I'm still surprised we haven't discovered anything with the lights on the MA stalks. Even without the UA, there's something there. Sometimes they are green, sometimes they are yellow. I think we need more speculating about that. Are those the only two colors or are there more?
UAs, Barnacles & More Thread 6 - The Canonn
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I'm still surprised we haven't discovered anything with the lights on the MA stalks. Even without the UA, there's something there. Sometimes they are green, sometimes they are yellow. I think we need more speculating about that. Are those the only two colors or are there more?
The "missing" were supposed to be a major storyline element that seems to have gone .. missing
Not sure if or how the Barneys might fit in with that but ... I think im going to go do some signal source hopping and see if there are things to find
Not sure if or how the Barneys might fit in with that but ... I think im going to go do some signal source hopping and see if there are things to find
What are you disagreeing with?
First part required understanding of Morse code that not everyone has.
Second part required a bit of clever thinking, yet hundreds of us, including you and me, didn't figure it out. We were looking into it as a community and Mike Juliett Kilo was the first to stumble upon it.
I only mentioned physicists and audio pros to highlight the different walks of life the Canonn comes from.
Scientists, engineers, medical professionals, artists, programmers, truck drivers, handymen and so on.
Generic? Yes. But simplistic?
People have noted that the notes occur very regularly, just over 20 seconds if I'm not mistaken. Why not treat them as a clock? The UAs communicated through Morse, showing intelligence. Perhaps now they are trying to use math to communicate, notably through the duration of the various signals. Even the tones could be looked at this way, comparing either the pulse length or, more likely, the frequency as a fraction of the clock "tick" length. But the other features give smaller numbers and so are more likely to have meaningful info.
For example, the thunder happens rather irregularly. Maybe four or five ticks? So: precisely measure the tick length. Precisely measure the time between thunders (or maybe just the thunders at which the background sounds "start over"). Divide the latter by the former, getting a real number, maybe try rational or multiples of pi, e, or golden ratio if it makes sense to do so. Look at a string of these for information.
For the thunders, this could probably be done visually from Audacity or a similar visual depiction. The other sounds (cattish yowls, violins, the rising background tone) may need be measured by ear, at least at first.
For example, the thunder happens rather irregularly. Maybe four or five ticks? So: precisely measure the tick length. Precisely measure the time between thunders (or maybe just the thunders at which the background sounds "start over"). Divide the latter by the former, getting a real number, maybe try rational or multiples of pi, e, or golden ratio if it makes sense to do so. Look at a string of these for information.
For the thunders, this could probably be done visually from Audacity or a similar visual depiction. The other sounds (cattish yowls, violins, the rising background tone) may need be measured by ear, at least at first.
New finding while listening to an unaltered Barnacle recording today.
At normal speed the duration between tones is not regular. A pattern from the unaltered recording that I took the other day had the following duration between tones: 41s, 20s, 20s, 19s,42s,20s,23s,20s,40s,23s,21s,21s,20s,23s,20s,22s,20s,20s,20s,40s,20s.
No useful information gained though.
I've attempted converting the binary into Hex, then comparing to a Hex colour chart for a 3 digit spatial co-ordinate however we would need rather long strings of recordings to make any use from that line of thought.
Other line of thought I had today was that the reason we can't find exact repeats is that the message content itself may be altered slightly with every repeat. First thing that came to mind was countdown clock ala independance day however finding the right comparison in a long enough message has proved difficult.
At normal speed the duration between tones is not regular. A pattern from the unaltered recording that I took the other day had the following duration between tones: 41s, 20s, 20s, 19s,42s,20s,23s,20s,40s,23s,21s,21s,20s,23s,20s,22s,20s,20s,20s,40s,20s.
No useful information gained though.
I've attempted converting the binary into Hex, then comparing to a Hex colour chart for a 3 digit spatial co-ordinate however we would need rather long strings of recordings to make any use from that line of thought.
Other line of thought I had today was that the reason we can't find exact repeats is that the message content itself may be altered slightly with every repeat. First thing that came to mind was countdown clock ala independance day however finding the right comparison in a long enough message has proved difficult.
So perhaps the C & M in the Barnacle Logo doesn't stand for Caine Massey. Maybe its meant as M & C for Morse Code.
Also, you might try looking for your delimiters as part of the message, like in a comma or tab delimited text file. For example, the slash character / seems to be a somewhat standard delimiter. In morse, -..-. is a slash /. Search for that in the strings of dots and dashes and see how many times it is in there. Bet you'll find a lot of them.
Another thought - the message could contain a word that indicates the beginning of the message: "Start", "Begin", etc. Might want to grab the morse for those words (and others with similar meaning) and search for them in the strings of dots and dashes you come up with as well. Same concept as finding where the entire message repeats only who knows how long the entire message really is?
We'll find it eventually
Also, you might try looking for your delimiters as part of the message, like in a comma or tab delimited text file. For example, the slash character / seems to be a somewhat standard delimiter. In morse, -..-. is a slash /. Search for that in the strings of dots and dashes and see how many times it is in there. Bet you'll find a lot of them.
