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Mouse has one, it's called Elite: Dangerous.

Where interactions with other players is optional and not required to advance in the game.


And I love exploring and have fun trading... only issue with the game is those who demand that EVERYONE PVP and EVERYONE play their game.


Sounds like a load of manure to me, but I'm not here to judge.

Maybe you should get a hobby that doesn't involve potential conflict.

I hear woodworking is relaxing.

Fun fact: open and solo are both only ever mentioned on the wings page under gameplay.

I have a hobby that doesn't involve potential human conflict.. see above.

And you can feel it is manure if you like... You are not the one having to Co-pay four different medications to deal with it and sleep. And have done some woodworking when my hands allow me.

And you are correct, not sure why when I typed "open" in find it didn't find it the first time *shrug*. Still think it is funny how you laugh that Solo is mentioned once.. yet your mode is the same... mentioned once.
 
I have issues with those who make blanket statements about "PvPcentric players", give ultimatums, and try to paint PvE and PvP as an us vs them scenario.

There is no practical reason not to give some extra incentive for activities happening in open. If you don't want to participate, fine!

It only hurts you in your mind.

If you only play in solo, you'll never see the difference. And since you're not directly competing with anyone, why should it matter to you?

Yet you suggest a fundamental change to open just to accommodate you, and couch it in terms that suggest it's just an equal trade off.

Then you go so far as to generously offer PvPers something they used to have anyway? That's some gall right there.

We used to have the ability to affect the BGS and PP via PvP... if only in small increments.


I wonder do you read through the mega threads and all of these threads? It isn't the PVErs who are panting crap as "us" vs "Them". It is certain players .... the ones who wants Open to be rewarded and solo and PG's to be penalized or not to effect anything. For Elite Dangerous to be Eve in a bloody cockpit and be OPEN ONLY... everyone forced to play in a PVPcentric universe. Players like Algo who demand that everyone should be his content if they play the game as it is intended to be played because he doesn't like others affecting the BGS in ways he refuses to even though those are the intended ways created by FDev to affect the BGS and PP.

There is no practical reason for extra incentives to be given to Open at all. Multiple people who PLAY IN OPEN have said it countless times. Plus Fdev has said repeatedly the modes are equal and to "incentives" to Open would negate that.

If you are talking about my opening Statement in this thread... you may want to do some research, Most of what I posted was suggested by 90's and other PVPcentric players... who want to change the game to accommodate THEM. I posted that IF PVErs were to accept the changes to make Solo and PG affect the BGS much less as much as those in Open... (where is that accommodating me?) What were PVPers willing to give up in compensation? The answer I got mainly was... NOTHING. Those in Solo and PGs are expected to give things up but Open players won't... again.. where is that accommodating to me? I even suggested letting PVP affect the BGS some... yet you claim what was offered accommodates me.

As for gall... Fdev pulled any ability to affect the BGS by PVP... you think PVErs were the reason for that? Now that is gall... you may want to look at the reasons why Fdev did that.

Some nice brownies are good for bad dreams. I like not remembering my dreams. A lot.

Your hobby allows for conflict though. You were around for the more difficult NPC interdictions. It's easy to imagine that they might swing back to that difficulty level at some point. Or if the NPC's start getting even more aggressive than they are now? What will you do then?

Maybe you should just lay off the video games if they leave you so potentially prone to nightmares.

For one, even though I live in a state where those "brownies" are legal, I am a Military Retiree and still subject to the Uniformed Code of Military Justice. Since the substance in the brownies is still classed as a Schedule I substance and federally illegal it is not wise for me to partake. Plus since my medical needs are mainly taken care of at the Veterans Administration. With as many times as I have to go there a month and the current Attorney General having a seemingly personal vendetta against the substance... no can do. Even though the V.A. has been trying for awhile to get it approved for medical purposes, their requests have fallen on deaf ears and their research on blind eyes.

