UAs, Barnacles & More Thread 6 - The Canonn

[Julio Montega]

The effort of mimicking a culture's appearance (our ships) and trying to explore our behaviour on a greater scale,
might simply be a highly sophisticated try to communicate with us.
The DBX might be the shiptype most present in the Pleiades, we could check that via the "traffic" stats.

The other logical possibility is, as was stated before, that some special faction with Sn:N designated ships
has been alerted to the activit in the pleiades.
The fact, that a DBX visited Obsidian Orbital states, that their base is farther away,
requiring reliable jump range to reach O-Orbital.

I could think of plenty better suited ships for a stealth approach.

I wonder why the article states, that the ship approached from 10 KM,
todays we approach to 8,5 KM via Supercruise.
Has the ship been away from civilization for centuries, not updating the drop off protocol
to actual security states?

 

[AlexVII]

Well, this theory is very nice from a story writing perspective but with one extremely subtle issue. It's nothing glaring or anything so only the most observant reader would have noticed.

If the UAs were transforming into ships inside the station holds, wherever they are stored, wouldn't it be a little hard for them to go out to the landing bay and launch without anyone going 'OH MY GOD! JESUS AND THE OTHER 2098357881 GALACTIC DEITIES! What on Planet Lave! Bloody hell. What's that PYTHON doing in there weapons storage smashing everything into walls? Holy Crap! There is a Cobra in the CORRIDOR!' while screaming, crying uncontrollably and running in circles with their arms in the air?

What I think is, the UAs may be turning into ships but they also have the ability to teleport and do it outside. If this is the correct assumption, we may start seeing news in GalNet speaking of UAs mysteriously disappearing from stations.

Second paragraph

I think that the whole population was evacuated from damaged stations, and it is unlikely anyone from personnel would want to go down to storages to check.
And we do not know exactly where storages are located. They may be close to the hangars.

 

[crushdepth]

Second paragraph

I think that the whole population was evacuated from damaged stations, and it is unlikely anyone would want to go down to storages to check.
And we do not know exactly where storages are located. They may be close to the hangars.

Wait till Coriolis stations start scanning people and flying off at improbable speed.

 

[Han_Zen]

UAs scan our ships, they "eat" them, "eat" our stations, and generally behave inappropriately.
Why?

UAs are turning into our ships. It makes perfect sense.

Ps. I hope this mess makes sense.
Pps. We're all doomed...

I think it makes sense. UAs copy what the can find.

The UA it self has copied the exploration probes tha we have dumped on every planet in the galaxy. Morse, scanning and hyper-spaceing.

They have sampeled every module and scanned every ship. Now they copy them and move on to scanning stations.

It's evolution.

 

[fyo]

is that affected by the graphics settings? so is it the same distance on low as it is on ultra?

Not affected by graphics settings. Not that I can get anything above single-digit frame rates at Ultra while flying above a planet, but I have tried it. I'll try to get some screenshots...

 

[DrakeAurum]

There's another possibility aside from them mimicking our ships.

Typically, a carried UA will decay a ship slowly until either the ship is destroyed or its cargo hatch malfunctions and the UA pops out - but maybe on some occasions, if the UA manages to find a degree of compatibility with the ship, at some point it stops simply absorbing it and actually merges with it, taking over its functions. Once the life support is compromised and the crew expire, the UA wears the ship as a second skin, like a hermit crab moving into a new shell, and uses it to go about its mysterious business.

And here's one final scary thought: Maybe that's the way all UAs are supposed to function, but it's just taking some time for them to adapt to our technology.

 

[Boomer Kay]

I don't think the UAs copy our ships. Not impossible, but they just seem too small for such a task.

Theory 1: they sent the data of our ships to some alien facility that copies them and sends them to us for further exploration/contact
Theroy 2: the ships are not copied at all but part of that "mysterious" human group that had contact with the xenogroup (crashed conda etc.) before and are enhanced trough alien technology

Just to be sure. Has anyone overlayed this:

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With this:

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And a word of warning for those investigating Distress Calls in the Pleiades. There is at least one instance, where a ship is attacked by at least a wing of around 4 pirates that seem to like focusing fire on you as soon as you get close.
My DBX is a bit more battle equipped (biggest shield generator, reinforced alloy bulkheads) than my ASP (tincan with minimal shields) and I had to boost-wake pretty quickly.

