UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

[Allant Doran]

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i want a hint, MB seems to think we all have degrees in spectral analysis or something. most of us just want to progress in the storyline.. if it gets any more complicated im probably just going to go back to exploring dead stars, or maybe waiting for NMS to fix their bugs on the pc port.

I don't think it needs a degree in 'spectral analysis' to figure it out. That is exactly the kinda of behaviour that leads to him having to say ''You're all overthinking this.''
Having said that I don't think the puzzle should be so easy that EVERYONE can individually solve it. Only a community effort will help.

Don't get me wrong, I don't blame you. I've stopped being so proactive in my search and now just follow the forum. That's an okay choice. I'm exploring my way out to Jacques, not helping in this anymore. This mystery will be solved either way and I am not quite as driven to be the 'one who cracks it' as others are. They will always have my support but I don't think more hints are necessary because of that.

 

[CMDR_Mogriax]

I don't think it needs a degree in 'spectral analysis' to figure it out. That is exactly the kinda of behaviour that leads to him having to say ''You're all overthinking this.''
Having said that I don't think the puzzle should be so easy that EVERYONE can individually solve it. Only a community effort will help.

Don't get me wrong, I don't blame you. I've stopped being so proactive in my search and now just follow the forum. That's an okay choice. I'm exploring my way out to Jacques, not helping in this anymore. This mystery will be solved either way and I am not quite as driven to be the 'one who cracks it' as others are. They will always have my support but I don't think more hints are necessary because of that.

Indeed i dont want to be the one that cracks it either, but i also dont want to be the one flying around aimlessly following rumors and myths.. just some kind of confirmation that were on the right track would be helpful.. not cryptic riddles like michael is giving us currently.

 

[NetSlayer]

I don't think it needs a degree in 'spectral analysis' to figure it out. That is exactly the kinda of behaviour that leads to him having to say ''You're all overthinking this.''
Having said that I don't think the puzzle should be so easy that EVERYONE can individually solve it. Only a community effort will help.

Don't get me wrong, I don't blame you. I've stopped being so proactive in my search and now just follow the forum. That's an okay choice. I'm exploring my way out to Jacques, not helping in this anymore. This mystery will be solved either way and I am not quite as driven to be the 'one who cracks it' as others are. They will always have my support but I don't think more hints are necessary because of that.

Well lots of posts from MB about UA/UP pointing.

And whichever way I cut it, it just leads me back to the assumption that UPs can be found somewhere in the Merope system.

GIVEN the UA points at Merope star, and given the UP points at Merope 5c.

ASSUMING the UA/UP are broadcasting information
THEN it follows that the UA is intended to function at long distance
AND the UP is intended to function at a short distance

alternatively

ASSUMING the UA/UP are trying to lead us somewhere
THEN it follows that the UA is intended to function at long distance
AND the UP is intended to function at a short distance

Whichever way I look at it the difference in pointing behaviour seems telling:

- Pointing at a star is the behaviour of something that needs to function at a range where planets aren't discernible
- Pointing at a local body is the behaviour of something that functions at a range where planets are discernible

And the only conclusion I can come to is that UPs are somewhere in Merope

Going from a previous post, StarBeaver and I also believe the UP is referring to a planet within the Merope system.

With the image based on sets of moons/planets:
2 lines refer to 2 objects outside of the relation of the planet
1 line referring to 1 object within relation of the planet

e.g. Planet has 2 parents and 1 sibling, Planet has 2 other landable siblings and is tidally locked to 1 parent.
The set of 2 seems very separate to the set of 1.
Unfortunately if we look at the many ways this interpretation of the key could 'fit', we end up with near 8 candidates.

Which isn't very effective for narrowing down a search. Even if we figure out a planet it's referring to... What then? do we search it's surface? Search it's SOI? Honk in it's SOI?

 

[dynamicbob]

Im in the not in merope camp, but keep watching the merope just in case.

I checked out the 8 new federal military outposts leading from the bubble towards maia, checked planets and signal sources, no UPs spawning there as another option

Now running around the taraus dark sector in the UA bubble distances just in case something has been missed out here.

Im going to spend a day farming about 4 systems out here for signatures, ships etc and planets checking a few things out, dont expect to have any breakthroughs

But apart from UAs which im farming for unknown fragments at the moment, im getting a lot of large data caches which is a bit unusual. But nothing else out of the ordinary the odd npc interdicting me for my load but thats about it

 

[Erid]

*The well-known Bitstorm theory*

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[Matt]

I've stopped being so proactive in my search and now just follow the forum. That's an okay choice.

