Hardware & Technical Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS official thread

[MaddcapETC]

Has anyone that uses full range tried to make the midpoint able to be felt? I know I could toss on some stickers or mark it with a silver ink sharpie but I don't wan't to be looking down at it, and I'm trying to make the game more immersive, hence looking less at my speed indicator and feeling the middle.
Has anyone tried putting stickers on their rails at 0, or scoring with a knife/file/soldering iron so there is a tick you can feel at that 0 point between reverse and forwards?

 

[MaddcapETC]

Nm, found a way to do it, velcro for detent. Genius.

 

[Jaiotu]

Has anyone that uses full range tried to make the midpoint able to be felt? I know I could toss on some stickers or mark it with a silver ink sharpie but I don't wan't to be looking down at it, and I'm trying to make the game more immersive, hence looking less at my speed indicator and feeling the middle.
Has anyone tried putting stickers on their rails at 0, or scoring with a knife/file/soldering iron so there is a tick you can feel at that 0 point between reverse and forwards?

My solution was magnets: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...icial-thread?p=5496483&viewfull=1#post5496483

 

[ChopperGreg]

Your choice. You can bind it to "Full Range" in which case the mid point is zero and you pull back to reverse, or "Forward Only" in which case full back is zero and you assign a button, either hold or toggle, for reverse.

Personally I have gone for Full Range with some Velcro to make a detent at the mid point: https://www.reddit.com/r/hotas/comments/5fjcki/velcro_centre_detent_for_thrustmaster_twcs/

Just a bit of aircraft trivia....

C-130's actually use the Forward Only method.
To reverse thrust ( while on the ground ), they bring the throttles back to idle, reverse the pitch on the propellers, and then run the throttles forward again.

 

[Jaiotu]

Just a bit of aircraft trivia....

C-130's actually use the Forward Only method.
To reverse thrust ( while on the ground ), they bring the throttles back to idle, reverse the pitch on the propellers, and then run the throttles forward again.

Trivia: I have C-130s flying over my house low to the ground almost weekly. It's almost a free air show.

 

[ChopperGreg]

Ditto.

 

[DragonIV]

Trivia: I have C-130s flying over my house low to the ground almost weekly. It's almost a free air show.

Almost daily for me. National Guard Air Base 2 miles from my house, housed a number of C130s that do all sorts of interesting sorties, like the polar rescue missions like the one described here: https://dailygazette.com/article/2016/12/01/glenvilles-109th-rescue-buzz-aldrin-south-pole

They do training flights all the time, practicing air drops of various cargos. Fun stuff!

 

[ChopperGreg]

Almost daily for me. National Guard Air Base 2 miles from my house, housed a number of C130s that do all sorts of interesting sorties, like the polar rescue missions like the one described here: https://dailygazette.com/article/2016/12/01/glenvilles-109th-rescue-buzz-aldrin-south-pole

They do training flights all the time, practicing air drops of various cargos. Fun stuff!

Know what you mean...we have a local AF (non-NG) unit that has finished transitioning into J models - and every once in a while we get an AC-130 that stops by in route to another base.

A lot of people go for fighters, but there is something about a bird that has been flying in one form or another for over 60 years, and has done all the things that the 130 has done.

 

[MaddcapETC]

One more question.

FedEx has stalled my order and I have been thinking about different configurations and all sorts of things. I came to the realization that I might have to manually decrease my speed on approach in supercruise to hit blue. Can you just use a normal button to hit 75% and have it override the throttle? If that doesn't work do you just ease back at 7 seconds and practice?

 

[Faded Glory]

FedEx has stalled my order and I have been thinking about different configurations and all sorts of things. I came to the realization that I might have to manually decrease my speed on approach in supercruise to hit blue. Can you just use a normal button to hit 75% and have it override the throttle? If that doesn't work do you just ease back at 7 seconds and practice?

Yes, you can bind speed controls to keyboard if you want. Just be aware that obviously this doesn't actually move the throttle, so if / when you then touch the throttle it overrides the key press back to where the throttle is.

Personally I just use the throttle to move it into the blue zone, but in any case I have started using a rift, so pressing the right key on the keyboard would be a challenge.

 

[Beylix]

Just ordered one of these, I'm not entirely sold on it but would like to try it in the interim to better things which I can't yet afford, even so, I suspect it will more than likely end up going back to Amazon.

 

[Jaiotu]

Just ordered one of these, I'm not entirely sold on it but would like to try it in the interim to better things which I can't yet afford, even so, I suspect it will more than likely end up going back to Amazon.

I think you'll like the stick. The Throttle? It could have been better. Don't get me wrong ... it gets the job done.

 

[VerticalBlank]

The throttle is a lot better if you re-lubricate it. White lithium grease is an improvement, Nyogel 767A is a massive improvement.

 

[Avago Earo]

Help Please​

Had my T1600m FCS five months ago. This was an upgrade from the T-Flight Hotas X.

I need some advice regarding the stick. No matter what height or distance I place the stick, I just can't get comfortable. My thumb hurts so much I can only give it an hour or so. I've hardly played since March, because of this. I'm 6' 4" and have fairly large hands. The palm rest is too low, and the angle of the thumb rest is awful (for me). The stick also seems to thin. I've tried resolving this, by putting a headphone pad over the palm rest, to reduce the distance to the top of the stick and removing the thumb rest. But my thumb was still overstretched due to the thinness of the stick, because my hand being in such close proximity widthways to the buttons and hat forced my thumb in a vertical position. So I put some padding on the rear side of the stick to move my palm back into a more open posture, but it's still quite painful.