 

[Herkfixer]

The effort of mimicking a culture's appearance (our ships) and trying to explore our behaviour on a greater scale,
might simply be a highly sophisticated try to communicate with us.
The DBX might be the shiptype most present in the Pleiades, we could check that via the "traffic" stats.

The other logical possibility is, as was stated before, that some special faction with Sn:N designated ships
has been alerted to the activit in the pleiades.
The fact, that a DBX visited Obsidian Orbital states, that their base is farther away,
requiring reliable jump range to reach O-Orbital.

I could think of plenty better suited ships for a stealth approach.

I wonder why the article states, that the ship approached from 10 KM,
todays we approach to 8,5 KM via Supercruise.
Has the ship been away from civilization for centuries, not updating the drop off protocol
to actual security states?

DBX isn't the ship most present, by more than 5 to 1, that honor goes to the ASP. In the 500's and the DBX in the 90's. Even Cobras, in the 100's were more present than DBX.

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That being said. I wonder if the "alien" DBX is being counted in the stats as one of the actual DBX's.

 

[Herkfixer]

A question for the math nerds, (respectfully), I know its been said that while Merope 5C is tidally locked, people have used that it has a sunset and sunrise that would mean that the pillars wouldnt always point to the same place. However, has anyone actually verified if the site actually changes in respect to the background field of stars. While 5C is tidally locked with 5, 5 still orbits around the parent star. So it seems plausible that the barnacle site on Merope 5C "could" still point to the same background stars all the time based on its rotation around Merope 5 and Merope 5's rotation around Merope. Is this making sense? So you should be able to figure based on the position on the planet, the rotational period around Merope 5 and then both of their rotation around Merop. I took some screens of the rotational periods etc for ease of finding the data if you feel you can do the math and plotting.

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Edit: Disregard. While I still couldnt find anyone that specifically did this experiment, I did find a time lapse someone put on youtube for something different where I was able to see the background stars move. Slow albeit, but they do move.

 

[crushdepth]

I don't think the UAs copy our ships. Not impossible, but they just seem too small for such a task.

Theory 1: they sent the data of our ships to some alien facility that copies them and sends them to us for further exploration/contact
Theroy 2: the ships are not copied at all but part of that "mysterious" human group that had contact with the xenogroup (crashed conda etc.) before and are enhanced trough alien technology

Just to be sure. Has anyone overlayed this:

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http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a323/Calaban/Elite Dangeous/barnacle mark.png

With this:

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And a word of warning for those investigating Distress Calls in the Pleiades. There is at least one instance, where a ship is attacked by at least a wing of around 4 pirates that seem to like focusing fire on you as soon as you get close.
My DBX is a bit more battle equipped (biggest shield generator, reinforced alloy bulkheads) than my ASP (tincan with minimal shields) and I had to boost-wake pretty quickly.

Another possibility is that it wasn't a DBX, it had just been disguised to look like one (UA transmission of ship appearance).

 

[Boomer Kay]

Another possibility is that it wasn't a DBX, it had just been disguised to look like one (UA transmission of ship appearance).

Thought about that, but again that "making sense" little voice in my head .. why would a device that we know (the UAs) and that in some way knows that we know it (if you know what I mean ;P ) "disguise" itself as something a lot more suspicious than it's usual mysterious self.

A disguise only works if it's unsuspicious. A random UA appearing near Obsidian Orbital scanning it would be less suspicious than this.

 

[Jorge]

I've tried replicating the results with the Merope 5C barnacle, without luck. It is in the middle of the night local Barney Time on Merope 5C, so that could be an issue.

I'm now at Pleione trying to find Barnacles "blind" using Fehler's Method. First result was a bit of a Fehler, though. Took me straight to a small wreck with some standard salvage.

Going to keep at it. The most intelligent approach would probably have been to go to JC-U B3-2 2 and see if I can replicate the results there before moving on.

You may want to wait until they release the next update, which MB said should come early this week. Since the update is supposed to take care of the bug that makes barnacles not spawn, you may be wasting your time by checking areas that are supposed to have barnacles. If they are not there you won't know if it's because they "really" are not there, or because of the "no-show" bug. So then to be 100% sure you'll have to go and re-check all those areas again.

