The Star Citizen Thread

[Mr.Nowak]

I hope they don't all wear the same racial outfits like they do in Star Trek.


Meanwhile, Mr Nowak


regarding you faith in video game journos, for example like Joystick who you cited



Take a look at this

"For these dedicated strategy connoisseurs and Roman history buffs, Creative Assembly has just about crafted the pinnacle work in the art of meaningful detail. Each Ptolemaic temple and Gallic brine distillery reaps some number value for the tactical player, which is in itself a notable benchmark. "

This is part of the summation of massively joysticks review of Rome Total War 2.

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/09/02/total-war-rome-2-review/

Have you ever played this franchise killing pile of dross that passes for the latest installment of the the Total War series? particularly at time of review when it came out and was utterly broken?

Just look at the difference between the aggregate scores from journalists reviews versus gamers reviews.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/total-war-rome-ii

Notice anything fishy?

No? Ok then why not look at a (very rare) honest review from someone who's also a Star Citizen backer.

http://angryjoeshow.com/2013/09/total-war-rome-ii-angry-review/

It's also very amusing and strangely reminiscent of the situation with star citizen

For example he says "If you're a Total War apologist please leave the room...because it's going to feel like I'm being 'unfair' to the game in your twisted point of view"

For the older Brits you might enjoy the Benny Hill music he employs when illustrating how bad the AI is.

The press is relaying information from the source which is Cloud Imperium Games. I am not saying the gaming spress is amazing and is always doing just reviews. Also user scores are always different from press scores. But this is not a review this is just pure reporting from a source.

You are looking at it very wrongly.

 

[Bains]

If someone creates a crowdfunded project and he is literally in charge of ever aspect of it you either trust in him and trust your money to him or you don't trust him and don't have anything to do with him.

What?? And after a year of listening to the twisted of fan boys, miss out on the opportunity to be there to say "I told you so" repeatedly until the day comes they want to beat me to dead with a hard bound copy of their limited edition fan fiction books?

No chance.

 

[Neo-ST]

Semi-OT: Bains, is your anger fueled solely by frustration at fanboy base at SC forums or is there something else?

 

[Bains]

Semi-OT: Bains, is your anger fueled solely by frustration at fanboy base at SC forums or is there something else?

Yes fanboyism is a major part of it. Just look at what I've been told today - believe in CR unconditionally or sell your stock and leave.

 

[Neo-ST]

Well, you can't have quantity and quality at the same time...

 

[Bains]

Well, you can't have quantity and quality at the same time...

LOL Too true it seems

 

[Mr.Nowak]

Yes fanboyism is a major part of it. Just look at what I've been told today - believe in CR unconditionally or sell your stock and walk away.

Sorry mate but this is how crowdfunding works. You look at a concept and you do research on the person making it then you fund it. That means you trust them.

If you don't why be fund it in the first place?

You are talking as if i am telling something that is untrue. Who would fund a crowdfunding campaign without trusting the person creating it?

 

[Boomotang]

Let's put this down to definitions...

Absolutely. And you don't get to change them in the year 2014.

In either case it's not space sim any more than war thunder is a flight sim, far too many fans of ultra Pew Pew. Maybe you think flying around using a mouse is a flight sim, if so, fine it's a space sim. If it was a sim in the same way as IL 1946 was a sim, I would take no issue with the use of the term sim in the context of a flight combat game and would be very.

Wing Commander was a space sim. TIE-Fighter was a space sim. Descent: Freespace was a space sim. EVE is not a space sim. The differentiating factor being that you are in direct control of your ship. Star Citizen definitely fits the bill. You do not get to change the definition.

It also relies on your reactions and how well you can fly your ship as opposed to 'skill levels' that you accumulate over time. This smashes your absurd analogy to WOW.

Open world? I don't think so. Let's put this down to definitions as well because for me it's blatantly going to be a theme park MMO complete with Questing, crafting and loot drops.

The percentage of procedurally generated content does not have to cross a certain threshold to be considered 'open world'. The term is very broad and generally refers to the fact that you can play the game in many different ways. You can be a pirate, bounty hunter, trader, explorer, tournament fighter, etc.

ARMA 3's island is 100% hand crafted, yet it is still considered 'open world'. You don't get to narrow the definition of 'open world' to your specific tastes.

 

[Bains]

Sorry mate but this is how crowdfunding works. You look at a concept and you do research on the person making it then you fund it. That means you trust them.

If you don't why be fund it in the first place?

You are talking as if i am telling something that is untrue. Who would fund a crowdfunding campaign without trusting the person creating it?

You don't know what your saying Mr. Nowak. And like democracy potentially it would work very if stupid people were banned for participation in the process.

In answer to your question SC was not infested with fanboys when I pledged. They showed up in their hoards when it became the 'next big thing'. They've been working the system ever since to turn it into something that works for then. i.e. World of War Craft in Space.

 

[Neo-ST]

LOL Too true it seems

Imagine SC turns out to be failure (hypothesis) and their whole player base transfers to ED...

 

[Boomotang]

What?? And after a year of listening to the twisted of fan boys, miss out on the opportunity to be there to say "I told you so" repeatedly until the day comes they want to beat me to dead with a hard bound copy of their limited edition fan fiction books?

No chance.

And if this doesn't accurately describe a troll, then I don't know what does...

 

[Bains]

Imagine SC turns out to be failure (hypothesis) and their whole player base transfers to ED...

...please - dont even go there.

 

[Mr.Nowak]

You don't know what your saying Mr. Nowak. And like democracy potentially it would work very if stupid people were banned for participation in the process.

