You can’t agree on what balance is! How would the developer know? You’re all your own worst sodding enemies. You know that, right?
lol.
Time for a server reset?
- Thread starter oscarolim
- Start date
You can’t agree on what balance is! How would the developer know? You’re all your own worst sodding enemies. You know that, right?
lol.
What is needed is a parallel Ironman universe to be created.*
(*not holding my breath)
(*not holding my breath)
Patching all of stuff like that and then adding a couple of 3kk credit ships would be enough
Great. I reset 2 recently. One is now hardcore (ship dies I die and the save is reset). This has nothing to do with a server reset and doesn’t change people being offended by the developers choices.
No amount of resetting will solve that.
verminstar
Banned
That would be motivation suicide considering what Ive already done and still faced with now...no way I wanna go through that all over again without a few gold rushes to ease the pain a little. I can take the salt and the accusations of being an I want it all now kinda player, but a hard reset? Bye bye game ^
What dread a new player must face reading through these sorta sentiments when just about nobody wants to go through it again...one can but imagine the horrors that await them ^
What dread a new player must face reading through these sorta sentiments when just about nobody wants to go through it again...one can but imagine the horrors that await them ^
Last edited:
While you're "lol"ing there like the village idiot, maybe you want to consider my point as exactly that balance will never seen to be properly achieved, and without that, what's the point in a reset.
Balance is easy. Just give me what I want and the the hell with everyone else.
Ahhh...perfect balance.
lol, another one of these. And no.
They tend to come around whenever there's a bit update. xD
is be happier if they shut the servers completely and let us play offline. That way i could play how i like without people moaning and whining about how they had it hard so everyone need it hard.
Serious question, why? what other game has done so in any similar situation?
No Way!
Let's talk about Progression.
There is none. There never has been, and it's unlikely there ever will be.
You accumulate credits and standings through a very mechanical, mindless process of repetition, but you're not progressing.
Let's start with Trade. You begin your existence as a "Harmless" ranked trader. You buy two tons of Hydrogen Fuel at your starter station, fly one station over and sell them for 5 Cr profit. While you're there, you buy 2 tons of Biowaste, fly them back to your starter system and sell them for 10 cr profit. Net profit: 15 Cr.
You could potentially continue to do this exact same thing until you're awarded the rank of Elite trader.
Now, as Elite Trader, you should be heralded for your shrewd business acumen, respected by other traders for your knowledge and experience, sought by pirates for fine goods you carry - but this is not the case. You're not "Elite", just persistent.
Exploration: You fly in pretty much a straight line, honking and scooping from your starter system to the edge of the galaxy and back. You sell a load of cartographic data, none listing any new discoveries, just reinforcing what has long since been known. You've encountered no alien life, nor even detail scanned a single world, nor even boldly gone where countless others have gone before.. you simply accumulated data in bulk. You're no Columbus, no Polo, no Erikson. Your title is Elite, your ability: Persistent.
Combat: Taking your earning from all that trade and all that exploration data, you fit yourself into an Anaconda. A beast of a ship against skill-less low leveled NPC's, and more than suited for high level NPC's. You park yourself in a Haz RES, leaving turrets set to Fire At Will, a bit of pirate bait in your hold, and go away on a weekend holiday, while your ship does all the work for you over the course of the weekend. You return to a massive amount of credits to your name, bounties to cash in, and the Rank of Elite in Combat. You're a cunning, fierce warrior, who stands out among your peers, right?
You've progressed, right? No. You've Endured.
Your character is unchanged. You react no faster, have gained no special abilities suiting your "progression", you're the same jock in a sock that climbed in to that starter sidewinder (or eagle if you're one of those folks).
That's not progression.
Sure, now you can afford a great number of ships you couldn't afford, but that's not progression either.
That leaves Naval Ranks - honorary rankings with no authority or even acknowledgement other than the ships they enable you to buy.
Not really progress, just persistence. You have no forces to command, no people to lead, no real political sway, just an "Esquire" at the end of your name, and just as meaningful.