Another thought - the message could contain a word that indicates the beginning of the message: "Start", "Begin", etc. Might want to grab the morse for those words (and others with similar meaning) and search for them in the strings of dots and dashes you come up with as well. Same concept as finding where the entire message repeats only who knows how long the entire message really is?
We'll find it eventually
Shame the tones aren't regular as clockwork; should have measured it myself. The thunder doesn't seem to have any reason for its lengths, they seem to be random almost precisely between one and two minutes long.
Is there a measurement of the frequency of the pulses? Some were talking about three or more tones, though I know at least one person mentioned it likely being due to volume differences. It seems this could be cleared up quickly by measuring a few frequencies. In addition, maybe the frequencies are fundamental in some way, something like the water hole band (though obviously not the actual water hole, that being MHz). Something on the order of 30Hz?
I have been thinking lately if the cerberus plague and the abduction of Palin are part of the MA/UA storyline.
I went looking in hope to stumble upon outposts of military organizations in uninhabited systems,
yet didn't find anything (cause i simply cannot be bugged with exploration having me to check every inch of a planet
with my eyeball, and having to hope that the spawning of objects happens).
I hereby suggest the following:
The Cannon has shown it's aptitude to organize people for CGs and base contruction.
I suggest constructing small outposts in uninhabted systems with ressources,
so we have listening posts around merope and see if there is any activity.
The passive boon to this is more stops for explorers and other ships lacking fuel scoops enroute to Maia.
I went looking in hope to stumble upon outposts of military organizations in uninhabited systems,
yet didn't find anything (cause i simply cannot be bugged with exploration having me to check every inch of a planet
with my eyeball, and having to hope that the spawning of objects happens).
I hereby suggest the following:
The Cannon has shown it's aptitude to organize people for CGs and base contruction.
I suggest constructing small outposts in uninhabted systems with ressources,
so we have listening posts around merope and see if there is any activity.
The passive boon to this is more stops for explorers and other ships lacking fuel scoops enroute to Maia.
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Yesterday I carefully listen and look into spectrum of sounds near the barnacle, kindly provided by CMDR Bitstorm. My strong opinion - there is no hidden information inside of the sound.
View attachment spectrum-02-opinion.pdf
Today I also found this video: https://youtu.be/dPcIawBVLTk?t=786 . Pay attention to UA, it spins, very slowly. I don't know why , but I have fillings that this is some kind of navigation device and rotation maybe somehow in correlation of planet rotation. How to test - place UA on close to planet spin axis and near the equator.
Is there any recordings of UA sound as a function of place in galaxy ?
Cargo containers for safe transportation of UA's should be made of Meta-alloys?
View attachment spectrum-02-opinion.pdf
Today I also found this video: https://youtu.be/dPcIawBVLTk?t=786 . Pay attention to UA, it spins, very slowly. I don't know why , but I have fillings that this is some kind of navigation device and rotation maybe somehow in correlation of planet rotation. How to test - place UA on close to planet spin axis and near the equator.
Is there any recordings of UA sound as a function of place in galaxy ?
Cargo containers for safe transportation of UA's should be made of Meta-alloys?
Maybe it is not encoded with morse.
Did someone tried it with QAM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrature_amplitude_modulation
or with PSK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-shift_keying
I did not have a adequad program for analyse it.
Did someone tried it with QAM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrature_amplitude_modulation
or with PSK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-shift_keying
I did not have a adequad program for analyse it.
It`s definitely not a Morse code, just because the Morse code was invented by the humans. Both modulation types require some carrier frequency, and have very distinctive spectrum characteristics, which was`t found in the audio files.
Please read my post #4012.
Again, this is a game made by humans, it will NOT have true alien communications.
There is already a foundation for Morse use. See Unknown Artefacts.
Has yhere been any more UAs that have been found that dont point to merope?
Could they point to a nebular that also has barnicles?
I feel that the next pice of the puzzle is to find some in another nebular, however a way to find them easier than tralling the surface of a planet and hopeing for the best is needed as well.
I dont think the barnicles have any hidden message in there sound, and much like the UAs it wont be of any real use even if it does.
why are some barnicles deliberatly placed and some not? Why bother hand placeing them when they can spawn randomly? Are the hamd placed ones the significant ones? And the others are juat for a largwr supply of meta alloys for cg purposes?
there doesnt seem to be any thing significant about the hand placed ones I can tell so mabe its just that they were the first ones walst they made the code for the rest?
it seems like there is so much that could be missleading simply due to dev timeing and procedures. Do we even know there is more of the stoey to be made or is it all there redy to be worked out? What of I spend weeks searching a nebula only to find I missed it as it wasnt developed yet?
Could they point to a nebular that also has barnicles?
I feel that the next pice of the puzzle is to find some in another nebular, however a way to find them easier than tralling the surface of a planet and hopeing for the best is needed as well.
