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Hi Devs,

Why don't we get any yes or no answers? Obviously some stuff can't be talked about yet like Nublar but honestly why not just straight up answer some questions.

I'm trying to wrap my head around the concept that as a company it isn't a good idea to answer these questions.

For example, why not just straight up release an answer as to the exact number of dinosaurs at release?

Will there be a sandbox mode after we complete all the islands?
 
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It is just how they do their business. It leads up to the excitment. Everyone complains that movie trailers spoil too much of the plot so they don't want to be like that. If they released the exact number of Dinosaurs that are in the game they will have a huge divide. Some will say it is the perfect amount while others will complain that there is to few. They would never get a happy medium.
 
The main thing they need to clear up is sandbox mode.

They have been very vague about that and people will be more disappointed if Frontier stay silent and it's not in it than they would be if Frontier flat out said "It's not in the base game but we'll include it in a patch"

If Frontier refuse to address their vague response and it turns out there's no sandbox mode then you better believe I'll be complaining.

Give a flat yes or no answer. It's not difficult.

Dinosaur number isn't a huge issue. We know it's over 30, pushing 40 which is fine. Doesn't need to be addressed.

What we want to know is, if there's a sand box. Yes or no.
 
It is just how they do their business. It leads up to the excitment. Everyone complains that movie trailers spoil too much of the plot so they don't want to be like that. If they released the exact number of Dinosaurs that are in the game they will have a huge divide. Some will say it is the perfect amount while others will complain that there is to few. They would never get a happy medium.

I don't see any reason they can't just give a flat yes/no about sandbox mode. It would clear things up and either satisfy a lot of people if so, or stop people been furious on release if not. Sure, people will be annoyed... but they'll be more annoyed if they feel misled about it.
 
Its how frontier do things.

Frontier are very secretive for marketing and relative to the rest of the industry seem to completely disregard and ignore their player base (as much as their community managers puff about grandiosely claiming the opposite).

This is works out pretty good however. What's left is they're kind of blizzardish in that they have their own internal closed vision and build what THEY want. I think its better this way than keeping everyone happy mode. Frontier can only be counted on taking playerbase opinion is when they come out and ask for a vote or feedback. The one time they asked for a vote in elite was a catastrophic failure, so yeah frontier are better as they are.
 
Something to remember about Jurassic World Evolution is the fact that this isn't just Frontier's baby. The intellectual property that they are dealing with belongs to the movie studio (Universal?)

A lot of the game play would have been hashed out between Frontier and the studio ... and, unlike Elite: Dangerous which is entirely the property of Frontier, I'm sure that some NDAs were signed.

Implementing a sandbox mode would probably be pretty simple but if it wasn't part of the deal between Frontier and the studio it might not be something that Frontier can simply implement on their own without consulting the lawyers and getting the okay from the IP owners.
 
Something to remember about Jurassic World Evolution is the fact that this isn't just Frontier's baby. The intellectual property that they are dealing with belongs to the movie studio (Universal?)

A lot of the game play would have been hashed out between Frontier and the studio ... and, unlike Elite: Dangerous which is entirely the property of Frontier, I'm sure that some NDAs were signed.

Implementing a sandbox mode would probably be pretty simple but if it wasn't part of the deal between Frontier and the studio it might not be something that Frontier can simply implement on their own without consulting the lawyers and getting the okay from the IP owners.

I have seen this sort of comment quite often throughout this forum. These sort of comments are based on pure speculation and nothing else.

It's neither informative or helpful to say that because a game is affiliated with a license that it somehow becomes hostage to the whims of the license.

Frontier is paying for the entire game themselves and so far the only interference Universal has made (that we know of) with the game is rejecting the retconning of a character.

As I have said quite a few times now, it is in Universals interest for this to be the best game it can be so why on earth would they unintentionally or intentionally sabotage it?

JPOG was also a license game and look how that turned out.
 
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What would be the problem to let us know whether there will be a sandbox mode or not? I don't get it. It doesn't hurt the movie. There's a lot of people on these forums asking for it. The only thing i can think about is that they either don't read these forums or it's not in the game. It can only hurt the game if it's not in it. They're selling less if it's not going to be in the game. It will hurt the grade eventually.
 
I have seen this sort of comment quite often throughout this forum. These sort of comments are based on pure speculation and nothing else.

It's neither informative or helpful to say that because a game is affiliated with a license that it somehow becomes hostage to the whims of the license.

Frontier is paying for the entire game themselves and so far the only interference Universal has made (that we know of) with the game is rejecting the retconning of a character.

As I have said quite a few times now, it is in Universals interest for this to be the best game it can be so why on earth would they unintentionally or intentionally sabotage it?

JPOG was also a license game and look how that turned out.

You do know that they have some rules to follow from Universal, right? Like no kids, no blood, etc?
 
You do know that they have some rules to follow from Universal, right? Like no kids, no blood, etc?

Has that been confirmed? JPOG has blood and the Telltale game had some absolutely brutal deaths. Not to mention the actual JW movies have blood AND the title has PEGI 16 rating which usually has SOME blood.

I can understand the no kids thing though. They even did that in Skyrim.
 
You do know that they have some rules to follow from Universal, right? Like no kids, no blood, etc?