Agreed, it is becoming tiresome.

There are just too many unknowns to make it satisfying as a puzzle. We don't even know what we're trying to find.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

Well lots of posts from MB about UA/UP pointing.

And whichever way I cut it, it just leads me back to the assumption that UPs can be found somewhere in the Merope system.

GIVEN the UA points at Merope star, and given the UP points at Merope 5c.

ASSUMING the UA/UP are broadcasting information
THEN it follows that the UA is intended to function at long distance
AND the UP is intended to function at a short distance

alternatively

ASSUMING the UA/UP are trying to lead us somewhere
THEN it follows that the UA is intended to function at long distance
AND the UP is intended to function at a short distance

Whichever way I look at it the difference in pointing behaviour seems telling:

- Pointing at a star is the behaviour of something that needs to function at a range where planets aren't discernible
- Pointing at a local body is the behaviour of something that functions at a range where planets are discernible

And the only conclusion I can come to is that UPs are somewhere in Merope

Solid conclusion - pointing to Merope 5C only matters in the Merope system, therefore the Merope system is important.
UAs and UPs are 'space-based' so searching the planets is probably the wrong thing, and Merope 5C has probably been searched more than any other planet, so I think that avenue is stale.

But, there's not that much to the Merope system and it's been searched to death - I'm struggling to see where something could be in space in that system that wouldn't have been found already.
Asteroid belts get ignored, but I'm sure that means some people have specifically checked them in Merope system.
Rings are vast places to hide things but that's needle in a needle-stack searching again.

I've given up on the image because I think it'll only make sense after the fact, so basically we've still got no clue and a massive noise to signal ratio (including this post).

 

[Atrox Lux]

Indeed i dont want to be the one that cracks it either, but i also dont want to be the one flying around aimlessly following rumors and myths.. just some kind of confirmation that were on the right track would be helpful.. not cryptic riddles like michael is giving us currently.

MB actually said earlier on, in this thread, that some had got very close to solving this. But I don't think it was followed up on and everyone now seems to be chasing free floating UPs instead.

It looks like it will just get resolved automatically by a Galnet post as we get closer to the next season. Overthinking (by myself included) pretty much killed this.

I gave up long ago and am now focusing on the Formidine Rift, as it is far more accessible and has a chance of success.

 

[BluWolve]

Well we cant find UP in the wild, but we know they are there. Where can we rule out?

I suggest we rule out the UA shell. Many commanders have searched there, even just for UA, and still no one has come across a UP. If they are there, then they are so rare to as not be better than the convoy, therefore lets rule it out.

Where else can anyone suggest?

 

[dynamicbob]

A bit like the barnacle search at jaques i spent over 100 hours searching and many others and it went a zero result, that said with gamescom coming up, if it is time we may get a bit of a prod to keep the UP storyline going, but that said MB has said that once we solve this there is more content to come, so we may well end up with yet more mysteries to figure out going forward.

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Well we cant find UP in the wild, but we know they are there. Where can we rule out?

I suggest we rule out the UA shell. Many commanders have searched there, even just for UA, and still no one has come across a UP. If they are there, then they are so rare to as not be better than the convoy, therefore lets rule it out.

Where else can anyone suggest?

Is it a bubble, is the bubble bigger, or is it more of a half moon in a 135 direction as random thoughts

Ok my random mission after my dark taraus region search is to head further out in this direction to 270-300LY from merope (factor of 2 distance) im not expecting to find anything but might be worthwhile ruling out. Maybe MB can tell us if UPs are space based or planet based as far as free floating or free spawning. If that is in fact one potential

 

[TuesdayFrog]

Guys,

Hunting for UPs (Convoys), I have noticed quite a few military convoys carriing Hafnium 178 (Hafnium 178m2, Hf, atomic number 72. This nuclear isomer has the potential to unleash enormous quantities of gamma radiation, making it an excellent ingredient for use in devastating weapons of mass destruction. As a result Hafnium 178 is a highly controlled substance that is universally illegal to own without special dispensation.)

Could this be related?

Could the convoys be carring this to shield themselves from UP effects like the EMP?

Question - Has anyone honked an UP with Hafnium 178 on board or close by?

 

[DialBforBiscuit]

Agreed, it is becoming tiresome.

