The Star Citizen Thread v 4

[lysan]

Respectfully, anyone can Google up any number of similar threads relating to a different space combat game. I really think we should be having a morr objective discussion here rather than arguing over whose opinion has the most merit.

You point and click, no need for any tactical position or skill to control your ship.

There are many videos out there showing it, you just need to watch them and you are shaking your head. However that is fine, I'm not down grading it. Its just when you hear people like froggle
who actually should know what they are talking about, claim that its gods gift to SIM, they just lose credibility and look like there are just payed to say it. Any one who knows just a tiny bit about how to fly an airplane or play in a serious SIM will see it right away.

However i would like him to actually flying in ED before he talks about it. CQC would be a good place to start. I give him a survival rate of 15 seconds and that is generous.

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Prove it. Record a session of you doing it with your eyes closed.

but I'm not 12 years old even if I sometimes sound like one

 

[SpaceFort]

Sounds like you should have an easier time then, unless you're somehow worse at flying than a twelve year old?

 

[lysan]

Sounds like you should have an easier time then, unless you're somehow worse at flying than a twelve year old?

Sorry mate, I gave up on SC a long time ago, its just not for me, I like games where I'm challenged, and SC is not one of them.
I gave CIG $3k to build a SIM and I got a space shooter, I took my money back and thats it.

I can guarantee that if FD start to dumb down the skill level in ED they will receive the same treatment.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

I have only a 325a myself, no other ships (and will be playing with it at launch).

The 300 series are from the first wave of ships before the ship quality, pipeline, and manufacturer design guidelines were all fleshed out. They're widely recognized as needing a significant rework both in assets and overall design. Yeah, another development requirement that will further delay the title, but one that 300-series owners are owed.

CIG has stated that they will do a redesign on the 300 series later this year to address those problems including the cargo one. CIG committed to physical representation of cargo that you have to actually store in your ship and the 300s have far too little room. On the other hand, the engine is disproportionately large, so I expect much of the rework will mostly relate to moving around the internals and allowing cargo to be lifted into the ship via elevator as the 300s do not have a ramp like most other ships with cargo capacity.

There was a pretty massive feedback thread posted by CIG earlier this year that ran for a month or two before they posted some come-away "okay we're hearing that this is what you want, we'll take it back to design to review" statements.

Thx for the info.....hmmm so more or less same as few year back there is a talk about it,they will do changes and so on....but the priority is on the new ships as always....well honestly do not care that much about it I wish if they rather do some crucial changes in FM but I doubt that will ever happened...good luck with your 325 what's you plan by the way are you going to do the escorts&protection or maybe bounty hunting with that ship if the game ever goes live in far future?

 

[Backer42]

If SQ42 is now the project that CiG are currently focusing on, then why all the need for the secrecy? I mean, at least give the people backing your game more than just a few vague messages every couple of months about what's going on. Show them *something* of substance that can get the people some sense of where the project is currently.

That's actually what I signed up for in '12/'13/'14: participation in pushing the limits of PC gaming (like promised on Kickstarter), access to backer-exclusive content (like promised on KS). In reality CIG hides as much as possible from backers and even makes deals including NDAs with press outlets - just like a publisher.

Which is why them snubbing E3 seems even *more* of a strange decision, doubly so now that we know that several of the big publishers and developers are on the verge of releasing games that are *directly* competing with the genre niche that CiG are hoping to fill with Squadron 42 (and later, Star Citizen.)

That decision not really strange: Nothing to show, facing huge competition, chicken out of the event.

He managed it by using a fan made fix for the broken controls, he talks about it one minute in.

Isn't that considered cheating?

 

[Rilzi]

Sounds like you should have an easier time then, unless you're somehow worse at flying than a twelve year old?

Heres a vid of a guy playing and beating Vanduul Swarm one handed with his feet on the desk and talking about why the flight model (or at least the interactive mode for mouse) needs to be changed.

https://youtu.be/5_6AcaimT7k

Its on an older version of AC, but i don't think the flight model or controls have changed significantly since then.

 

[Electrofreak]

You point and click, no need for any tactical position or skill to control your ship.

There are many videos out there showing it, you just need to watch them and you are shaking your head. However that is fine, I'm not down grading it. Its just when you hear people like froggle
who actually should know what they are talking about, claim that its gods gift to SIM, they just lose credibility and look like there are just payed to say it. Any one who knows just a tiny bit about how to fly an airplane or play in a serious SIM will see it right away.

However i would like him to actually flying in ED before he talks about it. CQC would be a good place to start. I give him a survival rate of 15 seconds and that is generous.

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but I'm not 12 years old even if I sometimes sound like one

The survival of people who "point and click" in Arena Commander is also roughly 15 seconds.

 

[Wotthe Dickens]

Hey! We're over 10000 posts! New thread incoming?

 

[Rilzi]

The survival of people who "point and click" in Arena Commander is also roughly 15 seconds.

