Maybe he has. I know this is an age old debate, and may never be resolved adequately, but if a player is wanted, or has illegal cargo, then yes he/she is in play to be attacked, or being confronted by pirates, who state their intentions first, that is all part of the game, and playing in open, is giving permission either express or implied to be attacked, and I can see that as being a fun part of the game. Having said that, for someone to attack and kill a player, who is not wanted, or in anyway illegal, just because he is bigger, stronger, and 'because he can', is bullying as as the OP states, no justification whatsoever,. The griefer himself admits it, however there could a breach of Frontiers EULA terms as '4.4 ......interfere with the experience of other users of the Game or any Online Feature.'
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Maybe he has. I know this is an age old debate, and may never be resolved adequately, but if a player is wanted, or has illegal cargo, then yes he/she is in play to be attacked, or being confronted by pirates, who state their intentions first, that is all part of the game, and playing in open, is giving permission either express or implied to be attacked, and I can see that as being a fun part of the game. Having said that, for someone to attack and kill a player, who is not wanted, or in anyway illegal, just because he is bigger, stronger, and 'because he can', is bullying as as the OP states, no justification whatsoever,. The griefer himself admits it, however there could a breach of Frontiers EULA terms as '4.4 ......interfere with the experience of other users of the Game or any Online Feature.'
Let's get this out of the way first: "interfere with the experience of other users of the game or any online feature" would be referring to "hacks". Playing a game, the way a game is designed, without exploiting or hacking, is not interfering. If we use your definition, if a CMDR does not submit to my interdiction and let me destroy them, they would be effectively "interfering" with (my) experience or the "online feature" of PvP.
There is no "justification" requirements to engage in PvP in open. Maybe on a morality level, but morals are subjective. Now, if ED had a game mechanic that dictated ROE's, sure. Then we would have to check all these arbitrary boxes before we are granted "permission to fire". This does not exist at this time. But if it did, then you may have a case, but it doesn't so you don't.
A CMDR could state "I RP a psychopath. I will fire on any ship in front of me regardless of affiliation." Cool. Nobody at FD wants to stop that possibility. A CMDR could state "I hate the color green. Any ship I see painted green is a target." Cool. Nobody at FD wants to stop that possibility.
I used to PvP, and I had my own principles, morals, and ROE's. I can tell you, there were a lot of CMDR's that disagreed with my "style". What typically happened is that they would actively avoid me by staying out of systems I was known to be in, playing in solo, or forming wings. They solved their problem with a viable solution, that again, could be argued to "interfere" with my experience as an avid PP PvP CMDR. (that last bit sounds silly doesn't it? It is supposed to)
Again, I encourage everyone who feels like their being "unfairly" targeted to employ tactics to avoid the issue all together. There are a myriad of responses to combat engagements. Need advice? Ask. Mindlessly spewing about TOS interpretations, or getting worked up about the event/game does absolutely zero to solve your issue. It has been years, FD nor Microsoft care that you are being sent to a rebuy in the open mode of this game as that is absolutely part of the game.
*on a side note, crime and punishment is gettig updated this season and I am hopeful that FD and the community find a compromise to both parties involved in these disputes.
Had to triple check the date on this...
Surely a thread from the dead...
Also to answer the other question.
Why don't the murder hobos kill each other?
We do... Or did.
Now they all just run.. Last murder hobo rampage ended with us at something like 50+kills and zero deaths.
Surely a thread from the dead...
Also to answer the other question.
Why don't the murder hobos kill each other?
We do... Or did.
Now they all just run.. Last murder hobo rampage ended with us at something like 50+kills and zero deaths.
Bob Lighthouse
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I'm with AkimuMC and TOM USMC, and MegatronsFinger.
Seems to me the unkind and questionable behavior is trying to malign people who are playing the game as intended.
Seems to me the unkind and questionable behavior is trying to malign people who are playing the game as intended.
It's striking that some of the worst examples of 'griefing' come from solidly anti-PvP players.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. If you read my comments to be condoning or approving of said behavior, I suggest you go back a re-read what I posted.
My point is that it is futile to scream at a human who is acting in 100% accordance to human frailties. He doesn't care, that is clear by words and actions.
So since you are trying to change his nature you are wasti g energy. Anyone's time is better spent working around the problem and adapting to it.
I do not, condone the behavior in anyway shape or form.
How can you possibly say 'it sounds like a hack' from the information given lol. The guy is obviously very proud of the weapons on his Gunship but noticeably said frak all about 1) his shield, 2) his armour, 3) his HRPs/module reinforcements and most critically 4) what his pip settings were. Considering that he said he'd just unloaded all seven of his weapons into the guy I'd say it's a safe bet that four of them weren't in systems.
As for him firing his mighty selection of guns, the Clipper has a class 7 slot. Stick a prismatic shield in that with a couple of decent shield boosters and four pips to systems and yeah, a few burst lasers and multicannons aren't going to be troubling it in the short term.
That's even more true for OP in his T-9 which is basically a flying pinata unless the player is switched on and takes appropriate action.
Bob Lighthouse
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I am simply suggesting people think about the entirety of the context here and that is "engaging in explicitly acceptable behavior" vs "portraying all sorts of negative personal traits onto fellow video game enthusiasts".
I don't find your words incongruous with what I'm getting at, or where they are coming from.
So that juxtaposition is deliberate.