But here's the thing - this is actually OK. It's almost necessary to give some sort of tiered structure to the game aspect of Elite. Without it, we would be lost when it came to finding a trail to blaze. But is it Progression? No, it's not. There's no end to reach for, so you're not really any further along as Admiral and King as you were a Nobody. We're all still Nobodies be we 10 minute Nobodies or 10,000 hour Nobodies.
That leaves the subject of The Economy...
Since supply is constant, and demand can really never be met, and prices are basically fixed, with only some minor flux mathed in during System State Change, and our own personal wealth have pretty much no bearing on anything, we really don't have an Economy to concern ourselves with at all. If I donate a billion credits a week to some faction, will they ever rise to anything more than some minor faction in some backwater system no one else ever visits? Will they be able to nominate someone to run for the office of President of the Federation? No.
What will their rise in power bring? An end to prohibition, and 2154 tons of beer to buy at the station they supposedly control, instead of the normal 20 tons of beer, for the three days the boom lasts. And if I stop donating weekly? Will they collapse under an unsustainable lifestyle? No. Maybe they're be displaced, resulting in 3 days of civil unrest as a new faction rises to take their place and then what? No more beer to buy? In 1 of however many countless thousands of stations are out there.
The so-called Economy is an illusion, and a flimsy one at best. Again, for the sake of Game Play, this is OK. It makes for a pretty even field for everyone. I've played games with more realistic, active economies, some backed up by real-world currency (with the option to move that currency between the virtual and physical world), where items costing hundreds of real-world dollars sit unsold, unselling, unsellable for months and even years at a time. In these environments the Economy does matter. Here, not so much.
Can't find any more Unobtanium at your favorite station? Wait 15 minutes, there will be more. Rare goods are the closest thing we have to any actual economics, but only because of some strange behind-the-scenes code trickery that prevents more from being listed for you while you have your limit - and this does not stop someone else from buying their own limit - or either of you from giving those things to each other while the other rebuys their limit again.
There is none. There never has been, and it's unlikely there ever will be.
You accumulate credits and standings through a very mechanical, mindless process of repetition, but you're not progressing.
Let's start with Trade. You begin your existence as a "Harmless" ranked trader. You buy two tons of Hydrogen Fuel at your starter station, fly one station over and sell them for 5 Cr profit. While you're there, you buy 2 tons of Biowaste, fly them back to your starter system and sell them for 10 cr profit. Net profit: 15 Cr.
You could potentially continue to do this exact same thing until you're awarded the rank of Elite trader.
Now, as Elite Trader, you should be heralded for your shrewd business acumen, respected by other traders for your knowledge and experience, sought by pirates for fine goods you carry - but this is not the case. You're not "Elite", just persistent.
Exploration: You fly in pretty much a straight line, honking and scooping from your starter system to the edge of the galaxy and back. You sell a load of cartographic data, none listing any new discoveries, just reinforcing what has long since been known. You've encountered no alien life, nor even detail scanned a single world, nor even boldly gone where countless others have gone before.. you simply accumulated data in bulk. You're no Columbus, no Polo, no Erikson. Your title is Elite, your ability: Persistent.
Combat: Taking your earning from all that trade and all that exploration data, you fit yourself into an Anaconda. A beast of a ship against skill-less low leveled NPC's, and more than suited for high level NPC's. You park yourself in a Haz RES, leaving turrets set to Fire At Will, a bit of pirate bait in your hold, and go away on a weekend holiday, while your ship does all the work for you over the course of the weekend. You return to a massive amount of credits to your name, bounties to cash in, and the Rank of Elite in Combat. You're a cunning, fierce warrior, who stands out among your peers, right?
You've progressed, right? No. You've Endured.
Your character is unchanged. You react no faster, have gained no special abilities suiting your "progression", you're the same jock in a sock that climbed in to that starter sidewinder (or eagle if you're one of those folks).
That's not progression.
