This is why I worry about the future of ED - it's FDev themselves

[StuartGT]

What they are implying is that it's not Christ Roberts, so Elite will never be Star Citizen. Wew boi!

Phew, then it's a good thing that FDev won't become broke due to a heavily-delayed, over-budget game, resulting in a huge publisher buying out FDev and firing the top brass in order to release said game three years later.

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat their mistakes.

 

[Kubicide]

-Year-long delays
-Allows people to send death threats and legally-actionable harassment to people that play the game in a way they don't like, and fostering a toxic community in general as a means to force critics away.
-"exploits are only exploits if PvPers use them"
-Instantly fixes "exploits" that allow people to actually make a meaningful amount of money for the amount of work they put in but leaves bugs in that have been present since 1.0
-Pushing back content promised in updates to sell it back to the playerbase in a future expansion
-Complete and total lack of transparency, leaving the playerbase to have nothing to go on until updates are imminent
-Told financiers they view elite as a small side franchise they work on and not their main focus
-Ceasleess DoA updates that still don't work to this day
-Wasted dev time on mini games nobody plays
-Taken almost 4 years to finally decide that the recurring criticism of "mile wide inch deep" from nearly every person that has ever played this game was valid and actually decide to start reworking core mechanics rather than giving us more broken and buggy garbage


"Everything is fine, frontier can do absolutely no wrong".

There's a difference between dev bashing and having actual, genuine concerns about the future of the game based on the myriad of worrying decisions made by the devs.

All of this is completely true. And its also the reason I dont think more big releases are coming. Not for Elite. I think its the Winter release, and then...maintenance mode. Wherein, they will continue to be "excited for, and interested in" making cool new content...right up until so many people are sick of the promises, that the low server population justifies shutting out the lights on this money sink of a broken tech demo.

Yep. Have to agree here. (Not sure what happened to you both but since I can't rep you this reply will have to do...)

 

[Kubicide]

@Stuart the website seems to be acting up as replying with quote seems to want to include prior multi-quotes. But to your reply I wouldn't say they're trolling anymore than many others. And what was posted is simply an opinion on the history of this game which is technically correct from what I saw living through it. Oh well...

 

[BoggiBlanko]

Yep. Have to agree here. (Not sure what happened to you both but since I can't rep you this reply will have to do...)

Stop whining around, everything will be fine! Sometimes no news is good news!

 

[fu9ar]

There's a war on! Go fight some Thargoids! They are attacking three systems this week!

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...tacks-Where-When-and-What-you-can-do-about-it

 

[Ralph Vargr]

If you don't like the game, nor improvements along its same vision, you shouldn't have bought it.




Indeed. CEO David Braben, CCO Jonny Watts, Exec Producers Michael Brookes and Gary Richards, and roughly 5% of content creation devs.

Not 2.8%?

 

[Shinji Ikari]

There's a war on! Go fight some Thargoids! They are attacking three systems this week!

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...tacks-Where-When-and-What-you-can-do-about-it

Only ​three?

 

[NMS]

-Year-long delays
-Allows people to send death threats and legally-actionable harassment to people that play the game in a way they don't like, and fostering a toxic community in general as a means to force critics away.
-"exploits are only exploits if PvPers use them"
-Instantly fixes "exploits" that allow people to actually make a meaningful amount of money for the amount of work they put in but leaves bugs in that have been present since 1.0
-Pushing back content promised in updates to sell it back to the playerbase in a future expansion
-Complete and total lack of transparency, leaving the playerbase to have nothing to go on until updates are imminent
-Told financiers they view elite as a small side franchise they work on and not their main focus
-Ceasleess DoA updates that still don't work to this day
-Wasted dev time on mini games nobody plays
-Taken almost 4 years to finally decide that the recurring criticism of "mile wide inch deep" from nearly every person that has ever played this game was valid and actually decide to start reworking core mechanics rather than giving us more broken and buggy garbage


"Everything is fine, frontier can do absolutely no wrong".

There's a difference between dev bashing and having actual, genuine concerns about the future of the game based on the myriad of worrying decisions made by the devs.

All of this is completely true. And its also the reason I dont think more big releases are coming. Not for Elite. I think its the Winter release, and then...maintenance mode. Wherein, they will continue to be "excited for, and interested in" making cool new content...right up until so many people are sick of the promises, that the low server population justifies shutting out the lights on this money sink of a broken tech demo.

Rep to you guys...it´s ED, Enjoy.[yesnod]

 

[V'larr]

Yes, yes they do, and I don't get it. There are loads of people who post who don't play the game anymore because it's "rubbish and boring"
You need to read the forums more

I think you ought to think more about what I said about caring, and about what you replied with here, and get back to me. If you still come up empty, then I fear I can't help you understand.

Note that many individual's communication skills can leave things to be desired.

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Maybe they are dreadful, someone in another thread just suggested being stuck in an escape pod as immersive and exciting gameplay.

I did say many, not all...being stuck in an escape pod *could* become an exciting game, for all we know, but I'd agree it's a fairly daft one for Elite, except for those gamers who want the darkest of Dark Souls in space.

It stems from people buying a game with a shared BGS optional PVP and separate modes then deciding its just not good enough after the fact. Simply the result of poor pre-purchase research and not worth discussing, hence me never posting in Hotel California.

Eh, deep pre-purchase research isn't a common thing though - it's not reasonable to presume someone will research a game's behind-the-scenes nitty-gritty game mechanics before getting into the game. I myself didn't know diddly squat about the BGS or trading or anything with Elite when I first got into it, that all came after I tried it, which was for the reason of "this looks like a reasonable spaceship game...and it's, like, released, not like that Star Citizen mess I've been hearing about since 2011 on the WoT forums".

