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Further proof that what he says when forced to read the teleprompter doesn't reflect anything happening in his own head. The team behind Trump can't make him stay on message. I wonder how long they are going to let this continue.
He will bring it upon himself.

Sucking up to the NRA.

Wilfully and publicly inciting division and hate.

Finally: He always has to pause, then give that inane grin and wave; just before he gets into his bullet proof limo.
 
Every right-wing protester is carrying swastikas now?

Trump condemned in strong words both NA-(that word)S plus the KKK.

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So the people just walking next to them were not so bad? Would you join that march?
 
Every right-wing protester is carrying swastikas now?

Trump condemned in strong words both NA-(that word)S plus the KKK.

EDIT: Never mind. It's not worth it for my blood pressure. (although I'd say it if wasn't simultaneously breaking 213 forum rules).
 
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The rocket engines produced in Ukraine, which would have allowed Pyongyang to make spectacular progress on the missiles, were all delivered to Russia, said Tuesday the Ukrainian space agency.

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So the people just walking next to them were not so bad? Would you join that march?

Join the march, not sure, perhaps. One guy walking somewhere with a swastika I don't care about, he can walk where he wants, there were thousands of other people there. If it was a bunch of loudmouth bullies yelling disgusting racial slurs then no I wouldn't join.
Ironically most of the racial slurs and violence are coming from the other side, in their so called protesting racism..
 


I read it a few times(can't remember which sites) but I guess that was wrong then.

So let me get this straight(I may be wrong again here)... Charlotteville gives permission for a right-wing demonstration, then gives permission to two left-wing counterprotests, then they suddenly cancel the right-wing permit in the middle of the demo? and have the police tell them to leave the town. Meanwhile the counterprotests are allowed to continue, building up momentum. Unavoidably they clash with the right-wingers who are scattered and trying to get out of town..
Jeee I wonder what happens when people get desperate and angry, and are attacked at every corner. A tragedy was highly likely, and then one guy totally snapped.
 
I read it a few times(can't remember which sites) but I guess that was wrong then.

So let me get this straight(I may be wrong again here)... Charlotteville gives permission for a right-wing demonstration, then gives permission to two left-wing counterprotests, then they suddenly cancel the right-wing permit in the middle of the demo? and have the police tell them to leave the town. Meanwhile the counterprotests are allowed to continue, building up momentum. Unavoidably they clash with the right-wingers who are scattered and trying to get out of town..
Jeee I wonder what happens when people get desperate and angry, and are attacked at every corner. A tragedy was highly likely, and then one guy totally snapped.

"Yes, in a fit of sudden passion, he tinted his windows, and removed both licence plates before identifying some non-combatants and ramming into 20 of them.

It could have happened to anyone.

He's not to blame.

It's those SJW's who provoked that poor innocent white boy to defend his helpless heavily armed Neo-Nzi friends.

We have to consider ALL the sides here."

Back in my grandfather's time people just shot the N-zis.
During the Civil War, real Americans did the same to the Confederate traitors and their terrorist coal bombing tactics.
It wasn't up for moderated discussion; it was settled with bayonets and bullets.
 
"Yes, in a fit of sudden passion, he tinted his windows, and removed both licence plates before identifying some non-combatants and ramming into 20 of them.

-Tinted windows *check*
-No license plates *false*
-Identified targets. That will be decided in court.

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Looked at the vid. Seemed he was gunning down the street then hit the brakes and slowed down, before flooring it into the crowd. Hard to see but it looked like a few people where hitting the car when it first had slowed down.

My guess, I'm calling this murder, not terrorism. The guy had not planned this.
 
Visible plate noted. I had not seen it from this angle before.

However murder implies a selected victim. He's running into a crowd.

A crowd. That's pretty nonselective... Anyhow, it's up to the people doing the investigation to work out what the actual offenses are.

How this is different to say an ISIS attack in Paris eludes me.
 
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How this is different to say an ISIS attack in Paris eludes me.

This article explains why.

http://newsthump.com/2016/06/18/dif...-of-mental-illness-identified-as-skin-colour/

To say I am disappointed would be quite an understatement. I didn't think it was a point of contention that white supremacism and neo-nzis were bad things.

