Those of you with multiple accounts - "Non helm MultiCrew players now provide an additional single power distribution pip"

Ginrikuzuma

Ginrikuzuma
Simple solution would be to just eliminate these magic pips
Unless your PDs are fueled by human pilots they make no sense why more people on a ship should give you more pips.



Or at the very least like the edit in OP, don't give them a pip if they are inactive and not doing something (although that can also potentially be circumvented I would imagine by running a script to have the second account move so they don't appear to be inactive)
 

NeilF

NeilF
Well, from a first report it seems there is something to be concerned about. I've heard it is easy to run two ED's on one PC and then multi-crew with yourself.

What I'm waiting for now is clarification on can you multicrew into a ship set up tp abuse the mechanics. eg:-
- Can you not even have any turrets, but an AFK gunner sitting there giving you an extra pip?
- I assume you have to have a fighter on board to have a multicrew pilot, but I assume they can just sit there doing nothing and giving an extra pip?
 
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Marcus Tullius

Marcus Tullius
C’mon people, you have to understand that ED is a business project. Most of MMO games give a benefit for those running 2 or more accounts, why ED should be different?
 

Truesilver

Truesilver
Wolf Starslayer said:
So according to live stream it's not just free pip's; you also get discounted re-buy. So pay for a 2nd account and profit; and they have said this is fine :(
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So did they say something about it being fine? (Not watched.)

NeilF said:
Well, from a first report it seems there is something to be concerned about. I've heard it is easy to run two ED's on one PC and then multi-crew with yourself.

What I'm waiting for now is clarification on can you multicrew into a ship set up tp abuse the mechanics. eg:-
- Can you not even have any turrets, but an AFK gunner sitting there giving you an extra pip?
- I assume you have to have a fighter on board to have a multicrew pilot, but I assume they can just sit there doing nothing and giving an extra pip?
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I have assumed from the outset that precisely all of your worst fears are correct, NeilF, and not the slightest thing has occurred so far to shift me from that position.
 

Korben Dallas

Korben Dallas
Having multiple accounts is not a crime. I myself who own a single account was planning on getting a second one (even before multicrew was a fact) so I could do some goofey stuff online, since I use the other one pretty much solo all the time.

I'm all for removing the extra pips. I'm not on steam. I can run the launcher only once. You can not even launch two sessions with different commander names.

You're gonna need an extra computer to exploit it to full potential. Now I personally know of parents who play ED with their kids on different PC's. You cannot deny people that opportunity.

So removing the extra pips is indeed a good solution. Why should the ship get extra power in the first place because someone is sitting in the chair is beyond me, but then again a lot of FD's multicrew gameplay mechanics defy logic.

I don't understand WHY they waste valuable resources and time to introduce and implement new illogical and unfair mechanics that are putting everybody off, instead of using that time and those programming skills on much more needed basic content (like the many still borked missions and multicrew for multiple SRV's).

FD are you reading this, or are you just ignoring our pleas further???
 
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NeilF

NeilF
Korben Dallas said:
Having multiple accounts is not a crime. I myself who own a single account was planning on getting a second one (even before multicrew was a fact) so I could do some goofey stuff online, since I use the other one pretty much solo all the time.

I'm all for removing the extra pips. I'm not on steam. I can run the launcher only once. You can not even launch two sessions with different commander names.

You're gonna need an extra computer to exploit it to full potential. Now I personally know of parents who play ED with their kids on different PC's.

So removing the extra pips is indeed a good solution. Why should the ship get extra power in the first place because someone is sitting in the chair is beyond me, but then again a lot of FD's multicrew gameplay mechanics defy logic.
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I don't understand why the fighter crew member needs/deserves an extra pip?

And worse case, only add the gunner's actual pip into the ship's distributor WHEN then are in gunner view with turrets?

ps: It has been confirmed to me you can run the extra account(s) on just a single modest PC. I'm waiting for more detail on this.

ps: We are of course assume the multi-crew pips are EXTRA energy (over 6 standard pips)... This will need to be confirmed... But I think it is likely.

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Ian Phillips said:
Profit?

