UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

[Colonel Kenney]

I thought Barncles and UA(UP are not related? I´m confused

No he said they had different purposes..

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If you were making a set of instructions that were simple to follow, why would you go Bottom Right, Top Left, Top Right, Bottom Left?



Do we know it's for Aliens?

 

[CFF]

If you were making a set of instructions that were simple to follow, why would you go Bottom Right, Top Left, Top Right, Bottom Left?

Because your first instruction is restricted by the fact that it needs to be 138 degrees from 0. After that instruction, the rest actually flow in a logical order.

 

[StainlesSteelRat]

It's all good - great power and all that jibber jabber
Just someone listen to the flippin' video and write down the morse for me!!
Pretty please - there'll be biscuits.

I took a listen to the "morse" it's pretty ropey, not properly formed "square" morse.
because the spacing of the characters is off you can actually write it in different ways,
but I got this:-
EFDEESEER
an F in morse is ..-. But if you listen to the second character, you get a shaky F.
ill try it with a different ear...

 

[TheDayman]

Definitely the origin. It is pointing back to broadcast back to the barnacles its findings. The theory that MB said we needed to test .. not sure which one he meant. Whether the UA was more advanced or whether the image is not merope...


Summary of new clues from MB
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The message has a specific purpose, and a very different one to the UA.
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The pointing is deliberate, but also for a different reason to the UA.
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The transmission from the UA is its purpose.
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The UP has a different purpose.
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That's a testable theory.

(So that means the information in the UP about the planet in the sound is NOT merope it is from a nearby planet probably in the UA range. Its just the wording the U P is the PROBE which is something you'd think would be the thing looking since its a probe.. the artifact who knows what it is. Maybe it is the more advanced of the 2?)

I think you're onto something there, sir. How you're able to decrypt MB's mysterious hints are beyond me, but this sounds good.

 

[Ozric]

That is why I asked for a clarification. I asked 3 different questions/statemtns and I wanted to know which one was the testable theory?

Welcome to Michael's responses

Though as you phrased it the way you it, it proposed a theory that is testable, but is already something we're doing really. You won't get a more straightforward answer than that, unless we're lagging massively behind.

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No he said they had different purposes..

Hang on iFred was asking how we know the Barnacles and (UA/UP) are related. MB has never (unless I missed something major) said that they are or are not related.

We do not know if they are or aren't, opinions are divided but I think more sway towards not directly related.

 

[mung0]

Xposting this from over on Xbox discussions:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/276343-Contact-Theory

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Originally posted by MistrrRAGER:

Hey all,
I have a theory about the recent events surrounding the unknown probes audio spectrograph.
I watched the movie "Contact" after learning it was written by Carl Sagan and EXACTLY the same thing happens. An audio transmission received by scientists turns out to be a picture and blueprints.
SPOILERS
For much of the movie they have trouble deciphering the picture and they realise they are looking at the picture wrong.
They make the 2d picture into a 3d cube and its the key to reading the blueprints.
Could we be looking at the audio spectrograph wrong?

 

[Blagsc]

Welcome to Michael's responses

Though as you phrased it the way you it, it proposed a theory that is testable, but is already something we're doing really. You won't get a more straightforward answer than that, unless we're lagging massively behind.

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Hang on iFred was asking how we know the Barnacles and (UA/UP) are related. MB has never (unless I missed something major) said that they are or are not related.

We do not know if they are or aren't, opinions are divided but I think more sway towards not directly related.

Hmm Tho didnt we get a confirmation that UP's don't point to merope cause of the barnis? they point there for a different reason?
:Edit: related woops my bad, I don't think we've ever been told a yes or no on that!

 

[Cynaqq]

Only thing bugging me is if the UA broadcast isn't meant to be for humans to find and understand, why use an ancient human broadcast technique with a human alphabet?

The only two possibilities I can think of is the makers are human (one of the galactic powers or other factions) or the makers are human (The Missing).

 

[CMDR Ofan]

That is why I asked for a clarification. I asked 3 different questions/statemtns and I wanted to know which one was the testable theory?