Before this a lot of the Trump scandals were just sport, people could laugh and giggle at the ridiculous choice the GOP had made for their leader. But now, things are very different. There is a president in the Whitehouse who will condemn and criticise the London mayor straight after a terror attack, but who will fudge around when it comes to neo-nzis. The type of man this is could not be clearer at this point. You can't defend the president and be a decent person.
 
Starting to look like Kim and Trump are backing off, with both using the situation to their advantage. Not particularly surprising.

However murder implies a selected victim.

That's really not the definition of murder. You don't have to have specific targets in mind, just a reasonable expectation that someone might die...and if someone does, that's murder.

I didn't think it was a point of contention that white supremacism and neo-nzis were bad things.

If they were objectively bad, they wouldn't exist.

No one intentionally does the 'wrong', 'bad', or 'evil' things. At worst, they do what's necessary for the 'greater good'. The definitions of all those terms are entirely subjective.
 
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-Tinted windows *check*
-No license plates *false*
-Identified targets. That will be decided in court.

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Looked at the vid. Seemed he was gunning down the street then hit the brakes and slowed down, before flooring it into the crowd. Hard to see but it looked like a few people where hitting the car when it first had slowed down.

My guess, I'm calling this murder, not terrorism. The guy had not planned this.

Some versions may have had the license plate blurred out, so it just looked like it was removed.
Blurring out license plates is pretty common now as it stops naughty people making convincing fake plates.
 
Join the march, not sure, perhaps. One guy walking somewhere with a swastika I don't care about, he can walk where he wants, there were thousands of other people there. If it was a bunch of loudmouth bullies yelling disgusting racial slurs then no I wouldn't join.
Ironically most of the racial slurs and violence are coming from the other side, in their so called protesting racism..

Most of the racial slurs were not from the KKK and not from the neo-nzis, but from the kumbia milord hippy peacenick social justice warriors?

Ok.

If they were objectively bad, they wouldn't exist.

No one intentionally does the 'wrong', 'bad', or 'evil' things. At worst, they do what's necessary for the 'greater good'. The definitions of all those terms are entirely subjective.

I'm not a huge fan of objectivist philosophy to be honest.

If there isn't something more to life than perception then there really isn't anything important. And that is a notion that my soul doesn't really accept.
 
islamist preachers in the streets must be banned in the public space

I can't think of any good reason to ban public preaching or to single out Muslims.

You're defending guys with swastikas?!? Aren't you ashamed?

I will shamelessly defend their right to display their symbols in public.

If that results in ignorant fools falsely conflating support of free speech with support of the message being spoken, so be it.

The right-wing had permission to be there. The commies/anarchists and SJWs did not.

No one is supposed to need permission to peaceably assemble in the US. Most of the counter protesters still had it.

And that is a notion that my soul doesn't really accept.

You can believe whatever you like, but the most pragmatic assumption regarding the beliefs of others is that, no matter what they happen to believe, they are at least as convinced of their own righteousness as you are.
 
You can believe whatever you like, but the most pragmatic assumption regarding the beliefs of others is that, no matter what they happen to believe, they are at least as convinced of their own righteousness as you are.

Strength of conviction is irrelevant. And I don't consider myself to be "righteous". Indeed it is my lack of "righteousness" that is a core tenet of my personal code of conduct. Within all of us exists the capacity to hate, to see what others have and be jealous and destructive, or to simply want more. The question I ask myself is - what do I sacrifice when I try to fulfill those desires? Am I sacrificing something of myself or using the sacrifices of others? And would it be fine with me if everyone else behaved in a similar fashion.

You should read some Kant. Pure reason, logic, and pragmatism is a philosophical dead end. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted" can lead to some quite horrific places.
 
You can believe whatever you like, but the most pragmatic assumption regarding the beliefs of others is that, no matter what they happen to believe, they are at least as convinced of their own righteousness as you are.

If they are a danger for the society, they must be eliminated (expelled or imprisoned), like the islamic radical preachers
 
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