The survival of people in general is 15 seconds. Got to keep that ttk down - casuals have a short attention span

 

[Electrofreak]

Heres a vid of a guy playing and beating Vanduul Swarm one handed with his feet on the desk and talking about why the flight model (or at least the interactive mode for mouse) needs to be changed.

https://youtu.be/5_6AcaimT7k

Its on an older version of AC, but i don't think the flight model or controls have changed significantly since then.

That's 1EE7F33T, I know him on Twitch, I watch whatever he's streaming regularly, and consider him a friend. He's better with his feet than just about anyone else with hands, watch him play FPS games or whatever and you'll be floored. He paints Warhammer models to a high degree of detail with his feet. He was born with a condition called arthogryposis and has almost no motor function in his hands.

The long and the short of it is that he has an extraordinary degree of skill from a lifetime of gaming (he lives on disability last I heard) using only his feet and I wanted to make this statement before anyone attempts to use it as a basis for any argument that "this guy can play Star Citizen with his feet lawl see how easy it is" because that would be extremely disrespectful.

Honestly he has been looking for a way to be able to use a joystick. I suggested a Microsoft Strategic Commander but he thinks it won't work well.

EDIT - Yeah I'm a huge dumbass, I misread the post, thought it said it was someone who plays AC with his feet (which 1EE7F33T does and wrecks face). I actually watched the video and re-read the post. I made a dumb assumption, that's my bad. Whatever, leaving my post as-is because I'm not afraid of being wrong.

EDIT 2 - Sorry but I will say that Vanduul Swarm is pretty easy. It's like farming a high-res with something in your cargo hold. I doubt he would fare so well in AC.

 

[Backer42]

Its on an older version of AC, but i don't think the flight model or controls have changed significantly since then.

It got worse since then.

 

[Electrofreak]

It got worse since then.

It went from 2nd-order to 3rd-order motion. How good it is is certainly subjective, but it is technically much more realistic.

 

[lysan]

The survival of people who "point and click" in Arena Commander is also roughly 15 seconds.

Well so do people playing FPS maps, the mechanics are the same in SC. However that is fine, a good shooter is also a good game, its just not the same as ArmA. Not that ArmA is better its just different and more my type of game. SC would like to be something its not, and that is the problem. Many members are projecting want they think the game will be at some point. Well there is only one catch with that. You will have to wait until its in the game before you can enjoy it. Until then its just dreams nothing more.

Anyone wanting to buy into SC should honestly wait until they are at least in BETA, or even better Gamma, then we would actually know in what state the game would be when its released.

 

[Rilzi]

That's 1EE7F33T, I know him on Twitch, I watch whatever he's streaming regularly, and consider him a friend. He's better with his feet than just about anyone else with hands, watch him play FPS games or whatever and you'll be floored. He paints Warhammer models to a high degree of detail with his feet. He was born with a condition called arthogryposis and has almost no motor function in his hands.

The long and the short of it is that he has an extraordinary degree of skill from a lifetime of gaming (he lives on disability last I heard) using only his feet and I wanted to make this statement before anyone attempts to use it as a basis for any argument that "this guy can play Star Citizen with his feet lawl see how easy it is" because that would be extremely disrespectful.

Honestly he has been looking for a way to be able to use a joystick. I suggested a Microsoft Strategic Commander but he thinks it won't work well.

EDIT - Yeah I'm a huge dumbass, I misread the post, thought it said it was someone who plays AC with his feet (which 1EE7F33T does and wrecks face). I actually watched the video and re-read the post. I made a dumb assumption, that's my bad. Whatever, leaving my post as-is because I'm not afraid of being wrong.

Lol it was a fair (though odd) mistake to make - though someone playing with their feet sounds insane and awesome and I'm going to look him up.

 

[FerinexuS]

^ I think you are mixing up you're videos Electro

Regarding the real movie of the M50 vandull swarm, yeah that's some patches ago, 12 patches to be exact , and it's impossible today, Vandull is much stronger now and M50 got a bit nerfed, mobility and tankability.

If I recall M50 boost was bugged back then, infinite and there was almost no drifting, they were tankyer and it was very easy to keep weapons on target.
Now it's harder because ship's drift much more and Vandull are not to vulnerable to high-speed ships. Also Missiles got reworked and made stronger.

Hard to find a recent video of a M50 so a Merlin will have to suffice, it's also a small, fast & nimble ship.
[video=youtube;ZpUG_Yp5mfk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpUG_Yp5mfk[/video]

Again, I make Froogle my words about the watching others play VS Playing yourself:

I've seen videos, like you are watching now, and thinking: "How lame is that? It looks really stupid".
When you're in it it, it doesn't! it feels incredible, it feels just right!

I think it's very much true and one of the main reasons of so much controversy/discussion regarding the flight model.

The survival of people in general is 15 seconds. Got to keep that ttk down - casuals have a short attention span

Not always the case ofc:
[video=youtube;TnDsBp5p1-o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnDsBp5p1-o[/video]

 

[Electrofreak]

...Anyone wanting to buy into SC should honestly wait until they are at least in BETA, or even better Gamma, then we would actually know in what state the game would be when its released.