I have also never said that Frontier dont have to listen to them, they just don't have ANY control over gameplay features. The only thing by law they are able to touch is violence, swearing and the cannon aspect. Although, Colin Treverow has said that this game is to be considered 'soft cannon' to avoid disrupting an otherwise good game choice.
 
Has that been confirmed? JPOG has blood and the Telltale game had some absolutely brutal deaths. Not to mention the actual JW movies have blood AND the title has PEGI 16 rating which usually has SOME blood.

I can understand the no kids thing though. They even did that in Skyrim.

I heard no kids in some vids. I thought i also heard no blood... But if BestinSlot said there will be blood i'm all up for it! Realism is good imo.
 
I heard no kids in some vids. I thought i also heard no blood... But if BestinSlot said there will be blood i'm all up for it! Realism is good imo.

I've heard no kids either.

Either way, Ark is a PEGI 16 game and there is blood in that game so it is doable. Even in the raptor species profile it's eating animation looked as though it was tearing flesh away. Just think about how small carnivores are going to eat; they can't swallow goats whole haha.
 
Its how frontier do things.

Frontier are very secretive for marketing and relative to the rest of the industry seem to completely disregard and ignore their player base (as much as their community managers puff about grandiosely claiming the opposite).

This is works out pretty good however. What's left is they're kind of blizzardish in that they have their own internal closed vision and build what THEY want. I think its better this way than keeping everyone happy mode. Frontier can only be counted on taking playerbase opinion is when they come out and ask for a vote or feedback. The one time they asked for a vote in elite was a catastrophic failure, so yeah frontier are better as they are.

I get the impression that you didn't buy into the PC Alpha? If you did then did you ever even visit the PC forums during Alpha 1, 2 and 3? Seems that you didn't if you think that Frontier disregard and ignore their player base, as a great deal of what made the base game release (and a lot of the tweaks and improvements to a number of areas of that game) were all either suggested, influenced or in some cases demanded by the player base during those alpha tests

FD want to make the game that they want to make. Within that structure they will try to please as many as possible but they won't stray from their original vision nor will they severely alter their direction of the game to appease a section of people. Ideally they should add and include things on top of what they have to expand out into the rough directions people want to go. But game dev just isn't that black and white a lot of the time, and it's not really fair to judge it in such a way

Back to the topic at hand, I think transparency in certain areas would be a real benefit to Frontier at the moment. There seems to be a lot of noise coming from different areas that are either worried, annoyed or holding off on the game because of the lack of info. As others have said, there isn't anything wrong with saying "there is a sandbox based mode in the game." or saying "it won't be at launch but we're looking into it soon after". I also don't think there's anything wrong with them loosely saying what they mean by sandbox if it's in

They can also say things like "we're adding a lot of extra decorations", "we're adding a few extra terraforming tools" - or of course they could say "at launch, the level of decoration and terraforming you saw in the demo is what is available. We'll look to expand this in future updates"

They don't have to give specifics and so they can keep within the boundaries of the NDA as well as not spoiling any game plots. I do think however they will hold off on a lot of info drops because of PAX East and E3 (E3 they are at, PAX I don't know) but it would make more sense to drop trailers, hints, extra content and stuff like that at an event or just after, as opposed to random

Also as a side note, yeah Universal are licensing - the use of assets, music, models etc. Universal (as far as we know unless the devs confirm otherwise) have no control or say on gameplay mechanics, modes etc. They have a bit of say over content inclusion - being a 16 rated game doesn't mean you can have all the gore if Universal don't want that kind of direct gore, same way that you saw Hoskins blood at the end of JW but you never saw it pulse out of his hand when he was being bitten - but Universal aren't there saying "as the licenser of this game we won't allow you to include a sandbox mode, nor can you include decorations for the park, nor can you make our goats run like the cowards they should be"
 
so far the only interference Universal has made (that we know of) with the game is rejecting the retconning of a character.

Not directly an interference, and I'm not sure if it's been officially confirmed, but I think we can be pretty sure that the release date itself is also obviously something that Universal wanted so that the game gets released at the same time as the movie does. To me though that makes sense from a marketing perspective and will probably increase game sales. Provided that the game doesn't bomb because it's terrible. I think that's unlikely though.
 

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As mentioned, Frontier do keep things close to their chest on releasing information.

I think (don't actually know) they tend to use a roadmap on what information to release and when.

You just need to keep your eye on the newsletters and the forum. ;)
 
Not directly an interference, and I'm not sure if it's been officially confirmed, but I think we can be pretty sure that the release date itself is also obviously something that Universal wanted so that the game gets released at the same time as the movie does. To me though that makes sense from a marketing perspective and will probably increase game sales. Provided that the game doesn't bomb because it's terrible. I think that's unlikely though.

I guess if you define interference as Universal rejecting an idea put forward by the writer for JWE, this would be classed as an intereference haha.

And the writer himself was talking about it! It's on two seperate videos. One (I believe) with eurogamer and secondly bestinslot spoke of it in his 1993 JP vid.

I agree about the marketing. Although, do you think that Universal would understand if the Devs said it wasn't ready and asked to delay it? I honestly don't know.
 
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