The Xbox 1 server and server issues discussion thread.

I've not user either for years. Our company uses old school contracts, purchase orders and invoices to sell £50 million in software every year. (as you're willy waving!)

However you paid for a beta that may or may not get released. You won't get a credit back (see what I did there!) I promise.

Yeah, Paypal isn't going to give two squirts to the semantics pertaining to preview vs beta vs release. The PP rep who reviews the dispute deals with hundreds over the course of their day and isn't going to take the time to read any legalese pertaining to the purchase. They are going to take a very quick glance to make sure the customer's account is in good standing and make an immediate determination. For digital purchases they will side with the consumer since the net-loss to the merchant is very low as there is no shipped product. Unless the merchant can work out an arrangement with said consumer, which is highly unlikely as it would be Microsoft's merchant account affected, not FD, then the decision will stick. No, the merchant in this case will simply not respond, automation will remove the purchase from my Xbox Live account, and I'll receive a credit back to my PP account. Simple as that.

It happens with Steam all the time with their enormously irresponsible "Early Access" program, though they certainly don't want anyone talking about it. I hardly doubt that the Xbox Preview Program will be treated any different.

What most people don't understand is that all payment processors, whether it be Visa, Mastercard, Amex, or even PayPal, will always side with the consumer when it comes to online purchases. This is because they know it's quite simple for a consumer to move their business elsewhere just by selecting a different payment option during checkout. However, as an online merchant we have no choice other than to accept the processor's decision since we can't very well decide to stop accepting a particular form of payment because we're unhappy with the way they treat us. That's like telling your boss you can't accept your paper paycheck because your bank charges you fees for deposits. Lesser of two evils. They are so brazen in their disdain for merchants that the credit card associations even smack us with a "chargeback fee" (usually $25) every time one is lodged against us. So, get a chargeback, lose the sale, lose the money, AND lose $25 on top of everything else, with absolutely ZERO recourse. And I mean 0% chance of having a decision land in the merchant's favor. It just doesn't happen, period.

Anyways, this was a huge wasteful digression...

I'm still hopeful that FD can resolve the most egregious of these issues before launch as I really do enjoy the game when I'm not staring at a failed-to-connect message.
 
I suspect Microsoft will be on different t&c with their larger volumes!

Ultimately you're suggesting fraud. You may get away with it you may not.

Back to your point I only get kicked off if I'm inactive for a while. Which is annoying but consistent so I suspect may be deliberate.
 
I suspect Microsoft will be on different t&c with their larger volumes!

And why would PayPal agree to such special terms at the risk of losing consumers? Is Microsoft going to drop PayPal as a payment option. Not likely. No, PayPal provides no special treatment to large merchants beyond turning a blind-eye to acceptable content or advertising policies.

Ultimately you're suggesting fraud. You may get away with it you may not.

Please re-read my original statement. I'm not suggesting that anyone should try to acquire a refund during the Preview period. After October 6th the E:D Preview program ceases to exist and is replaced by the full release. If, at that time, the product is still deemed irrevocably broken and unplayable, the consumer has every right to request a refund. Ways to avoid this liability would have been to never release the full version OR charge again for the full version thus making the Preview version stand on it's own as a separate product. Since purchasing the preview version also bought you the rights to the full game upon release then this also extends the consumer with the same protections afforded those that skipped the preview and purchase on day 1 of release.

Back to your point I only get kicked off if I'm inactive for a while. Which is annoying but consistent so I suspect may be deliberate.

As annoying as that was, I no longer experience those kinds of idle time-outs. They were replaced by the anytime-anywhere disconnects many of us are plagued with now. Basically, I can't be connected long enough to idle-timeout.
 
I dunno, I've had my problems with the game at times...and sure, if the game was still buggy post final release AND IF you paid full retail after final release then I guess you might not be out of line. The word that springs immediately to mind when considering someone who might choose to exercise their option to pursue such a course as demanding a refund for a game they bought agreeing it wasn't finished yet AND paid half price on, AND played online for months...is petty.

It might not be technically fraud, but its not honest by any stretch, except perhaps honestly shady.
 
What server is the background sim on?

Full release or 1.4 beta?

I have found 5 undiscovered Earth-Likes within 250 ly of Sol and made over 10mil in exploration in the last 3 days. Is there still this much undiscovered soil this close to home or have we not merged with the main PC background sim?
 
There was a slowdown (in hyperspace) just a little while ago. Quickly delivered my cargo, sold my maps, then ate dinner. Now I'm reading this...
 
Its been really laggy for me tonight but I managed to stay on. ED devs are probably flipping switches and turning dials getting ready for tommrows headache.
 
Huge Loss with Update

So after downloading the update I login to find my faction rank gone, huge chunk of credits gone, and I'm back in a ship I had in the past... just delightful...
 
Presumably they need to restore and update an 8am backup to the live servers, so what is on there at the moment is old state that will be overwritten. They shouldn't be letting us connect, though...
 
I'm in noob ship too, had an almost full "A" rank Diamond Back Explorer and was loving it... Where is my ship and 1m+ credits? I bought the game a week ago...???
 
Servers are supposed to be down for 6 hours starting 50m ago...anyone who logs in before that and sees something that upsets them, but later on isn't an issue has only themselves to blame...in 6 hours if you still have a problem, THEN would be time to complain about it.
 
Good thing that information is so well posted on the console (not everyone who plays visits this forum). Your blunt commentary was amusing though. Carry on... ;)
 
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