In answer to your question SC was not infested with fanboys when I pledged. They showed up in their hoards when it became the 'next big thing'. They've been working the system ever since to turn it into something that works for then. i.e. World of War Craft in Space.

I am pretty sure what i am saying. It is common sense. Well not common for you maybe. Do i really need to say that you shouldn't put your money on projects which are led by people you can't trust? People should know that by now. SC blew up very very quickly and there was never a chance it wouldn't even get bigger after that explosive campaign.

*Sarcasm* For sure with that much realism in Star Citizens game systems it can be compared to Wow in space. Very similar. */Sarcasm*.

 

[Bains]

I am pretty sure what i am saying. It is common sense. Well not common for you maybe. SC blew up very very quickly and there was never a chance it wouldn't even get bigger after that explosive campaign.

For sure with that much realism in Star Citizens game systems it can be compared to Wow in space. Very similar. /Sarcasm.

I'm glad we have found a point of agreement..oh, you were being sarcastic. so much for that!

Wing Commander was a space sim. TIE-Fighter was a space sim.

Truthfully, Did you ever play any of these games when they came out Boomotang? Only it strikes me as your a little young for that.

 

[Boomotang]

Truthfully, Did you ever play any of these games when they came out Boomotang? Only it strikes me as your a little young for that.

Yes, but the fact that you resort to this sort of question just goes further to reveal that you don't care about intelligent conversation. Because it would matter little if I had played them or not.

 

[Bains]

Yes, but the fact that you resort to this sort of question just goes further to reveal that you don't care about intelligent conversation. Because it would matter little if I had played them or not.

Based on my reading of everything you have written in this thread I struggle to believe you. I think you're taking advantage of anonymity of the internet.

The point is to presume to lecture as an expert on the sweep of games across the timeline to those who were there while you weren't is hubris, not mention classic fanboysim. I'm pretty sure like Mr. Nowak during that era of games you were (to use an idiom) pooping your nappies.

It could be argued little has changed.

 

[Boomotang]

I struggle to believe you. I think you're taking advantage of anonymity of the internet.

The point is to presume to lecture as an expert of the sweep of games across the timeline to those who were there while you weren't is hubris, not mention classic fanboysim. I'm pretty sure like Mr. Nowak you were pooping your nappies.

You struggle to believe anything you don't agree with.

Let's poke some holes in your logic here.

1) Explaining a definition is not akin to declaring oneself an expert.
2) One does not have to live in a time period to have a valid opinion of it. That's like saying that someone cannot have an opinion on the first World War if they weren't there. That what they believe to be true must be false.

Resorting to attacks such as 'pooping my nappies' is a clear sign that you are either unable, or don't want to have an intelligent discussion.

Are you saying that Wing Commander and TIE-Fighter were not space sims, and that my comparison of them and Star Citizen is wrong? Or do you only wish to continue to troll?

 

[Bains]

You struggle to believe anything you don't agree with.

Let's poke some holes in your logic here.

1) Explaining a definition is not akin to declaring oneself an expert.
2) One does not have to live in a time period to have a valid opinion of it. That's like saying that someone cannot have an opinion on the first World War if they weren't there. That what they believe to be true must be false.

Resorting to attacks such as 'pooping my nappies' is a clear sign that you are either unable, or don't want to have an intelligent discussion.

No. I simply can not accept a lecture on games from someone who was in their nappies when they came out while I was actually playing them. And like I said, its classic fanboyism to present yourself as an expert on matters you know nothing about. To the point that fanboys ultimately end up trying to present themselves as experts on everything to from quantum physics to the sexual habits of the ancients if it will assist with advancing their bogus arguments - which is to be fair, precisely what you do.

If you can show me a single post that you have made to date where you acknowledge a subject has been touched on that you can not speak about as a peerless expert I will happily retract my statement. Good luck with that.

 

[Mr.Nowak]

I'm glad we have found a point of agreement..oh, you were being sarcastic. so much for that!

Notice the sarcasm marked area. The second part where you said that Star Citizen is like WOW yea that must be sarcastic joke.

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Two great articles especially this one.

There are many, many mmorpg games that pop up on Kickstarter asking for funding. Some of these online games succeed in attaining their funding goals while others crash and burn. Ever after the initial funding phase is over, development still proceeds and additional funding is needed. While many mmos have been able to get gamers to help support the development of their game, none has had the staggering success of Star Citizen. The game has become an unstoppable juggernaut as it continues to hit a new stretch goal every few weeks. No other online game has come remotely close to what the Star Citizen funding has achieved. Why does Star Citizen succeed where other mmos fail?

http://mmo-play.com/mmo-blog/star-citizen-success

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This is also interesting.

When this column began, the first thing I talked about was Star Citizen's then-unique development model and how important it was both for fans and the game industry as a whole.

Over a year later, the jury's still out on whether or not Cloud Imperium's opus will bring balance to the Force and give starving hardcores a home of their own. It's already safe to say that Star Citizen has turned the industry on its ear, though.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/0...ow-star-citizen-is-turning-the-game-industry/

 

[Boomotang]

No. I simply can not accept a lecture on games from someone who was in their nappies when they came out while I was actually playing them. And like I said, its classic fanboyism to present yourself as an expert on matters you know nothing about. To the point that fanboys ultimately end up trying to present themselves as experts on everything to from quantum physics to the sexual habits of the ancients if it will assist with advancing their bogus arguments.

Wing Commander, TIE-Fighter, Descent: Freespace = Space Sims

Star Citizen = Space Sim

=

I'm an expert.




Wow......... It's so easy to become an expert these days.

(Yes, I did play both TIE-Fighter and Descent: Freespace. Two of my favourite games ever.)