Sure, now you can afford a great number of ships you couldn't afford, but that's not progression either.
That leaves Naval Ranks - honorary rankings with no authority or even acknowledgement other than the ships they enable you to buy.
Not really progress, just persistence. You have no forces to command, no people to lead, no real political sway, just an "Esquire" at the end of your name, and just as meaningful.
But here's the thing - this is actually OK. It's almost necessary to give some sort of tiered structure to the game aspect of Elite. Without it, we would be lost when it came to finding a trail to blaze. But is it Progression? No, it's not. There's no end to reach for, so you're not really any further along as Admiral and King as you were a Nobody. We're all still Nobodies be we 10 minute Nobodies or 10,000 hour Nobodies.
That leaves the subject of The Economy...
Since supply is constant, and demand can really never be met, and prices are basically fixed, with only some minor flux mathed in during System State Change, and our own personal wealth have pretty much no bearing on anything, we really don't have an Economy to concern ourselves with at all. If I donate a billion credits a week to some faction, will they ever rise to anything more than some minor faction in some backwater system no one else ever visits? Will they be able to nominate someone to run for the office of President of the Federation? No.
What will their rise in power bring? An end to prohibition, and 2154 tons of beer to buy at the station they supposedly control, instead of the normal 20 tons of beer, for the three days the boom lasts. And if I stop donating weekly? Will they collapse under an unsustainable lifestyle? No. Maybe they're be displaced, resulting in 3 days of civil unrest as a new faction rises to take their place and then what? No more beer to buy? In 1 of however many countless thousands of stations are out there.
The so-called Economy is an illusion, and a flimsy one at best. Again, for the sake of Game Play, this is OK. It makes for a pretty even field for everyone. I've played games with more realistic, active economies, some backed up by real-world currency (with the option to move that currency between the virtual and physical world), where items costing hundreds of real-world dollars sit unsold, unselling, unsellable for months and even years at a time. In these environments the Economy does matter. Here, not so much.
Can't find any more Unobtanium at your favorite station? Wait 15 minutes, there will be more. Rare goods are the closest thing we have to any actual economics, but only because of some strange behind-the-scenes code trickery that prevents more from being listed for you while you have your limit - and this does not stop someone else from buying their own limit - or either of you from giving those things to each other while the other rebuys their limit again.
I'd be really annoyed about my engineering (both upgrades and unlocked engineers) and my first discoveries being wiped.
I wouldn't bother with rank grinding again either, mainly because I don't actually like any of the rank locked ships over their rank-free counterparts.
So a big no from me.
I wouldn't bother with rank grinding again either, mainly because I don't actually like any of the rank locked ships over their rank-free counterparts.
So a big no from me.
They could make a parallel universe where everyone starts fresh (by choice). It's the only way not to aggravate players, except for those who would say that this would fragment the community. But they have to fix the mission payouts first and once and for all. No need to bother about that otherwise.
Last edited:
Just FYI, using 3rd party code is cheating. Using loopholes to get obviously intended advantages is exploiting. By definition exploits only use what the developer provide.
Not yet. But in two years or so I'd be all for it, once the game is actuallty stable. But we'll have a couple dozen exploits before then so it wouldnt really work to offer a new server now.
No I am lol’ing at singular people being the authority on balance. And that if people don’t even know what they want, and have diametrically opposed desires, but assume their world view is balanced. Which is the right balance? It’s a trick question, there isn’t one.
Because commanders are greedy and self-obsessed. Compromise is unacceptable. It’s so unacceptable, it leads to threads exactly like this one. I lol’d, because such requests are transparent. And always have been.
The mythical balance doesn’t exist. Compromise does, though. And this community has endlessly shown it refuses to. Without compromise, there can be no consensus. That’s why.
This? Is the usual “if only this was an offline game, it’d be fine” argument.
Last edited:
Im fine with this.
Blank the lot.. Fix it first... Then blank it.
Blank the lot.. Fix it first... Then blank it.
