Get your refunds before it's too late."
If people were to give him credibility, and let this Fear Pandering to spread, Star Citizen would just fail and CIG would close down in just a few months, everybody would run for their refunds, the game would end up under a Financial collapse.
The Majority of the Community IS Defensive, but will not Ignore if concrete evidence and proof of what's going on is shown. It will keep defensive, the reality is, NOBODY, wins anything from any bad outcome from this situation, no matter if today it was confirmed or not that this is all a major scam, it wouldn't be any clearer that you wouldn't get your money back at this point, unless you would want public crucifixions, it's just how it is.
He constantly talks people down to ask for Refunds, and publicly says to everybody "Get your refunds before it's too late."
If people were to give him credibility, and let this Fear Pandering to spread, Star Citizen would just fail and CIG would close down in just a few months, everybody would run for their refunds, the game would end up under a Financial collapse.
The Majority of the Community IS Defensive, but will not Ignore if concrete evidence and proof of what's going on is shown. It will keep defensive, the reality is, NOBODY, wins anything from any bad outcome from this situation, no matter if today it was confirmed or not that this is all a major scam, it wouldn't be any clearer that you wouldn't get your money back at this point, unless you would want public crucifixions, it's just how it is.
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But why does it matter that they are married? She was there from the start, she was the one behind the golden ticket and trumping up hype since day one, hell she was the reason CR pitched the game in first place to a kS model, so well that we are now at $92 million. Obviosuly she is doing something right.
I don't see people complaining about CR having his brother as head producer oh wait, thats right. They have worked since 1990's making games together. Jeebus the amount of nit picking in here.
Honestly, why does it matter that they are married if she is doing a good job?
See this is our point. No matter how hard you try, its not about DS, this is about CIG and SC. The criticism is leveled at CIG and SC, I would also like to point out that this thread is about SC not DS, so please stay on topic.
Most of the community is defensive? You understand that most of the posters in this thread are a part of the SC community, and most of them are not defensive. And many of the posters in the RSI forums are not defensive (well the AC section, those people that have actually played what CIG have produced).
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