Attracts further investment into the country, we've been doing the same here on tax policies to attract external companies to settle here, only that we call it "Golden Visas".
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Attracts further investment into the country, we've been doing the same here on tax policies to attract external companies to settle here, only that we call it "Golden Visas".
So, when was 2.0 and 2.1 released? 2.0 I think happened sometime in November, but I'm not sure.
2.0 released (outside PTU that started the month before) on December, then 2.1 on January. The stability of the original build was Godawful, we came from 0-5/10 minutes of game sessions, to sessions that can last hours since then.
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Well that's what the "normal" devs usually do but not the CIG.Soon as they confirm that this is how the game should look&work in the "near" future the hype is going to be definitely over and we all know that CR&CIG must keep the HYPE train on the tracks for as long as possible no matter what,that's their main priority....
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The elephant in the room seems to be that they can't get Cryengine to do what they want and they can't get good networking staff to sort stuff out. Lord knows what position they'd be in had Cryengine not shed staff that CIG could, and did go on to hire.
I was speaking to a dev about it (some time ago) and I told him they were using 32 not 64bit and that they had only just decided to switch. His response was that "What? That's a decision a degree level student would have known to make."
They do seem to have some really great staff, especially the art and design ones, but as the saying goes they're 'Lions led by donkeys.'
I was speaking to a dev about it (some time ago) and I told him they were using 32 not 64bit and that they had only just decided to switch. His response was that "What? That's a decision a degree level student would have known to make."
They do seem to have some really great staff, especially the art and design ones, but as the saying goes they're 'Lions led by donkeys.'
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I see, thanks. About four months passed between the 'PU' demo and the first, barely playable version, and then another month until the game was acceptably stable (if you ignore the issue of spaceship hulls being merely a suggestion). Just have it in mind when you rate the progress on the basis of test footage.
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I was asking the very same valid question about the choice and overall networking problems in the Cry Engine few years ago....almost get put on fire and burn alive on the SC forum...and as I remember here MR. Novak ensure me that this is just a minor problem and that CIG experts will fix and even make it way better in just a few month period...fast forward in 2016.......
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Since when was the 64bit a sudden decision? 64bit had been in development for a long time, it arrived at once last year. Star Citizen was since as far i can remember, a 64bit Game.
Actually Ben Parry was days ago on the RSI forum, talking about Cryengine and hinted at some of the frustrations with it, being things that supposedly were working and when they dug on it there's a comment on the code saying "This has been broken for ages!", i'll see if i get the link...
It's hard to judge on progress, that you play, and the actual development progress. Some will say 2.4 is "OMG Clothes Shopping!", but on the backend, they have Engine rewrites, the IS 2.0 that have been ongoing for so long alread, being if a structural engine refactor and are finally being implemented into the game, that allows them to get rid of CE's legacy code that they were using, that was a place-holder, though we don't play that progress, it's still there.
You may be forgetting a thing, as SQ42 was and IS a priority to CIG, even with a PU team finally releasing PU-specific features, the netcode wouldn't be the priority to touch back then, but yes, when they actually started to focus on PU Development, as it is NOW.
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Lies again, they even announce this:"RSI announce improved netcode for Star Marine, Star Citizen's FPS component"that was almost 2 years ago don't want to even mention all of the CR "bulls" talks how they are fixing and making improved netcode&overall MP experience for the SC....Where Is It????And where is the Star Marine???I mean at least they could do something better from the original CE netcode???Why can we not see anything after all this years???
link for my claims:
http://www.pcgamesn.com/star-citizen/rsi-announce-improved-netcode-for-star-marine-star-citizens-fps-component-and-other-progress
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Netcode to the extent of Arena Commander or Star Marine is a thing, the netcode of one actual MMO is a whole different level. The MMO requires this whole zoning system, the seamless transactions in-between instances, several servers streaming and interacting to each other (like the nested systems).... Improving their netcode for SM matches, or even Arena Commander (that had one player limit increase), alone they have a lot of PU-specific development to do on the matter.´~
They are getting rid of CryEngine, not rid of it as of some "divorce", but the work they have done and are doing on refactoring is literately replacing it by now.
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Did they finish those rewrites, or are they work in progress? Just because CIG started the rewrite doesn't mean they can finish it, due to some unforseen interactions with already existing code. What if implementation of Item System 2.0 won't be compatible with already existing assets and all ships will have to be redone to some degree? I agree it's just a speculation, but unless code modifications are finished and their effect apparent, those claims can't be verified.