I am using a chair that I modified for HOTAS, and have tried nearly every position I can. There's probably one more position to try but I don't think it will make a difference (another inch forward). I've even looked at the ED cockpit interior to make comparisons.

I never had this problem with the Hotas X; it fitted perfectly. The precision on the 16000 is fantastic, so I really want to like this stick. I've looked all over the web but there's no mention of my problem. (I play fast electric guitar for hours and my hands feel fine).

So am I missing something? The only thing that might cause it is that I haven't fitted arm/elbow rests to my chair (yet), so maybe that would help? I doubt it as it's the pulled back angle of my thumb that's hurting. Like permanently hitch hiking whilst applying pressure.

Any advice would be appreciated and if I find a solution, I'll post it on this thread.

 

[KellyR]

Help Please​

Had my T1600m FCS five months ago. This was an upgrade from the T-Flight Hotas X.

I need some advice regarding the stick. No matter what height or distance I place the stick, I just can't get comfortable. My thumb hurts so much I can only give it an hour or so. I've hardly played since March, because of this. I'm 6' 4" and have fairly large hands. The palm rest is too low, and the angle of the thumb rest is awful (for me). The stick also seems to thin. I've tried resolving this, by putting a headphone pad over the palm rest, to reduce the distance to the top of the stick and removing the thumb rest. But my thumb was still overstretched due to the thinness of the stick, because my hand being in such close proximity widthways to the buttons and hat forced my thumb in a vertical position. So I put some padding on the rear side of the stick to move my palm back into a more open posture, but it's still quite painful.

I am using a chair that I modified for HOTAS, and have tried nearly every position I can. There's probably one more position to try but I don't think it will make a difference (another inch forward). I've even looked at the ED cockpit interior to make comparisons.

I never had this problem with the Hotas X; it fitted perfectly. The precision on the 16000 is fantastic, so I really want to like this stick. I've looked all over the web but there's no mention of my problem. (I play fast electric guitar for hours and my hands feel fine).

So am I missing something? The only thing that might cause it is that I haven't fitted arm/elbow rests to my chair (yet), so maybe that would help? I doubt it as it's the pulled back angle of my thumb that's hurting. Like permanently hitch hiking whilst applying pressure.

Any advice would be appreciated and if I find a solution, I'll post it on this thread.

That is odd. I used the T-Flight HOTAS X and it felt fine just as this one does. Hmmm. Well, you probably aren't going to like this, but I just don't see a solution for the T.16000 stick. I'd recommend seeing if you could find a TM Warthog on display and see if that feels any better. I know, I know; $400.00 USD or more but you get what you pay for. Either that or a CH stick. But the important thing is to test them first or get a money back guarantee in case they don't fit your hand. Sorry I couldn't be of any more help.

 

[CMDR MAIN SEQUENCE]

@Avago Ero

I would agree that the ergonomics of the stick (and indeed the throttle) are not great, but in fairness to TM it's impossible to build a HOTAS that fits all hands perfectly. My hands are almost certainly smaller than yours and at the start of a session when I first put my hand on the stick I too feel like my thumb is being stretched (in fact I remember the first time I used it I thought "this could be a problem") however I find that whilst playing my hand will naturally move to a more comfortable position without me thinking about it. For example, my hand hardly ever touches the palm rest because if it does my thumb has to stretch further to reach the buttons. I think I might use the palm rest only during quieter moments such as supercruise. So I would suggest to try to hold your hand higher up the stick. Just make sure to not grip the stick too tight - during a long combat session for example I have to regularly stop and stretch my forearm muscles. And maybe try rotating your hand clockwise or anti-clockwise an inch or so to see if that feels more comfortable. In either case an arm rest might help here to take some strain off your wrist.

 

[Avago Earo]

@Avago Ero

I would agree that the ergonomics of the stick (and indeed the throttle) are not great, but in fairness to TM it's impossible to build a HOTAS that fits all hands perfectly. My hands are almost certainly smaller than yours and at the start of a session when I first put my hand on the stick I too feel like my thumb is being stretched (in fact I remember the first time I used it I thought "this could be a problem") however I find that whilst playing my hand will naturally move to a more comfortable position without me thinking about it. For example, my hand hardly ever touches the palm rest because if it does my thumb has to stretch further to reach the buttons. I think I might use the palm rest only during quieter moments such as supercruise. So I would suggest to try to hold your hand higher up the stick. Just make sure to not grip the stick too tight - during a long combat session for example I have to regularly stop and stretch my forearm muscles. And maybe try rotating your hand clockwise or anti-clockwise an inch or so to see if that feels more comfortable. In either case an arm rest might help here to take some strain off your wrist.

Cheers. Yeah I suspect as much. I do find my hand 'settles in' after a while as well, but it's the first 3/4 hour that hurts. Perhaps if I play more and take breaks, it will form into 'muscle memory', and my hand will assume a more suitable position off the bat. It's a great stick, so I want to keep it if I can overcome this obstacle (it even matches my seats colour scheme!!!).

Thanks again, this gives me some hope.

 

[maviasura]

guys is there any nice binds for t1600m ? (not default binds..)

 

[wolferr]

I just ordered mine. I've been using the HOTAS X, but wasn't happy with the quality or responsiveness. Can't wait.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

Do the two modules have their own USB cables, or are they joined together like say, an X52?