Have your ship destroyed to profit? Please explain to me how you profit by having lost a ship?
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You're toying with his meaning... And I think you know it ;)

He means that simply having an AFK crew member sitting on your ship now magically gets you a cheaper rebuy too? (I didn't hear this myself, so news to me)
 
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krylite

krylite
I thought multicrew might be good for the griefer problem. So a victim player could open up their ship for some gunner to help out with defense since most griefers seem to be lone bullies. They said in the stream they would see how it works out with balance and all that. Maybe change the bonus pip to a half-pip.
 

Blaize Meduenin

B
From live stream Q&A

Multi-account exploits? Double profits by being idle and pip bonus etc? Don't really see that as a problem. If someone's willing to buy game twice to get mild benefits, maybe big benefits, we're not going to stop them.
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Such hypocrites!

They said they wont put things in store that effect gameplay as they dont want people using real money to get an in game advantage, but thats exactly what this does!
 

Korben Dallas

Korben Dallas
NeilF said:
ps: It has been confirmed to me you can run the extra account(s) on just a single modest PC. I'm waiting for more detail on this.

ps: We are of course assume the multi-crew pips are EXTRA energy (over 6 standard pips)... This will need to be confirmed... But I think it is likely.
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Yes I saw what Jesters said... however, I can ASSURE you that it is not possible with my flavour of ED. I am an Alpha backer, so I did not buy the game on Steam. I am also on PC, so I cannot speak for console owners who have the luxury of running multiple consoles on different TV's, like Fraulein Terminatrixxx here.

I made you a screenshot of the error message I get when wanting to run 2 instances of the FDlaucher.exe. Since you need the launcher to log into the game with your account, you cannot run the same launcher twice in order to log in with a different commander name at the same time. Sometimes it takes a while before the launcher kicks in and therefore I click on it again when I think it has failed to launch. That is the reason I know this.

If you have 2 PC's with 2 steam accounts or 2 PC's with 2 standalone accounts like mine yes it can (logically) be done. However even if you want to do this for this reason... who are you really cheating but yourself? Those people; unlike us who PLAY ed; really need a new hobby. It reminds me of that broad that supposedly 'won' the Florida marathon... by cheating it... on a bicycle ...and got caught. Giggles guaranteed of course.

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Also, if by some arcane magic you are able to run three instances of ED at once on 1 PC, it will fry your eggs for sure, but how well will it run the game? will it still be playable. Don't forget we're talking about serious gaming power here if only 1 machine is involved; never mind running this in VR. You will bring your PC to its knees or fry its internals for want of better FPS.

If Jesters has different accounts on Steam it could be less restrictive, I agree; but AFAIK you cannot run 2 steam instances with different logins neither on 1 machine at the same time. You need to log off and log on as another user. But if that is genuinely possible, prove me wrong, I'd like to see it! With the original FDlauncher (as the screenshot shows above) it is impossible.

But this issue (which deserves full focus) could again be a case of a 'Kansas City Shuffle' for us to focus on, so that FD can push through the other equally absurd game mechanics that this update is already famous for, and get away with it.
 
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Comrade Napoleon

Comrade Napoleon
If I had to worry about what other people do, I would have to worry about 7 billion humans.
I refuse to do that.
Let people do as the do and include or exclude them by their actions.
I have no further statements in this case.

Cheers Cmdr's
 

Asp Explorer

Asp Explorer
I've dragged up a couple of old rigs with R9's, a few MacBooks, an impossibly awful E1, a Titan X and my mates 1080, and going to see just how many accounts we can cram into an instance with native IPv6 :)
 

Marcus Tullius

Marcus Tullius
Korben Dallas said:
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It works fine on one PC. Copy – Paste game folder, the same with launcher with new target folder; start primary account on ultra and second on low graphics. The GPU processes first ordered – first served, so the second account is lagging like hell, but primary is fine. I’m running this configuration ;)

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NeilF

NeilF
Blaize Meduenin said:
From live stream Q&A



Such hypocrites!

They said they wont put things in store that effect gameplay as they dont want people using real money to get an in game advantage, but thats exactly what this does!
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It that what they said? REALLY? WOW!

And if you can indeed join a ship say without even turrets that's the icing on the cake to me! (Assuming the exta pip is extra energy - TBC)
 
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