"So that means the information in the UP about the planet in the sound is NOT merope it is from a nearby planet probably in the UA range."

Was the only testable thing in your Post he replied to.

I take this to imply that it is testable in that if you take it far afield you can test it at an exhaustive list of random locations and if you get a different result at one relatively far away from Merope then depending on how implicit the result you know it is or it is not Merope.

 

[Eriol_Mits]

Well am not very good with this scince thing but anyway here goes.

Just flew out to Merope to start a search of the solar system. I think we might be looking for a planet or moon that falls between 220 - 240 range from MC5. Depending on its current location during its orbit. The lower left part of the image idicates the direction we need to look. The line in the middle indicates MC5 orbit around MC. I saw someone post a website online that would give you a 3D map of the system in the old topic. Don't know what it is but might be worth having a little look and seeing if any know objects in the system fall between this 220-240 range when heading out from the orbit.

 

[Matt]

Only thing bugging me is if the UA broadcast isn't meant to be for humans to find and understand, why use an ancient human broadcast technique with a human alphabet?

The only two possibilities I can think of is the makers are human (one of the galactic powers or other factions) or the makers are human (The Missing).

Or so us humble human *game players* understand it

I am sure FD could make something 100% impenetrable and impossible to understand but what would be the fun in that?

 

[Colonel Kenney]

Welcome to Michael's responses

Though as you phrased it the way you it, it proposed a theory that is testable, but is already something we're doing really. You won't get a more straightforward answer than that, unless we're lagging massively behind.

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Hang on iFred was asking how we know the Barnacles and (UA/UP) are related. MB has never (unless I missed something major) said that they are or are not related.

We do not know if they are or aren't, opinions are divided but I think more sway towards not directly related.

Both similar alien design, both corrode your ship, both point back to the same system. Pretty sure they are related but just have different purposes.

I also think Michael means that the UP is LOOKING for something - it is a PROBE. That is testable. Take the probe over matching planets and honk. So how did these probes get so close to earth? It looks like an earlier model probe maybe initially sent out looking for new homes to expand to. It found us and odd lifeforms. NOW it sent out a secondary probe the more ADVANCED model that is looking to gather more specific data such as information about the life forms.

That is what I think.

 

[Nagual]

Xposting this from over on Xbox discussions:

So... it's actually the engineers fault eh? Lets see.. if I put this doohicky over a pinned blueprint and angle it just so.. squint my eyes and sneeze.. I know the answer.

It's simple really.. wait.. what's that noise? So loud. And those lights. No.. It can't be.. they are not real! No Wait. I...

 

[CMDR Tom D]

Just thinking out-loud and repsonding to my own idea....
1 - Go to Merope
2 - Traverse area around Merope (5 square-radius? Perhaps 5yr radius? 5 "galaxy map squares"?)
3 - Discovery Scan around that radius
4 - Something Perhaps something emerges/launches or becomes obvious.

A lot of work to scan around a 5 ly radius but guessing that FD dont want this to be something just one person can do on their own but need a community effort to complete.

I think if the puzzle had an obvious answer FD wouldn't have made the initial signal so complicated.

 

[Tigorath]

Alert: REVELATION
I heard somewhere that the reason that they prefer Nebulae is rather obvious!

Okay, if we ARE dealing with an insectoid form then perhapse, like the gnat they are attracted to light!Nebulae can be star clusters and the UA's circling around like a moth around a flame. If this is the case then we better start thinking like they are insects. What they like, how they act etc. Is there a queen? Are the lights minature versions?
Are certain brighter stars candidates to look?

I have a lot of theories and this conundrum is making me lose sleep and y'know what? I love it. Keep up the good work people.

 

[rizal72]

So I have been reading lots ideas on this and I feel like many are getting way too complicated. So I started thinking about the simplest way to interpret the center image in the context of the UAs and UPs we've found.