But I'm not trying to misrepresent what you're saying either.
Context is everything.
Maia is an anarchy system. What did OP expect? There's no law or rules in an anarchy system. That's what they're for - so that nutters can go nuts!
was his name Thelegend27?
Exactly, serial murder is not ever going to end even with the new c&p coming. Your best bet is to just find ways to avoid/evade the serial killers.
I've never flown any of the 'type' ships, because they were known to be Sitting Ducks, from what I've read. I only have two ships, out of Ten, that I will never engage in combat with because I've modded them primarily for Long Jumps and exploration: My Aspx and iCourier.
Im not one who fires on other players without justification (ie self defence) mostly because Im rubbish at combat, but I dont get why peps combat log or moan when they are attacked, its an MMO with no real aim to fullfil and is open ended and allows you to be what you want to be in the game (and lets face it for many of us that is the major draw) so why cry when you get attacked in an anarchy system by another player?
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I wouldn't expect FD to take sides, but your claims about entitlements to take out traders, and explorers because you can are with out merit. The soon to be crime and punishment enhancements, will bankrupt griefers, over the long term, which I think is a good thing, and if they feel hard done by, go find another game, as ED is basically a trading game.
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Hahahahahahahahahaha
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Hahahahahahahahahaha
Y'all gonna be so disappointed. It's gonna be grand.
I quite like the idea of the new C&P mechanics, some of the changes have real merit. Unfortunately, most of them if not all, are coming way too late in the game to make open mode a harmonious place.
Belatedly adding some form of consequence for random sport killing now that most of the worst culprits have accounts worth billions and a garage full of PvP engineered ships won't change the attitudes or behaviours that have now become prevalent and commonplace, sport killing and combat logging... both types of behaviour feed off each other...both type of behaviours only occur in open mode.
Will they change behaviours of either rampant loggers or sport killers? Will the proposed changes even entice any of the folks currently happily flying in PG's to enter open mode?
I suspect not...it's very hard to judge how these type of changes will effect the live version since during beta, there's no permanent effects carried over to your player account so everyone just has a blast flying around in open blowing each other up and generally messing around with stuff they don't normally do.
The real test will come when the changes go live... I also suspect that once the update does go live, there'll be a veritable queue of mummy's special little snowflakes trying their hardest to be the baddest little space pirate in the whole galaxy... they'll all want that nasty little boy badge at the end of the day [yesnod]
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IXEntitled? Without merit? What are you on about?
Anyone who purchases this game is "entitled" to play how they wish within the confines of the programming. If that means that some choose to kill traders or explorers simply because they can, there is their "merit". That is the deal the consumer (player) has made with the proprietor (FD).
Do you feel that CMDRs are entitled to fly in open mode without danger from other CMDRs? Do you feel your desire to just trade or explore outweighs someone else's desire to combat? (Remember, this is just a video game)
Again, there are a multitude of ways to avoid PvP in open. Unsurprisingly, not 1 player in here is saying "Hey, I was killed. How can I avoid that?" Nope. That would be too difficult. Lets just "complain about the system" instead of working with what we have. I will give you one tip, if open is too intense, it is very common knowledge that solo mode exists. Solo mode is a "safe space". No other CMDRs can directly interact with you in that mode.
The crime and punishment changes will be in beta. Not sure how long you've been around, but not everything in beta hits release. Sometimes it takes multiple betas. I'm sure if you scroll the history you will see enough examples.
And as you have said, if players feel "hard done" they will move on from the game. Then, you can play "space trucker" in open with the few CMDRs that are left all the while hoping FD continues development.
We will see what happens, in the future, but for now, right this instant, try some different tactics ca use your last one obviously isn't working.
So, in your opinion...PvP or combat oriented players are the majority and these 'space truckers'...as you put it... being the minority and serving no purpose at all, who just desperately need a safe space to enjoy their game should all go play in solo?
Interesting...
No.
My opinion is that if the game cuts too deeply into one form of playing, then you will lose players. Honestly, how many players are floating around anyway? I just got back to the bubble from a few months in the black, right back to my old stomping grounds, not a single CMDR on the sensors... Do I think PvP players make up a base of players in this game? Absolutely. If you could get me any figures or numbers about player base on the Xbox, regardless of activity, I would be shocked. Any stat in that regard is pure speculation.
Regardless, it does not change the fact that PvP combat is part of the game, and even with the C&P changes (if and when implemented) it still will be. Spamming the forums about blocking people on Xbox to never see them again, or to shout a digital "F U" doesn't change that. So, what can individuals change? Their tactics. Their routines. There are absolutely ways to avoid being destroyed by other CMDRs while in open game mode. Nobody seems to be interested in the actual game mechanics of this. Everybody, for years, just wants to scream about rebuys, or how punishment for murder isn't harsh enough, while simultaneously admit to combat logging which is actually against the rules.
Again, my whole point is that PvP is absolutely allowed. No individuals morals, or opinion matters. No justification is needed to engage in any PvP. Combat logging is an exploit. There are better ways to avoid a fight or survive one.
I included "space trucker" as the post I replied to insinuated that ED is a trading game, which you will find is not the case for many players. At the end of the day, it is best for all game style to get along to continue support for the game. I'm just baffled that this deep into the game that game mechanic solutions haven't been found by the individuals who feel "unfairly" targeted.
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