I strongly agree that people should wait, as game mechanics frequently change. Whenever people ask me about whether SC is worth, I point them to Twitch.tv, tell them to watch and decide if it's what they're looking for, and remind them it'll all change constantly.

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Lol it was a fair (though odd) mistake to make - though someone playing with their feet sounds insane and awesome and I'm going to look him up.

https://youtu.be/9KUzrqJThcI

James tearing it up

 

[SpaceFort]

This is probably the most important point, and probably one of the least talked about details of the SC community - we want you to be smart with your money. If you don't like what you don't see, feel free to invest if you ever find progress more to your liking later down the line. We're all completely okay with that,

...just please stop going around spreading a narrative that it's 'a scam' or 'absolutely doomed to fail'. If it's either, then please, just leave us to it.

 

[lysan]

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Not always the case ofc:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnDsBp5p1-o

Sorry, I know i'm sounding like and old grumpy dude, and that is true, I'm old. However this my fellow space game friend, is turrets in space. 100 % nose on target no need to position yourself or do anything.

I like the airplane in space model a lot more, from a game point of view. Using the word realistic in both SC and ED is kind of silly.

My personally reference are more like CQC, position here is everything.

[video=youtube;KAjXTZYiKGs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAjXTZYiKGs[/video]

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This is probably the most important point, and probably one of the least talked about details of the SC community - we want you to be smart with your money. If you don't like what you don't see, feel free to invest if you ever find progress more to your liking later down the line. We're all completely okay with that,

...just please stop going around spreading a narrative that it's 'a scam' or 'absolutely doomed to fail'. If it's either, then please, just leave us to it.

Never said it was a scam, or it was doomed to fail, I honestly don't believe that. What I don't like are all the huge proclamations like SC is much more complicated or advanced or whatever more than XYZ, because its not.

 

[SpaceFort]

Sorry, I know i'm sounding like and old grumpy dude, and that is true, I'm old. However this my fellow space game friend, is turrets in space. 100 % nose on target no need to position yourself or do anything.

I like the airplane in space model a lot more, from a game point of view. Using the word realistic in both SC and ED is kind of silly.

My personally reference are more like CQC, position here is everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAjXTZYiKGs

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Never said it was a scam, or it was doomed to fail, I honestly don't believe that. What I don't like are all the huge proclamations like SC is much more complicated or advanced or whatever more than XYZ, because its not.

It's a different flavor for different folks, though there've been people in here claiming exactly as suggested before, and then claiming that any defense is the work of a cultist.

Anyway, it seems we've moved on beyond the people I've mentioned, so I'll just say that I've got a Hornet Ghost.

 

[Insignificant_The_Galaxy_Cat]

This is probably the most important point, and probably one of the least talked about details of the SC community - we want you to be smart with your money. If you don't like what you don't see, feel free to invest if you ever find progress more to your liking later down the line. We're all completely okay with that,

...just please stop going around spreading a narrative that it's 'a scam' or 'absolutely doomed to fail'. If it's either, then please, just leave us to it.

Yeeeeah.... About what you just typed....

(Bold type added by me for emphasis)

One of the biggest German StarCitizen Fansites and Radio goes offline.

Source: German (translation below)

Greetings Star Citizens.

As you've probably noticed the amount of updates of Star Citizen News Radio has dropped significantly. This the reason for this, among other things, is that Mera and I have increasingly lost interest in Star Citizen. We are both Golden Ticket Owner and have been with SC from the very beginning. Unfortunately it became increasingly clear that at SC promises of CIG and the reality are very far apart. Of course, we know that there currently is an Alpha but we also see that SC has big problems at every nook and cranny, and it is very difficult to eliminate those. As we know, this is not only our opinion, but also many other Backers of the first hour think this way. Also, the constantly increasing commercialization displeases us both CIG (permanent concept sales) and in the SC "Fan Area", and the behaviour of individuals from the community toward people such as AngryBot (threats against him and his family). This can not be tolerated. People, SC is just a game. No more and no less.

A fan page as Star Citizen News Radio requires a very high time and effort to keep constantly updated (Search News, translations do so) but we are currently not ready to make this commitment for Star Citizen. Of course we are also aware that with the end of SCNR the (probably) only and really critical and independent from clans, organizations and CIG, German speaking SC Fan page will go offline and therefore we have long hesitated to take this step. We have invested much time and money in this project and therefore we it is really not easy to announce the end of SCNR.

We now want to thank all the SCNR SC fans that helped to build one of the largest German fan sites. Of course we want to thank those who have supported us over the past three years with news, translations, their knowledge and commitment to us. We deliberately refrain from naming them all individually, because it would be very sad if one of them would fall through the cracks, and this could happen to easily with the large number of them.



THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO ALL OF YOU!



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