Here is my reasoning (borrows a lot from other CMRDs)

1. First we need to decide what the 'sphere' is in the center of the image. We're in space. Space is filled with spherical objects called 'stars' and 'planets' and 'moons'. Let's assume it's not something complicated like 'a sphere of stars in the galaxy'. Let's just assume it's a planet or moon (we can throw out star as it seem unlikely you can do anything close to the surface of a star)

2. If we decide it's a planet/moon then the rest really do look like instructions. It's clearly divided into four separate quadrants and each of those separate quadrants have a number sequence that we have worked out is 2 3 4 1 (reading from left to right). So each quadrant is telling us about what we need to do on this planet/moon.

3. The first quadrant has the approx 138 degree line. This is the axis tilt of 5C. UPs point to 5C. I think the UPs are telling us that "look, here is a signal and a 'key' or sorts that makes sense if you look at a planet with an axis tilt of about 138 degrees, just like 5C does!". The first quadrant is telling us the 'type' of planet to look at, not just any specific planet - it has to have an axis tilt of about 138 degrees.

4. The second quadrant is a 90 arc. I think this is just saying that "once you find a planet of axis tilt 138 degrees, fly around it!". Maybe 'orbit' around it. It only goes 90 degrees because it's one quadrant of the message, so that's all the room the instruction has.

5. The third quadrant is simply telling us to 'scan as we fly' - those two curved lines indicated a wave emanating from a source - our scanners. And since we know UPs react to our scanners, it's not incomprehensible to belive that they are telling us to use them somewhere else.

6. The fourth quadrant, I think, is a signal coming from the planet we are flying around when our scanners get in range of something. Maybe we'll recognize it because it will be two beams of light? Or some other things that simply rises from the planets surface. Basically this quadrant is telling us what to look for.

So, to recap, we need to find planets of about 138 degree tilt in and around Merope and surrounds, fly down to the surface (probably out of orbital cruise and into the planet's instance) and use ADS to ping the planet and wait for some visual response.

So I don't know, but that is about the most simple interpretation of the image I can come up with.

I like it. Simple.

And I liked your reply about the reason for the first quadrant to be at bottom right: the need to have a 138° angle.
And I liked all the four instructions you've proposed. The two beams of light the most
I was starting to do a similar experiment before losing the UP: I was hovering M5c with the UP in hold, honking all around it.
Problem is that the planet is huge, and hovering all of it and honking could be a pain, and too random.

There should be some more detailed place to search IMHO. But who knows?

 

[CMDR Runcible Shaw]

the god mode hand holding exercise is falling behind we should have figured it out by now, now its time for them to drop enoguh clues to bring us up to the next hand holding piece of content.

Yep, he's really holding our hands. Totally told us all the info we needed to know. Definitely no fun to be had here any more figuring it out. Best just to complain about it.

 

[TheCold]

I took a listen to the "morse" it's pretty ropey, not properly formed "square" morse.
because the spacing of the characters is off you can actually write it in different ways,
but I got this:-
EFDEESEER
an F in morse is ..-. But if you listen to the second character, you get a shaky F.
ill try it with a different ear...

You should try to convert the sound into a .flac or something and import it to Audacity to see the Morse and the length of it, the Letters also could be divided by the loud noises while the signal of the UP

 

[CMDR Runcible Shaw]

I know that this would mean the sacrifice of an UP

but

please http://i.imgur.com/fe8OC5x.gif please

would someone try to honk an UP next to the barnacle and filming it once for all ?

It's been done, more than once I believe.

 

[Colonel Kenney]

"So that means the information in the UP about the planet in the sound is NOT merope it is from a nearby planet probably in the UA range."

Was the only testable thing in your Post he replied to.

I take this to imply that it is testable in that if you take it far afield you can test it at an exhaustive list of random locations and if you get a different result at one relatively far away from Merope then depending on how implicit the result you know it is or it is not Merope.

That is what I took from it too.

So I'm thinking we need to look in a very large area for a planet that matches the diagram - BUT I think possibly it could be even closer to EARTH than we think. The UP's seem to be the "original" probes that were put out there. They are only being found already in the possession of humans. Most likely they've been found a long time ago and have been studied already.

Its up to us to crack it. Is it a planet with an atmosphere, near a ringed planet, with an ecliptic at 138 degrees and a wide wobble?