Ah... only if this thread was like that one.... Well, i can dream.
The Star Citizen Thread v 4
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I think that in the Star Citizen forums the issue is bigger because there is a paranoia, from the start, in the minds of the Community Manager and some members of the CIG Staff, plus the eternal marketing campaign of "spread the word" etc, which many backers "signed to" and despite how much money CIG made above what was needed, they never stopped, changed the switch to what matters more than money.
There is more obsession to make CIG to appear better than it is than actually discussing the subjects to make CIG better in practice, so, both situations lead, from the beginning to overreaction, focus on silence and seeing enemies where they don't exist, an attitude both from the fans and also/mainly from the Community Manager and some other members of the Staff, specially those members who never worked before in the game industry and were subject of a very well-know controversy with the media recently.
In other forums, there is no this obsession to spread the words, or to get funds for the project, so, the trend is that despite having censorship too, its more rare, and in general its more focus on removing true trolls that just want just to flame other people and have no reason to (and definitely, there are many of this type using a fan t-shirt in the CIG Forums which were never banned because are true "supporters"). So, its a constant there, with fans obsessed more to police other people than talk about the game, flagging posts like zergs and the moderators, are in general, people that were just like them that got "promoted" to moderation, and follow the lead of a Community Manager that is more paranoid than anyone else in that company (well... probably he lost just for Sandi on the paranoia matter
)... so instead using of rules as they should, mods end twisting their own rules to fit in their agenda, many times, to make concerns disappear so they kept themselves, and the devs/bosses that they love, in a comfortable chair, as well as making happy that group of "cops" which in general, are the people who are more invested in the game, and are helping more on "spreading the word" for whatever objective CIG actually keeps in mind.
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No I haven't but I might now
It's very much worth it. It's not about comparing the two games ther nor about badmouthing SC. it's just about enjoying ED with a likeminded community. Lots of nice pics and collated info as well.
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Yeah, even I'd appreciate a peaceful thread on what's what with SC.
That "paranoia" only had happen because of the whole MEGA HIPER DUPER MASSIVE Drama that Star Citizen has faced recently. Needless to say, the move that a generality of the community took is go Defensive. And i really don't blame them much, it's incredible tiresome to hear the same copy/paste threads over and over and over and over and over again. After the 999th Thread about Derek Smart, or the 999th thread about CIG running out of money, and the list goes on.
I wouldn't be a Mod there, even if i would get paid for it.
The more you tighten your grip the more threads will slip through your fingers.
I PRESENT YOU, the best thread RSI forums has EVER seen, behold you, un-worthy people: https://forums.robertsspaceindustri...ussion-why-a-ship-is-faster-than-an-other-one
What's your Citizen Number? Currently all up to 210,000 is invited.
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Not really. That paranoia is there from the start. It's not Smart guilty. It was always how the community manager and the community itself behaved. They always were defensive and always focused more to silence criticism and spread the word than actually to discuss the game. In fact, in the earlier days was a lot worst. Even moderators openly stated that you shouldn't comment about this or that, because "you shouldn't have the capacity to comment about that subject". Yes... they were ridiculous at this level.
Later, when the lines of Star Citizens started to earn more people, it was harder to do what CIG, fans and mods actually wanted, but at this point, they already had created a "monster", I would say. People who kept and still keep only focused on policing, silencing criticism and in general, derailing themselves or not letting themselves that important subjects be discussed maturely and without passion involved, but reasonable, for the good of the game and company, which is confused, but shouldn't be, as what is good for this or that member of the CIG Staff team, even that the member is Chris Roberts.
So, today, you only have some criticism there going on, because there are more eyes on them and the mods can't really do what in fact, they would like to, because that would start to make them appear even worst than they are, in terms of Gestapo image, which reflected already even on press, etc., and important players with influence in the industry commenting or showing their irony form time to time in their articles about how SC has one of the most toxic communities of the history of the game industry. Unfair or not, that's the image that they built to themselves and is not guilty of any "hater" or Derek Smart.
In fact, the paranoia is so huge, that in general, you don't see actual trollish in the CIG Forums. That is pretty rare and when happened, the mods were pretty much effective of not letting the person pass from 1 or 2 comments. You only see people with concerns and legit disappointment been banned unfairly, because they were angry or something, in general, because CIG made a mistake, and instead deal with it, just burn the customer that is not satisfied, in the name of marketing. That is another absurd that they do in my opinion. People sometimes are strong supporters, but then, CIG made some terrible mess, the person naturally get angry and CIG made the person banned and start to call the person an enemy/troll, etc. for marketing. This is another thing that made me not looking to them with good eyes.
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It's not the community management, they also have a volunteer moderation team.
They do not damage control actual topics, they do damage control the fact things turn aggressive way to fast. For example if someone posted like you do towards SC/CIG on the RSI forum, that's a ban waiting to happen right there. I would dare to say it would be on this very same forum if done about ED.
Anyway i'm not up to discuss the moderation of other forums, so did a Frontier Mod already warned about not discuss this here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=203785&page=17&p=3191682&viewfull=1#post3191682
It's curious, because you probably are under 210k if you pledged near of the 6 million mark.
I got two invites already. Didn't use any. The first, because they sent me a spam actually. It was to an account/email address that was refunded long ago. The other they send later, for an active account, but I didn't make any move so far to download/try and probably I won't.