And that is ignoring the fact that AC was delayed for 6 months in order from them to redo the netcode.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13432-Letter-From-The-Chairman-On-Dogfighting
So ya they have focused on the netcode multiple times and failed hard each and ever time. And they still can't handle the number of players the base cryengine netcode can handle.
I think he means broken.
And yet when it was released he hid behind the name pre-alpha, and even now its still pre-alpha, except they have added two other alpha's before it so now they really are releasing pre-pre-pre-alphas.
Funny part is that they ended up having to release it as a single player (and stayed that way for a month) because of how broken the netcode was (still is after multiple reworks).
The correct answer is that it was not the netcode that was holding it back, CIG really had nothing at this time and had to come up with an excuse to not release.
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Don't confuse 64bit executable with 32 bit (single precision) vs. 64bit (double precision) floating point calculations. Video below at 6:47.
[video=youtube_share;HKcVI1rNz44]https://youtu.be/HKcVI1rNz44[/video]
It's a partial implementation on 2.4, witch allows as you may have seem the customization, the different interactions with things (The F key is still around, will be removed but not on 2.4 it seems), is all part of that rewrite, before 2.4, we already started to see in-game the Component System, on the ships, that is also part of it. So the implementation of the IS 2.0 on the game is ongoing on this, and future updates.
Ahh now you playing that game right???We both know exactly what I was aiming for.....Multiplayer experience in the Arena commander or PU is the virtually the same as it was from the first DFM(almost) it feels broken,not stable with low number of players in the same instance...and of course I am not talking about the Arcorp and possibility to put 50+ player in same instance where they can only chat,dance&make stupid moves.....that was always possible in CE look for the game Entropia(CE2)
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Oh Entropia on that aspect was... hmmm. There's a quite bigger MMO, like Archage. I still have my card
What i meant is what they need to do for the PU, and AC/SM are 2 different worlds, though it is clear the netcode is one of the biggest, if not the biggest challange they have to tackle on, as the game they want to create, depends on that to work as intended.
Oh my bad.... .edit. Wwait a minute!
Look at the question CR is answering, about the work CIG was taking on with the Double-Precision to be shared back with Crytek. :|
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Oh Entropia on that aspect was... hmmm. There's a quite bigger MMO, like Archage. I still have my card
What i meant is what they need to do for the PU, and AC/SM are 2 different worlds, though it is clear the netcode is one of the biggest, if not the biggest challange they have to tackle on, as the game they want to create, depends on that to work as intended.
I mention Entropia just because it was done years ago(2008 game was converted in the CE2)and seems that some things now CIG copying from that game....if you check that arcorp and virtual shops it looks and feels mostly the same as game play in Entropia...but we talking about the real-deal the instances where the space-fight should be happening and that's where the problem starts...They simply can not passed the numbers of 24 players per instance where all of them can shoot,move and fire and all the rest of the complex calculations(shield,engine..that need to use netcode for sending the info to the server) to work properly and without the problems....To be honest I doubt they can even do with 16 players at this point.....
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Cryengine was 32 bit, so from my little knowledge it involved a massive amount of code changes, which had the potential to have other large knock on effects. It's curious that in the video linked above from May 2014 he's a bit non committal about it, but then in this link he's more sure that it had to be done. Same with this article. Either way it apparently took them 10 months to do the changes.
It's more complex than a game like that, so it's more costy to achieve the same numbers. They could easily improve the capacity and performance of the instances, if they allowed more hardware into the instances, but the point is make them perform as best as possible inside what they want it to perform on. On the last PTU we've had a bug that spawned Hundreds of AI Friendly and Enemy ships on the same place, numbers around 500 of them, fighting each other and the players, and the servers incredibly were processing all of that! So instead of applying bandages it's going through a structural refactor, and it *really* needs it, like stop locking the instance performance to our client frame-rate, most annoying issue of the whole Alpha really for me.
On the video you linked, the Double-Precision was something CIG was already upon, because to create the large-scale maps and so on, what was always my knowledge was, 64bit had a function to perform in there.
Of course back then was all 32bit, but if you search about it, you find a lot of people around Crytek asking them to implement Double Precision on the Engine, as CIG was doing it.
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Again there is not such a big deal(not with today's hardware) to have hundreds of AI ships we all know that real problem with netcoding is when you,me and 40 others players playing action games and need to share same instance and send&receive data to the server from our PC-s and connection we are bound on it.....
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