There are just too many unknowns to make it satisfying as a puzzle. We don't even know what we're trying to find.

We were close at one point, that was a couple hundred pages ago at least. We've split up in a thousand directions and now the puzzle is distorted with a thousand theories. There's a lot of smart, intelligent people here. One 'warmer' on a theory from MB and the puzzle will be solved in a week. Which is both a good thing and a bad thing.

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Guys,

Hunting for UPs (Convoys), I have noticed quite a few military convoys carriing Hafnium 178 (Hafnium 178m2, Hf, atomic number 72. This nuclear isomer has the potential to unleash enormous quantities of gamma radiation, making it an excellent ingredient for use in devastating weapons of mass destruction. As a result Hafnium 178 is a highly controlled substance that is universally illegal to own without special dispensation.)

Could this be related?

Could the convoys be carring this to shield themselves from UP effects like the EMP?

Question - Has anyone honked an UP with Hafnium 178 on board or close by?

This is probably related to the incoming fed-imp war.

 

[rizal72]

Well lots of posts from MB about UA/UP pointing.

And whichever way I cut it, it just leads me back to the assumption that UPs can be found somewhere in the Merope system.

Since the UA points at Merope star, and given the UP points at Merope 5c.

IF the UA/UP are broadcasting information
Then the direction implies that the UA is intended to function at long distance
And the UP is intended to function at a short distance

alternatively

IF the UA/UP are trying to lead us somewhere
Then again it implies that the UA is intended as a pointer at long distance
And the UP is intended as a pointer at a short distance

Whichever way I look at it the difference in pointing behaviour seems telling:

- Pointing at a star is the behaviour of something that needs to function at a range where planets aren't discernible
- Pointing at a local body is the behaviour of something that functions at a range where planets are discernible

And the only conclusion I can come to is that UPs are somewhere in Merope

This is pretty solid science, and it reflects my thoughts.
But as others have said, the UP could be floating around another planet in Merope, where 5c is the reference point for the drawing, to find this other planet. All inside the System.

 

[Erid]

This is pretty solid science, and it reflects my thoughts.
But as others have said, the UP could be floating around another planet in Merope, where 5c is the reference point for the drawing, to find this other planet. All inside the System.

Why it must be exactly around planet? Distant shell in Merope system looks more logical.

 

[BluWolve]

This is pretty solid science, and it reflects my thoughts.
But as others have said, the UP could be floating around another planet in Merope, where 5c is the reference point for the drawing, to find this other planet. All inside the System.

Are you suggesting a planet that is hidden from our discovery scanners, that we have to use the image to manually locate? I'm pretty sure every known planet in the system has been searched quite thoroughly, so I would presume it wouldn't be floating around one of those planets. Also rings, stars, pretty much every known celestial body has been inspected. If you are right and it is a hidden planet then I'm still stumped, I just cant decipher the image.

 

[LordZoltan]

The pointing at the planet is deliberate.

Michael

lol - to echo a comment I made a week ago - I really really really hope thay's the end of it.

Thanks!

 

[dynamicbob]

Why it must be exactly around planet? Distant shell in Merope system looks more logical.

A planet or inspace location somewhere in the UA shell, its a bigger needle and would require a more decentralised approach, but there are some that would argue blue in the face its in merope, so i think theres 2 schools of thought but neither has been proven outright just yet. So take both as searchable angles to cover both potentials

 

[bitstorm]

Why it must be exactly around planet? Distant shell in Merope system looks more logical.

Give it a go, totally anyone can try it, no UP needed.

FWIW, I did this twice last weekend, a path directly away from Merope 5c.

1st attempt to 2.2 million Ls.

2nd attempt to 0.17 Ly.

The thing is this doesn't rule anything out at all because at those distances your speed is so great that USSs literally can fly by in the blink of an eye, and well I was doing other stuff, it is honestly really hard to stare at a screen non-stop for a hour!

edit: I would like to think the image decodes to something specific in Merope, but.... y'know.

 

[who?]

And the only conclusion I can come to is that UPs are somewhere in Merope

All of which makes a lot of sense. The only 'blip' is why have they not been discovered then, there must be countless Cmdrs patrolling Merope at this point?

Maybe the free-floating UPs need Cmdrs to ping with discovery scanners (a la sonar) in order to trigger the response and make them readily detectible.. It certainly seems strange that they wouldn't have been discovered if they're in such a narrow search area.

 

[Patau82]

The pointing at the planet is deliberate.

Michael