As for NPCs though... that is not what triggers, for the most part, episodes and nightmares. The knowledge that a person is behind the controls on the other side vs a computer being in control is a key factor. As for laying off certain Video Games, I have. Heck, I was given Far Cry 5 as a gift. Cousin played through and talked to me about it and told me what happens and we decided not a good idea for me to play. I can watch some war movies, but anything dealing with modern situations, Black Hawk Down, Jarhead, etc.. I can't watch.



I never once said I wanted them to yank solo. I said they could kill solo mode, and nobody could do much about it if FDEV was determined to follow through.

I prefer PvP, it's true. But I do PvE crap all the time. Sometimes I even do it in solo!

Hell, I'm in the 50% bracket for the current bounty hunting CG, and only about 30% of my bounties have been from PvP (although I've given out a few nice bounties this week too).


I never said YOU don't do PVE... unless you are assuming when I said some PVPcentric Players meant you.

And you are wrong.. if they yanked Solo... there are things people can do about it. Has been done before, even with Elite Dangerous if I remember correctly. Was discussed before about how Fdev had to give kickstarter money back to those who were supporting offline mode. But it has been awhile since it was discussed.
 

Prole 217

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It is it's own content. It is a thing unto itself. If it is something you love to do, then do it. If it is not something you do not like to do, then do not do it. If it ceases being fun for you... then stop doing it. Stop asking for something extra. It does not need content. It is content.

"Doctor, i have this excruciating pain anywhere i touch myself" proceeds to touch his arm, chest, head, leg etc.
"Good news Mr. Jones, I know what the problem is, your finger is broken"

If you do not enjoy a mode dont play in it. Pretty simple; however, dont expect everyone else to share your viewpoint.
 
I have issues with those who make blanket statements about "PvPcentric players", give ultimatums, and try to paint PvE and PvP as an us vs them scenario.

Yet you're fine with blanket statements about PvE players and never post against 90s and Algo making it an "us Vs them scenario"

How weird you only have that view when it suits you.

There is no practical reason not to give some extra incentive for activities happening in open. If you don't want to participate, fine!

Yes there is, because it is a waste of Dev time for something that is not needed.
Anyone can play open mode and not face any "extra risk" - so the bonus isn't not needed or justified.
I could just tweak my network settings, load open and still only ever see my friends - so I'd get a bonus for not playing with you.

I'd rather the Devs spend their limited time on fixing bugs and making new content than waste it on something that is pointless.
Hows that for "practical" ?

If you only play in solo, you'll never see the difference. And since you're not directly competing with anyone, why should it matter to you?

Because we are indirectly competing.
Why should Solo / PG players have to work twice as hard to do the same thing you can do in Open in a BGS war?
When at the moment, all contributions are equal and only your own choice of how to play effects how efficient you are.

We used to have the ability to affect the BGS and PP via PvP... if only in small increments.

You still can with the BGS. All combat based missions can be completed killing the relevant type of players.
PP has always been about token pushing, so trying to shoe horn PvP with it was always daft (the Devs fault).
 

ALGOMATIC

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Yet you're fine with blanket statements about PvE players and never post against 90s and Algo making it an "us Vs them scenario"

How weird you only have that view when it suits you.



Yes there is, because it is a waste of Dev time for something that is not needed.
Anyone can play open mode and not face any "extra risk" - so the bonus isn't not needed or justified.
I could just tweak my network settings, load open and still only ever see my friends - so I'd get a bonus for not playing with you.

I'd rather the Devs spend their limited time on fixing bugs and making new content than waste it on something that is pointless.
Hows that for "practical" ?



Because we are indirectly competing.
Why should Solo / PG players have to work twice as hard to do the same thing you can do in Open in a BGS war?
When at the moment, all contributions are equal and only your own choice of how to play effects how efficient you are.



You still can with the BGS. All combat based missions can be completed killing the relevant type of players.
PP has always been about token pushing, so trying to shoe horn PvP with it was always daft (the Devs fault).

At least you admitted you are a solo underminer.
You do that for salt? Thats alot of dedication. Worse than killing winders in Eravate.
 
I dont care why you bought this game. If you are in open I will make you my content so you better learn to enjoy it.
Excellent sentiment dear Al. Let me tell you, it really inspires me to care in an equal amount about your issues with what you deem is fair with regard to BGS and PP.

