Big ships scale now. That's the reason people use them. They just don't scale enough to make them worth 500mill to 1bill per loss. Because nothing actually justifies that cost structure other than Borann.
PvP especially is a lossy perspective.
Tired of the Open vs. Private Debacle
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Big ships scale now. That's the reason people use them. They just don't scale enough to make them worth 500mill to 1bill per loss. Because nothing actually justifies that cost structure other than Borann.
PvP especially is a lossy perspective.
Indeed. I’d pvp exclusively in smalls,
high wake takes what 10 seconds? With the bigger ship comes bigger safety factor (generally speaking, torps being an outlier too) it’s easy to not die in a big if you’re smartIt's not so much about expensive big ships. It's the g5 modules that you would lose on ship destruction. Try to imagine your daily combat with this awereness in the back of your mind and ask yourself: are you really such a risk avoiding pilot that would be required to survive on the long run? And would you still like it? I for one certainly would love it, cause I'm a very careful 'carebear'...
About the scaling of the rebuy or the ironman mode, personally I would agree that some kind of scaling could be useful to make the players a bit more focused on what they are doing, but I see at least 2 big issue in ED:
- Original backers, I mean who have alpha or beta insurance could see a scaling rebuy cost as being cheated.
- Gankers/cheaters and naturally gankers who cheat, there are some out there and they are a real annoyance. And don't think that it's an exclusive of ED Open Mode.
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But wait... They don't have to. Open Players get to choose the Modes just like any other.
And Solo/PG/Different_Platform/Different_Network/Different_Timezone Players have to compete with the people who aren't in their Instance (for whatever reasons) just as well.
It's a choice and regardless of Mode, that choice will >always< have people operating in another Instance (Mode, Time Zone, Platform, Netcode limitations), no matter whom.
What should go away is Open Players
- making their choice... but then making unrealistic demands over others who are none of their business
- affecting others but then complaining others affect them too (= there is no "everyone into MY Instance!" and nothing is a 1-way road... By Design. Suck it up, buttercups)
- assuming anyone not in their Instance was "hiding" (= ridiculous)
- somehow coming to the bizarre conclusion they would be "special" in any form or way and hence deserve some special treatment
It's a very-well established pattern of "I'm playing in one of several Game Modes, so I must be special !" and then making demands and wanting to impose themselves over others.
That's utter nonsense and smells PEGI-7 (friendly description).
Open? PG? Solo? PC? XBOX? PS4? None are special snowflakes. Not a single one of them.
So play your Game Mode on your Platform in your Timezone - and simply move on.
Don't get mad if others simply don't care about you - you're not entitled nor special. Just one amongst many.
That's a load of
. I used my ax-krait during the Palin incident and not one interdiction ever ended with me having a broken shield or being exploded. I even waited once to see if they wanted cargo or something as it was the Code doing the explosion, still didn't had an issue to get out. Found out later that they were boycotting the system and shooting anyone, but it was still lots of fun for clueless me. An AX-ship will not win a fight do to the specialized weapons, but escape is always possible do to the raw hp stacking of ax-ships.Still no to the rebuy and lose everything on the ship idea, it would kill all organized PvP. It's already the only activity that has no positive cr flow and needs to be supplemented by other activities.
Give me a ping then we reach the gankers are {insert colorful names here} in real life part of the threat.
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Love your points! But to #1:
What is there to spend money on after you have your shops and modules? Literal no end game.
And #2:
If cheating is that rampant the devs have bigger problems.
If that’s how you feel why don’t you just play No Man’s Sky? More content, designed the way you like it.
Stop being conceited and go be happy
Yes. As Open player I should also be demanding that everybody else play in my time zone (NZT).
SSo what you’re saying is, so we have no more special people, is a single dedicated cross play open server, where you can see everyone and everyone sees you. I love it.
I’m ok with harder fought kills. Just makes taking out drives stay the meta for killing.
Honestly, I think the only way a certain segment of PvPers will be happy is if the following happens:
Open gets secretly populated by shadow NPCs. These ships appear exactly as player ships, they fly like noobs, always have a DC equipped, and they're everywhere. When attacked they beg and plead for mercy in canned chat messages, and when they die there's like a 5% chance they'll log into a bot account on the forums to post salty tears about how they got ganked and didn't have a rebuy and their life is ruined.
Gankers have plenty of targets, few people actually get ganked, everybody's happy
Open gets secretly populated by shadow NPCs. These ships appear exactly as player ships, they fly like noobs, always have a DC equipped, and they're everywhere. When attacked they beg and plead for mercy in canned chat messages, and when they die there's like a 5% chance they'll log into a bot account on the forums to post salty tears about how they got ganked and didn't have a rebuy and their life is ruined.
Gankers have plenty of targets, few people actually get ganked, everybody's happy
Ok, but you're screwing me and players like me over and we don't even care about PvP.
Honestly, I think the only way a certain segment of PvPers will be happy is if the following happens:
Open gets secretly populated by shadow NPCs. These ships appear exactly as player ships, they fly like noobs, always have a DC equipped, and they're everywhere. When attacked they beg and plead for mercy in canned chat messages, and when they die there's like a 5% chance they'll log into a bot account on the forums to post salty tears about how they got ganked and didn't have a rebuy and their life is ruined.
Gankers have plenty of targets, few people actually get ganked, everybody's happy
We did discuss early on to make player ships indistinguishable from NPCs. There was a lot of opposition to that, as people found it very important to be able to know when other players were in their instance. I think it was also suggested as a toggle, so that you could decidew whether to hide among the NPCs or not.
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OP wants more people in Open and then rewards them with no insurance. Lol
You are half-way there though.
No insurance should be the end sanction for C&P.
Kill enough players without a valid in-game reason (bounty hunting, PP, CZ) and you get kicked out of the Pilots Federation and lose access to insurance.
Now the scales are a bit more balanced.
The trader still doesn’t stand much chance against a Ganker’s death-boat but the Ganker is at risk of losing their ship.
You are half-way there though.
No insurance should be the end sanction for C&P.
Kill enough players without a valid in-game reason (bounty hunting, PP, CZ) and you get kicked out of the Pilots Federation and lose access to insurance.
Now the scales are a bit more balanced.
The trader still doesn’t stand much chance against a Ganker’s death-boat but the Ganker is at risk of losing their ship.
We did discuss early on to make player ships indistinguishable from NPCs. There was a lot of opposition to that, as people found it very important to be able to know when other players were in their instance. I think it was also suggested as a toggle, so that you could decidew whether to hide among the NPCs or not.
Yeah, so long as behavior and ability are vastly different I'd want to know if the blips on the radar are the ones that struggle to crack my shell and outfly me or the ones that are built for it.
I mean.... the explosion is pretty dope.
Wouldn't do much difference, would it. The full retail price on my hot ships is just a small fraction of the bounties attached to them. What is so deterrent to pay another 100-200mil extra? All that bounties are bgs-related, the fun ships are usually clean
.I think the PF is indifferent on purpose, keeps it's members fighting between each other instead of looking for Raxxla and uncover the whole truth behind the club.
If you choose to play in Open, that’s your choice. Don’t try and penalise other players for your choice.