 

[DrakeAurum]

I don't think the UAs copy our ships. Not impossible, but they just seem too small for such a task.

Except that we now have positive confirmation that they can absorb nearby materials in order to repair themselves. They could just as easily do so in order to grow. All they'd need is a nice metal-rich planet or asteroid belt, and they could function as mine, refinery and manufacturing plant all rolled into one.

 

[Boomer Kay]

Except that we now have positive confirmation that they can absorb nearby materials in order to repair themselves. They could just as easily do so in order to grow. All they'd need is a nice metal-rich planet or asteroid belt, and they could function as mine, refinery and manufacturing plant all rolled into one.

Exactly, we have confirmation that they "repair themselves" with the materials they absorb. Not the slightest hint at any other function.
Our ships can repair themselves, too. Doesn't mean they grow.

 

[CMDRRickdonNL]

aargh F#ck this,, new thread every thing

After being on the ship for 2,5 weeks it's a lot to read i stopped after 90 pages of the last thread,

so where we searching for now can somebody brighten my a little bit?

Do i need to refit for war? lol

thanx

 

[fyo]

On Fehler's Method:

I don't want to be negative, but after looking at the different planets, I've come to the conclusion that the method doesn't work. The "green" isn't directly related to the barnacles at all, but rather just the color of the mineral rich deposits.

In other words, this appears to be just a rediscovery of the original "barnacles are located on the brightly colored sandy / mineral patches". It just so happens that the mineral patches on JC-U B3-2 2 are greenish compared to the rest of the planet surface PLUS the place is crawling with barnacles (which explains why pretty much all these mineral patches have a barnacle).

I'm being severely impacted by the no-show bug right now (first for me), so my ability to investigate further is limited. At this point, however, my tentative conclusion is that the method isn't one we can apply to other planets, except so far as to look for "colored spots" (which we've been doing anyway).

 

[Han_Zen]

aargh F#ck this,, new thread every thing

After being on the ship for 2,5 weeks it's a lot to read i stopped after 90 pages of the last thread,

so where we searching for now can somebody brighten my a little bit?

Do i need to refit for war? lol

thanx

What - you can't play ED on the Inmarsat onboard. I'm shocked!

Just read the second post in this thread. Riz is doing a brilliant job, keeping it up to date.

Oh- and we are looking for ships with designations like S6:7 and S8:9. Most likely found in distress calls. They are mysterious.

 

[CMDRRickdonNL]

What - you can't play ED on the Inmarsat onboard. I'm shocked!

Just read the second post in this thread. Riz is doing a brilliant job, keeping it up to date.

Oh- and we are looking for ships with designations like S6:7 and S8:9. Most likely found in distress calls. They are mysterious.

Haha lol it's not really the intention to install ED on a pc on the ship and play via Inmarsat that will really turn some heads lol!

Oke so where now down with mysterious ships!
In Maia?

 

[Fehler]

On Fehler's Method:

I don't want to be negative, but after looking at the different planets, I've come to the conclusion that the method doesn't work. The "green" isn't directly related to the barnacles at all, but rather just the color of the mineral rich deposits.

In other words, this appears to be just a rediscovery of the original "barnacles are located on the brightly colored sandy / mineral patches". It just so happens that the mineral patches on JC-U B3-2 2 are greenish compared to the rest of the planet surface PLUS the place is crawling with barnacles (which explains why pretty much all these mineral patches have a barnacle).

I'm being severely impacted by the no-show bug right now (first for me), so my ability to investigate further is limited. At this point, however, my tentative conclusion is that the method isn't one we can apply to other planets, except so far as to look for "colored spots" (which we've been doing anyway).

Agree, there are two possible explanations: Either barnacles are observable from orbit, because their presence is indicated by patches that are somehow highlighted (in this case by the faint greenish color), or the mineral rich patches are indeed only a prerequisite for barnacles AND the number of barnacles on Pleiades Sector JC-U B3-2 2 increased dramatically within the last few days which makes them easy to find.

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

On the subject of this unusual ship... is it possible the reason the UAs scanned ships was simply so that *they* could replicate our designs in order to pass through space undetected... well except for the fact that they can fly faster than a Cobra set up for smuggling.

It's BSG all over again. "They look and feel human."