On top of that, blaming the consumer is bad business. I find that amidst the chaos of opinions and critiques offered, commonly shared ones tend to be right more than they are wrong. That's just evolution taking place. If it's a commonly held view that Elite has these certain flaws that are identified by the same terms by many different people...they're probably onto something that ought to be improved upon.

I have no idea how you voted or why, and no reason to remember what you said way back then if I even read it in the first place. I just voted the way I wanted and gave it no further thought.

And yet you launched right into an assumption about me, what I voted, and why? That's pretty lame, to put it nicely.

You're the one who can't or won't explain their massive enduring objection to a trivial video game change made a few years ago. Maybe you should just try to come to terms with it.

I have explained myself whenever possible, Bob. As I've already said, there's only so much I can do about your comprehension.

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Regarding the last couple pages:
I want to believe that there's a green pasture to look forward to in this playpen we've been given - that someone's going to come out and start worrying about all these brown patches and spruce things up a bit, rather than continually trying to herd the fanbase to new pastures over and over leaving behind a path of disarray. (Is that what the cowboy hat is for after all?)

What I'm still currently seeking, is a good reason to hope. Maybe like finally getting a response about the crew NPC issues outlined in my signature? I dunno. Can't poll about it to see if there's public support these days, after all....

 

[Cmdr Snuffler]

I think you ought to think more about what I said about caring, and about what you replied with here, and get back to me. If you still come up empty, then I fear I can't help you understand.

I think it's you who clearly does not understand. You made stuff up and said its nonsense that ppl post but don't play.
I suggest you learn to read and go dig around in the forums before making made up statements.
Making up statements to fit your narrative is weak.

 

[Jenner]

Lets stick to the subject please. Discuss the topic, not the posters.

 

[Stigbob]

I did say many, not all...being stuck in an escape pod *could* become an exciting game, for all we know, but I'd agree it's a fairly daft one for Elite, except for those gamers who want the darkest of Dark Souls in space.

I'd say daft suggestions outweigh good ones.

Eh, deep pre-purchase research isn't a common thing though - it's not reasonable to presume someone will research a game's behind-the-scenes nitty-gritty game mechanics before getting into the game. I myself didn't know diddly squat about the BGS or trading or anything with Elite when I first got into it, that all came after I tried it, which was for the reason of "this looks like a reasonable spaceship game...and it's, like, released, not like that Star Citizen mess I've been hearing about since 2011 on the WoT forums".

That's how people learn to look first and their own preferences so they can make informed choices in future.

On top of that, blaming the consumer is bad business. I find that amidst the chaos of opinions and critiques offered, commonly shared ones tend to be right more than they are wrong. That's just evolution taking place. If it's a commonly held view that Elite has these certain flaws that are identified by the same terms by many different people...they're probably onto something that ought to be improved upon.

Trying to mollycoddle someone who bought the wrong thing is pointless, you can't change that with tweaks and patches. Especially if what they ask is an alteration at the foundation level like get rid of SC or force everyone into open. Its an unrealistic standpoint they will never be satisfied cut to the chase and say no straightaway.

And yet you launched right into an assumption about me, what I voted, and why? That's pretty lame, to put it nicely.

I have explained myself whenever possible, Bob. As I've already said, there's only so much I can do about your comprehension.

Whatever, I made assumptions because of your repeated refusal to explain your position and you thinking incorrectly that I would somehow know what you said about it a few years ago.

Since you are not willing to explain your position, I'll just assume its an unsupportable one.

 

[V'larr]

I think it's you who clearly does not understand. You made stuff up and said its nonsense that ppl post but don't play.
I suggest you learn to read and go dig around in the forums before making made up statements.
Making up statements to fit your narrative is weak.

What on earth are you even talking about here? Clearly you failed to take my advice, but you turned it up a notch by making stuff up about *me* making stuff up? What the frell? I'd tell you to take your own medicine with your final attempt at a jab there, but if you're not prone to taking my advice to begin with, there's just no helping you.

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I'd say daft suggestions outweigh good ones.

Depends on what you're looking for, I'd say....

That's how people learn to look first and their own preferences so they can make informed choices in future.

That's...not reasonable to expect, as I had just said. Nobody's going to be looking at Elite at first glance and begin considering the ramifications of a shared BGS as it relates to PvP content.

Trying to mollycoddle someone who bought the wrong thing is pointless, you can't change that with tweaks and patches. Especially if what they ask is an alteration at the foundation level like get rid of SC or force everyone into open. Its an unrealistic standpoint they will never be satisfied cut to the chase and say no straightaway.

It's not 'mollycoddling' to avoid turning people away. Elite has enough potential to have something for everyone. Requests to get rid of things like supercruise or force open-only are pretty straightforward to deal with. (And shall I point out there was a time the game wasn't going to have any supercruise?) Presuming that it's not worth bothering with is a self-fulfilling prophecy of being doomed to failure.

Whatever, I made assumptions because of your repeated refusal to explain your position and you thinking incorrectly that I would somehow know what you said about it a few years ago.

Since you are not willing to explain your position, I'll just assume its an unsupportable one.

"Refusal to explain my position"? I could not possibly have explained things any more plainly. Here you go again, being lame. If you don't get it, go back and read. What purpose is it serving to try getting under my skin with such a sham? Really, *my* view is unsupportable because *you* are the one dismissing things with a hand-wave?