I dont think the barnicles have any hidden message in there sound, and much like the UAs it wont be of any real use even if it does.
why are some barnicles deliberatly placed and some not? Why bother hand placeing them when they can spawn randomly? Are the hamd placed ones the significant ones? And the others are juat for a largwr supply of meta alloys for cg purposes?
there doesnt seem to be any thing significant about the hand placed ones I can tell so mabe its just that they were the first ones walst they made the code for the rest?
it seems like there is so much that could be missleading simply due to dev timeing and procedures. Do we even know there is more of the stoey to be made or is it all there redy to be worked out? What of I spend weeks searching a nebula only to find I missed it as it wasnt developed yet?
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If this is true - its quite sad
It is true. And I think you should go back through the previous notes, even though it will take a while.
But it's not sad. It's a game. We're not actually scientists, working over months professionally in our various fields of expertise such as xenobiology, linguistics and cryptography to decipher a truly alien signal (if it is actually supposed to be an alien signal, which isn't fully established). We're some people engaging in a little bit of fantasy in our spare time. Flying a ship probably wouldn't be as straightforward in the real world, either - but we accept the game's approximation.
There are some other reasons why I don't think we're dealing with Morse Code this time, but don't worry - try to enjoy the puzzle for what it is, if you can.
This is my thinking. For some time, i ve decided that the sign on the barnacles are not a view of a nebula, but a shape of stars in the sky seen from probably a system close to a nebula with lots of white stars. Now I have landed in systems in NGC 7822 and, my, all those white/blues stars that from some certain view point look like a crescent.
Anyhow, I ve got the impression that is nebula is on the border with the formidine Rift. Maybe it's worth a good look.
Anyhow, I ve got the impression that is nebula is on the border with the formidine Rift. Maybe it's worth a good look.
Seriously, this is explained at least once in every single one of all the earlier threads.
Said Morse is not 'actual' Morse, but a stylised version of it. People with knowledge of actual Morse didn't figure it out from the start. It most certainly isn't the clear dit-dah noises, but a sort of wip-warp-HONK type of noise.
People please, at least go through the trouble of listening to the original sound clips before you dismiss it as 'just morse'. Better yet, go and find a UA and stare at it blankly, trying to make out what it's saying.
Just to add some context here, there's always been some varying definition of "morse" about the UA. Let's start with some definitions:
- The UA "purrs" are the periodic noises (which sound like horn blasts sped up) heard while the UA appears "unlit".
- The UA "Honk" (or Whale Noise) is the prolonged noise which occurs when the UA transitions from "unlit" to "lit"
- The UA "Chitter" is the clicking noises heard while the UA is lit up
Now the definitions are out of the way, the different things people sometimes refer to as "Morse"
- The "official" morse is what was discovered by the community (and myself) within the "chitter" of the UA. This used to be the name of the nearest celestial body encoded into morse, but transmits a wireframe of the nearest (?) ship. This was initially "disproven" by a lot of people within the community, especially by people who pushed the chitter into "morse detection" software, which failed to find the morse. This is because of two factors, which combine to make the morse somewhat stylised:
* Dit's and Dah's are actually high pitch and low pitch tones of equal "length", whereas traditional morse dits and dahs have the same pitch, but different length.
* Each morse "letter" actually has two variants, one longer and one shorter, which has been verified (though I won't explain how for <reasons>)
- The "purrs" have long thought to contain some sort of code, but nobody has ever discovered anything which represents a reliable pattern. This has been very heavily analysed since the beginning of the UA plot arc. In my own opinion, it's been over-analysed, and is simply an idle "heartbeat" though this is purely my own speculation.
- There's been a claim that there's a constant morse signal of "VID8" in the background whine of the UA. Multiple people have claimed to hear it, though any meaning behind it has never been found. My own opinion again, but I believe this to just be coincidence and the result of over-analysis, again just my own speculation though.
So basically, the UA's have been proven to emit morse in the chitter, but no other reliable "message" has been discerned from any other part of the UA signal. To date, I don't think anything reliable has been discerned from the Barnacles either, though morse has been a starting point due to it's obvious connections, both in terms of noise and plot, to the UAs.
Just for some extra context, it took me one night (8pm-1am, I enjoy this kinda thing) of examining the UAs to hypothesise that there was morse in the chitter, but I neither had a UA nor the time and space to create my own samples and "prove" this. This hypothesis wasn't welcomed at the time, but when a few more people started getting UAs and produced some more samples, I hypothesised it was morse via a different method in one night's work again. What took weeks of effort was convincing people who were certain it wasn't morse, that it actually was, and supporting others who had UAs in contributing to proving it was morse.
Once the morse changed from the nearest celestial body to the ship wireframe, it took another CMDR a week or so to discover. Point being, if nothing else been found in the UA noise in over a year of it being in the game, it's very unlikely that there's anything else to it at this stage. But again, just my opinion.
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