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I actually was hoping for input from some of them, for what they would be willing to give up in compromise for other things. It isn't a compromise if only one side has to give something up. And I agree this is just to debate, we already know where FDev stands. Yet it is interesting the silence of some when they are offered a platform to speak and discuss not argue.
I absolutely love pvp, in eve 90% of my time is pvp, solo, small gang or large fleet. However here I don't bother not because I am scared, not because I can't get gud as I suspect if I could be bothered to git gud that just as I do in eve I would hand many players their . Here however pvp is totally pointless and I really cant be bothered with a side show like that. Even in eve I will only kill you if you are competing. I enter a wormhole if you are huffing gas I will let you get on with it and not bother you. You arent a danger and you aren't taking sites from me. Here it is I will kill you because you are a player rather than an npc. pointless and meaningless
Here what has to happen:
PF and PP becomes open only.
BGS vs NPC factions (what we have today) gives the SOLO player extra influence points since they are alone.
No flags - immersion and all that.
Rest stays the same.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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Agreed.
More stuff for the SOLO player:
Have fdev introduce OP weapons that can only be used in SOLO. Huge torpedoes/seekers, nukes and what not.
This way you can farm npcs and npcs factions even faster.
Npc wings, why not, including the cheating AI which fights on your side.
Have the ATR weapons availble for all ships.
Take anything you want, just stay away from indirect conflicts vs players, thats all I ever wanted.
Have fdev introduce OP weapons that can only be used in SOLO. Huge torpedoes/seekers, nukes and what not.
This way you can farm npcs and npcs factions even faster.
Npc wings, why not, including the cheating AI which fights on your side.
Have the ATR weapons availble for all ships.
Take anything you want, just stay away from indirect conflicts vs players, thats all I ever wanted.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
Well played whoever put this on there.
Haha. Too good.
EDIT: I bet it was Brett I know he likes to MEME
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Euw.... no need to go making the game easier for anyone. Solo and PG players like a challenge as much as anyone. Definitely more than those who like to fly OP gankmobiles killing newbies.
No, I only cut out the player vs player part. You still have your NPC BGS in SOLO. If you want to play SOLO, thats not a problem but you dont need to be playing against other players. You want SOLO no?
Ok was just a suggestion, as I said take whatever you want. Make your BGS NPC faction influence stronger than OPEN. Maybe some other bonuses you can think of.
Robert Maynard
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If PF and PP were to become Open Only then the "price" would likely be a PvP-flagging system - as everyone bought access to those features as part of the base game and not everyone gets involved in PvP - and as those features are currently implemented in all three game modes they cannot be considered to require PvP.
.... except that restricting any existing base game content to Open only fails the "can it still be played by a console player without premium platform access" test.
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The trick is to NOT take things away ONLY FROM ONE SIDE, but make things work the best for all. To compromise, Yet you are determined to take things away from others even if they were to agree to compromise. There are people in Solo and PGs who play for a power, not to screw others over but because they like that power, or maybe they are working towards a item. There are people in Solo or PGs who have or are a part of Player factions as well. Not wanting to play against other players in combat, for what ever reason, is why people are in Solo or in PGs like Mobius. They still want to play the game, help their faction. You are sticking by the PP and PFs HAVE to be PVP, have to be Open only... you are not compromising anything. You are only taking away from others then you make Craptastic comments like below.
This isn't a compromise, it is malarkey...
"Cheating AI", "Farming NPCs", Nukes, Huge torps, ext... farming faster.... pretty much means you are not up for discussing compromise, but instead insulting those who play Solo throwing out something so it barely "looks" like you are.
Why would PG/solo players want to do that? The point is, all modes are equal. Its all the same game, just with a choice of who you fly with.
This is why I've been quiet, because I tried this over a year ago and got the same response.
That's how I discovered the difference between real PvP'ers and just griefers / gankers.
Those making demands, are not real PvP'ers and are not trying to improve PvP or Elite.
Lucky for us, Frontier do read the forums and have seen what these "vocal few" are up to.
"There are people in PG and solo who play for power".
Ok! Nothing is changing for them. They can influence power of any NPC faction.
I gave you tons of compromise. Extra rewards in SOLO for influence of NPC factions. OP weapons in SOLO only.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Restricting existing content / features currently available in all game modes to a single mode is not a compromise.
i.e. player Factions are no different from NPC factions (as far as the game is concerned) and can be affected by players in all game modes.
Ok this has to change thats why this forum section is very active snd hotel California exists for 5 years.
These arguments are tedious ...... but damn good entertainment though!
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
This topic is active simply because Frontier have not capitulated to the demands of a subset of a subset of the player-base regarding the access to existing game content.
Whether it needs to change is a matter of opinion.
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