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Well... I criticized ED in similar form than SC and didn't get banned or have my threads closed or anything or even ended like the ultimate demon that should be banned. In fact, I rarely speak anything good about any game. There is a lot of people already doing that. My silence in the ED forums means that I am ok with most of what they do.
And the community manager there is the most of the paranoid guys. That is very clear for most of the people here, so, it's useless to try to defend him on this. CR did not let any doubt about how paranoid he is too. And Sandi revealed that is even more paranoid too, in many occasions and, in my particular case, very earlier, when I was banned from there.
Their paranoia reflected in the fans too. Because, basically they directed the fans to act like that, meaning that they encouraged they do "their job". But the fans do what they do, more because they want to support the game, which in their vision (a wrong one), support the game is support whatever CR decides to make with such game. But definitely, they have all this paranoia too, and I am sure, that was from the beginning and of course, escalated more recently due Derek Smart.
I have no idea why, but way before DS they were already defensive and acted in that form, seen enemies and trolls in any corner. Maybe because they really believed in that crap talking that EA would be worried with the SC success or something. Who knows.
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You'll get in most certainly on the next batch, let's hope the next patch does hit positive on stability, only then more invites are sent.Dammit 248801 I am...maybe I joined a bit later than I'd thought.
Probably for the best in any case. I can wait till it goes live. I still have lots of witcher 3 to play as well as fallout 4. I'm just dithering over whether to buy a brand new video card like top spec 980 and would like to have SC 2.0 to play with it.
You know that if you just complain on forums you will be ignored.
First you can play the finished game regardless of your backer account. Just throw $60 oder whatever amount in, when it's done.
Second you have to understand that only money speaks, silence is approval and giving them more money is even more approval. (It's not "investing" BTW, I see CIG customers use that term often in a completely wrong meaning.)
Requesting your money back and seriously going through with it sends a clear message, which is actually being heard at the other end. It may even change the project leading to a positive outcome.
A big difference, criticism is a thing, now, on any forum when you go about talking about the company, individuals on the company, specially publicly, you're in to trouble. Every story has 2 sides, you only tell one of them.
This is my citizen #: 585584
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/citizens/Ozram
I've had an invite since the second round. The only one I didn't get was the very first group.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/citizens/Ozram
I've had an invite since the second round. The only one I didn't get was the very first group.
You're Portuguese?!
Yeah the 1st was Issue Council actives, 2nd one was random i get in said based on active accounts, and the rest on citizen number up until now.
You're Portuguese?!
Yeah the 1st was Issue Council actives, 2nd one was random i get in said based on active accounts, and the rest on citizen number up until now.
I am Australian, American and Brazilian; passports and all. Born in Rio, "educated" in the US and reside in Ausieland
I tried, but I did not see any sense in what you just said. If you are trying to imply that I was fairly banned because "I talked about the company, individuals of the company in public", that's weird, because that is what feedback is about in the first place. There is no sin on criticizing CIG, or even the members of the staff about the job that they are doing. Unless, without proper reason, I had offended them in public and then got banned for that. Calling them incompetent, for example, and I am exaggerating here, because I never did that, at least before getting banned, wouldn't be an offense. Would be just a fact, depending of the situation, of course. IT still is an opinion, a feedback to be respected, or, at least ignored. Incompetent just means that you don't have the competence to do something YET, but you can achieve that competence if you pursuit that. Only an amateur would see such "feedback" as an offense. But that is just an exaggerated example that I am giving here. I didn't make that myself. Not even near of that.
I did a lot less. Still got banned and clearly, I got banned because one or other of my feedbacks were opening eyes, or at least some people at CIG and fans, obsessed by the "spread the world" and marketing campaign, more than interested on discussing the issues, were afraid to, and definitely, my feedback was good enough, but if followed, would need some people from CIG having to get out of the comfortable chair sooner that they were planning to.
Neither the fans nor these people were interested on that. So, like they did with many others later, they made the 'troublemaker'/'evil'/'enemy'/'hater' disappear. Not the troublemaker that hates the project and its trying to ruin it, but in reality, is always the troublemaker that is causing those people, who were not interested to improve themselves, to pursuit that.
People without the capacity to accept feedback in a professional way and prefer to risk the project than risk their positions/status, for example. And that was very clear in my case, considering that there were occasions that I interacted with some members of the Staff team, which actually had previous professional experience in the game industry (like myself), and these people did not find any problem with my feedback, shown appreciation and even asked me for more.
But then, when I targeted the area of the "wrong" person, well... It's suffice to say that one or two of those employee statements for The Escapist I can say that are true, without needing proof, because happened in the similar form with me, with the same person. It's her personality and lack of experience/capacity for the job that she was put responsible for, was that leads to these issues.
And I don't lie, because I never had reason to... I definitely offended them, but that was later, AFTER banned, and not just banned, but publicly disrespected myself, because CIG loves always to play the victim card, and in fact, I was humiliated and offended in their own answers by email to, about the issue... something that was happening that was not of my interest in the first place, but of their interest, specially for the interest of that girl's role, if they or she cared with customers at least, which today I know they don't and that 'customer' is synonym of troublemaker in their mindset, in practice... what they want are "fans".
So, using a little of your words... when you talk about an individual in public, specially a customer, you, as a company, are in trouble. Specially when this customer is me.
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