If you (universal you, not you you, you only do 100% PvP) play the BGS, you better get PvEing, or PvEers will make you their content. Turnabout is fair play.
 

ALGOMATIC

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Excellent sentiment dear Al. Let me tell you, it really inspires me to care in an equal amount about your issues with what you deem is fair with regard to BGS and PP.

If you (universal you, not you you, you only do 100% PvP) play the BGS, you better get PvEing, or PvEers will make you their content. Turnabout is fair play.

Nonsense, if you dont like what I do in the game you can face me directly. If you undermine in solo.. well the game is protecting your precious self.
 
"Doctor, i have this excruciating pain anywhere i touch myself" proceeds to touch his arm, chest, head, leg etc.
"Good news Mr. Jones, I know what the problem is, your finger is broken"

If you do not enjoy a mode dont play in it. Pretty simple; however, dont expect everyone else to share your viewpoint.

That's great! See, that's how things are right now: Play however you want. I'm so glad we agree! Let's keep the game the way it is so that we can continue to play in the modes we enjoy, instead of tinkering with them so only people who play a certain mode get to enjoy all the content.
 
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Prole 217

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That's great! See, that's how things are right now: Play however you want. I'm so glad we agree! Let's keep the game the way it is so that we can continue to play in the modes we enjoy, instead of tinkering with them so only people who play a certain mode get to enjoy all the content.

Totally with you on that. Of course there could be things done to improve the game, thats a given, but mucking about with the modes is not one of them.
 

ALGOMATIC

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Totally with you on that. Of course there could be th loings done to improve the game, thats a given, but mucking about with the modes is not one of them.

The modes prevent having a balanced multiplayer content, and we have a proof in the form of PP failure. Squadrons will fail in a similar way, too bad they are waisting their time developing this.
 

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The modes prevent having a balanced multiplayer content, and we have a proof in the form of PP failure. Squadrons will fail in a similar way, too bad they are waisting their time developing this.

The modes permit those who don't enjoy direct PvP to still enjoy the game if they choose to leave Open.
 
At least you admitted you are a solo underminer.
You do that for salt? Thats alot of dedication. Worse than killing winders in Eravate.

Nice try, but I don't PP. So I neither fortify or undermine.

In fact I've been quite Open about doing passenger missions in and around Founders for the past 3 to 4 weeks in Open Mode and being completely safe doing it in my unarmed space coach.

As for multiplayer balance, if we remove PvP it is completely balanced.
It lame gankers going after unarmed targets in their engineered combat ships that makes multiplayer unbalanced.
If you want real multiplayer balance, you should support removing all PvP and pushing it into CQC - which is a balanced area for PvP.
 

Prole 217

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The modes prevent having a balanced multiplayer content, and we have a proof in the form of PP failure. Squadrons will fail in a similar way, too bad they are waisting their time developing this.

I am not sure what you mean by that. The modes existing are from what i have read the whole reason the game was able to get funded. And if PP is a failure why is there a whole sub-forum about it?

There is another thread that people are saying your router can prevent you from ever seeing another player even if you are in open, thats is crazy.

I would say its engineers and no defensive weapons for trade runners that prevents any balanced mp content not the modes. Not only that but even if you have a big faction its you against everybody even if they dont know they are attacking you so this line of double speak seems pointless.
 

ALGOMATIC

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I am not sure what you mean by that. The modes existing are from what i have read the whole reason the game was able to get funded. And if PP is a failure why is there a whole sub-forum about it?

There is another thread that people are saying your router can prevent you from ever seeing another player even if you are in open, thats is crazy.

I would say its engineers and no defensive weapons for trade runners that prevents any balanced mp content not the modes. Not only that but even if you have a big faction its you against everybody even if they dont know they are attacking you so this line of double speak seems pointless.

Router manipulation is cheating, go ahead and cheat who cares.

The existence of a PP subform doesnt mean it wasnt a failure. Its being used for module shopping.

Traders have more than enough defences if they stop running shieldess.
 
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