No I defend what works (or would work) for a specific title.
True dat. Although FD has an opportunity to not do the same implementation as gta.
This game just isn't worth playing at the moment
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No I defend what works (or would work) for a specific title.
True dat. Although FD has an opportunity to not do the same implementation as gta.
Well, since Operation: Kill the Gold Rush is in effect for the foreseeable future, can I haz ur stuff?
Cash doesn't = gameplay at all. I suppose it's really the only thing ED has going for it progression wise so that's what people do. Put it this way, if you made payouts 1/10th of what they are now - people wouldn't play the game so that's where your problems lie - the missions SUCK - if they didn't, nobody would care about the payout nerfs on the scale that they do here.
Just look at the threads where people moan all the time because of the grind or the payouts nerfed or the RNG is awful people are flying for 6 hours for materials to drop.
If the game play was that good, people wouldn't care so much about the payouts but they do - which shows the game severely laciks gameplay and that's what needs addressing and that's why we have Beyond.
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lol..... you are preaching to the choir my friend... my entire point of it is to protect my (and yours) style of play.... cash for credits would not effect me as i would not buy them. My entire premise is that i enjoy the long game FD gave is in 1.0, and on the flip side i DONT enjoy the cosmetics because they are not earnable in game.
having cash for credits like in the kickstarter actually stops the game becoming something that you claim it is not meant to be, but that many would suggest it is becomming.
But think about it - buying money because the games so awful you need to fast track it? Fix the game, don't steal from our wallets.
Also, it's predatory - all microtransactions are. Maybe not you you or me but there are people who get addicted and these corporations know it - and they are corporations, suits, shareholders - not gamers - they pay psychologists to work out ways to get more money of people who can't cope so well with their money. It's allowed to go on for years and it needs to stop.
Good games make their money - look at GTA 5 - it made over a billion. Do they need MORE money? Of course they don't and GTA 6 will make them another billion as will RDR2 - RS are literally sitting on a jackpot but you know damn well in RDR2 there's going to be online transactions that will make the gameplay worse, not better like it always does.
BTW - have you got the golden pistol and the 50 headshots?
you are making an erronius assumption imo that the early game is atrocious. If everyone objectively agreed this was so then you would be right.... but, for me that isnt the case.
now GTAV... its the 1st GTA to totally pass me buy i played the 1st one on ps1 iirc i spose i will pick it up one day. Does the VR mod still work on it?
Voice of reason over 'ere.
Funny, I think this game has started to become worth playing right when 3.0 dropped.
We can whine all we want, Elite is now leaps and bounds better than 6-8-12 months ago. The state some of the modules have been released in the past and some design decisions were downright insulting at the time.
Elite feels right now, there's still *a lot* of stuff to refine, like progression and rewards to make missions more organic, but overall it plays great and it's a good time to buy the game or come back with a fresh new save to experience the adventure from scratch.
We can whine all we want, Elite is now leaps and bounds better than 6-8-12 months ago. The state some of the modules have been released in the past and some design decisions were downright insulting at the time.
Elite feels right now, there's still *a lot* of stuff to refine, like progression and rewards to make missions more organic, but overall it plays great and it's a good time to buy the game or come back with a fresh new save to experience the adventure from scratch.
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indeed whilst i am quite vocal about things right now, with some tweaking 3.0x is still really promising imo
Don't blame you. Keep an eye on forum to see if things improve. All I'm doing.
Well. We might grief a CG into the ground just for old times sake.
XBOX hasn't had that in a long time.
Well. We might grief a CG into the ground just for old times sake.
XBOX hasn't had that in a long time.
you are making an erronius assumption imo that the early game is atrocious. If everyone objectively agreed this was so then you would be right.... but, for me that isnt the case.
now GTAV... its the 1st GTA to totally pass me buy i played the 1st one on ps1 iirc i spose i will pick it up one day. Does the VR mod still work on it?
Given the average play time for ED is 60 hours according to Braben, I'd say that whilst yes there's still some people playing it, it's not really many compared to how many bought it and there's scant few missions worth playing that aren't shallow and repetitive. So yes, the early game is attrocious because it's the same pretty much as the late game, isn't it?
GTA mods i'm not up on as I can't be bothered with all that but it could be really cool thinking about it. It's worth playing it just for the SP and it's 50-70 hours of gameplay? I might be off a little there but there's a lot to do and the story is brilliant. Highly recommend it!
Maybe Frontier should revert payouts back to the 1.0 version.
Try farming CZs when most of the ships only paid 2000 credits, bounty hunting paid peanuts and 1/2 mill credit missions were few and far between. If you made a couple of million in a play session you were happy. (Sounds like a Monty Python sketch I know).
Credits are so easy to come by now the game practically gives them away.
[Small EDIT - there were no missions boards to start with either]
Try farming CZs when most of the ships only paid 2000 credits, bounty hunting paid peanuts and 1/2 mill credit missions were few and far between. If you made a couple of million in a play session you were happy. (Sounds like a Monty Python sketch I know).
Credits are so easy to come by now the game practically gives them away.
[Small EDIT - there were no missions boards to start with either]
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In a game where an optional module costs more than the the ship itself, it has to be that way
What I *really* would like to see now is Planetary scans, assassinations, scavenger, black box and all of those missions (that I enjoy playing) pay as much as passenger missions and cargo missions (that I really don't like doing).
Whats TF2
In a game where an optional module costs more than the the ship itself, it has to be that way
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i suspect this is no longer doable, the horse is well and truly bolted, but as a thought exercise....
I believe it would have been better then to charge less for the modules for the larger ships so that they DONT cost more than the hull of the ship. ... but keep pay more tightly controlled.
that way the smaller ships still stay relevant but you are not facing a 100hr slog to get that 7A fuel scoop or what ever even after getting a conda.
keep the biggest cost of the ship in the hull and then the upgrades could be cheaper, but maybe make some of them hard to get, some even only gettable after doing a set number of missions etc and write in that they are few and far between.. i dunno... just an idea, which can never be implemented now.
Its not a terrible idea, credits cant buy engineering or guardian or teleport you to content.
It would mean people can buy a ship that can hold all aspects of gameplay at once and let people enjoy the content they paid for
How many people on the forums?
Does it match more than half of the almost 3 million or so copies sold.
If not then then it might time to listen to the casual player who wants what they paid for and to not be at the mercy or every nerf and break and cerfuffle that comes with each update as well as having to grind hard for a ship to escape the bubble and explore with srv fighter and the ability to maintain yourself. (2 afms and repair limpets).
Argument has been made 10000 times before just wish the forum Shieldmaidens would understand the game is bigger than them.
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Yes, I agree, It would give more space and freedom to experiment with builds too, which is only a good thing.
