UAs, Barnacles & More Thread 6 - The Canonn

[Han_Zen]

Don't be. We wiped out their advanced scouting party with a virus. They might be somewhat peeved by that.


For me the UAs are searching for those Scouts MB has spoken about a couple of years ago now. It just seems more and more obvious that the UA are looking for something and seem to have found it. They scan every ship. And then transmit that in wireframe morse. In what way is that not telling us they are looking for a specific type of ship and just before Horizons was released, they found it - change in behaviour and point to location of discovery. Then we found the barnacles and we thought they were pointing at them so FDev added Barnies else where to make us question our conclusions. i.e. the Barnies are not what the UA are pointing at. Nor are the Barnies the thing that the UA have found. What do UA do? Scan Ships....

This is about what I'm thinking to.

UAs set up their shell in the summer of 3301. Exactly 150 years after the Mycoid bombing. They are looking for signals dating from 3151-3166. Why? Because they found out that the 'scouting party' survived. The Mycoid (probably closer to fungus than virus) only destroyed their technology. Hyper-drives in particular.

The Thargoids are looking for their 'missing'.

Barnacles are probably a 'plant' that the Thargoids brought for materials. Perhaps they even tracked down the Pleiades as the scene of the crime, by following the 'barnacle trail' from nebula to nebula? What then would we find, if we manage to follow the trail the other way?

Don't worry to much though, the 'Architects' are monitoring the situation.

 

[frostypaw]

The new Lore is that we infected the thargoids with a super strain of Mycoid - basically sending them into the dark ages in terms of space travel. If they have recovered, they would more than likely be at a disadvantage compared to humans who have had the time to continue to expand and build numbers while they dealt with mycoid.

I have to stop the train right there - you what?

Do you have a reference to that? Last I knew the thargoid history has basically been reset to "some contact in secret perhaps but that's it"

 

[Cometborne]

Test with destroying a UA in space is complete, and the fragments look to be pointing in random directions. Currently working on uploading the video to youtube. Will post the link to this video and the planetary UA death scream here once done.

Here we go. UA in space, destroyed by ramming at approx. 6:45, then the alignment test.

Spoiler

[video=youtube_share;2u8Fw-nJR9s]https://youtu.be/2u8Fw-nJR9s[/video]

And the death of an UA on a planet:

Spoiler

[video=youtube_share;PwVQS_ITWr4]https://youtu.be/PwVQS_ITWr4[/video]

 

[Han_Zen]

I have to stop the train right there - you what?

Do you have a reference to that? Last I knew the thargoid history has basically been reset to "some contact in secret perhaps but that's it"

This is one possible branch from FFE. I would give it about 20% chance to hold.
Even then, just a scouting party.

 

[Vision1776]

Countless people? A couple of hundred maybe. To search 13 landable bodies totaling over 200 million square km, more than the surface area of the Earth. You've massively underestimated the size of stuff in space. But then, everyone does.

There should be a well organized exploration team setup. Scanning the grids on these planets one at a time.
My only doubt about that is that the UAs point to the Star. If they are transmitting somewhere then they dont necessarily need to point to the location. Maybe they are bouncing signals off the star? Either way, I am willing to assist with this. Right now I am doing what one man can to scan the Bernards loop and surrounding nebulae. It is really pretty looking out here. I landed on a moon rotating around an earth-like. Gorgeous!

 

[Darth Ender]

dont forget, INRA is out there still and they're behind permit blocking and probably behind destruction of ships that have scan data / experimental hyperspace drives. Their purpose is to keep humans from venturing too close to the Thargoids. At least it was anyway.

I'd be more concerned over the shadowy military that nobody acknowledges exists yet has the power to block off entire sectors of the galaxy from human travel and destroyed the Thargoids (or kept them from entering human space again ...depending on the retcon) the first time.

 

[Vision1776]

Hi Everyone! Loads of effort on this thread but not enough biscuits and tinfoil theories. Place has gone to pot!

Let me help with some of the tinfoiling.

As a lurker, I have been pondering the significance of all of the community's fine discoveries. The UA, pointing to Merope, finding the Barnies, and now more in California. Lets take a step back and look at the big picture for a minute. I am sure many of you fine Canonn thinkers will have been pondering along the same lines. So I will just put the questions I am really struggling with here.

We thought the UAs were pointing to the Barnacles. As they are not exclusively Pleiades, (some found in Cali-Neb) we must, as good scientists, now ask, what if it is not Barnacles they were pointing to? If they are not pointing to Barnacles, what might they be pointing to? What have we not found......

Ok so lets recap on the UAs. Unknown Artefacts scan ships. They scan and then transmit the shape to the scanned ship in a morse format - to whom?. And point to Merope- Why?. Once they did not point to Merope. So, what made them point to Merope? Did they find what they were looking for? I think so. I am now not so convinced it was the Barnacles. I think those Barnies are a product of the search, not the object of it.

Next, Barnacles are not space dwelling. They require gravity and nutrients. Drop a UA and it does not scan it and transmit a morse pattern for it. They are too similar in some of their observable characteristics i.e. fireflies and some sounds. Now they also seem to be able to spread. Were we able to look at them under a microscope I am sure we would agree they are actually a living organism. That makes them not a ship, and therefore not a target for the UA.

Still with me?

I think the UAs found what they were looking for. We haven't yet. This only make sense if the UA were looking for a ship - it is what they do! Barnicals could be self replicating UA factories. For me the UA are looking for something, found it, and are now still pointing to it. Where is the shell around the Cali-neb if they are pointing to Barnies? i think there will be UA in Cali-Neb but they will point to Merope too. Kyp is asking similar questions too, here - https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...stems-survey?p=4081490&viewfull=1#post4081490

Some people on this thread have been feeling that we are missing something - I agree. Work the time line and the observable behaviours and events. Is my logic wrong? If I'm right there is something else to find.

Good points. The UAs are possibly looking for a ship since that is what they scan. The UAs also transmit the system info of their nearest astro. They basically say, I found a ship in this system, here's the schematics. The UAs found what they are looking for in Merope. Good theory.

Only problem is that no UAs have been spotted inside Merope at all. Can they scan that far? Maybe.

Until someone finds a good lead Im scanning the nebulae at and around Bernards Loop. But let me know if you guys want to organize a good search in Merope I will assist with that.

I gotta say all those systems blocked by unkown permit within the area inside of the 3 nebulae I mention is highly suspicious. Basically the entire area inside what I am calling "The Triangle" is blocked by unknown permits. I had to go all the way around to get to Orion Nebula and the damn engineers want half my body just for a damn upgrade to my FSDs. I say the community boycots them. Then we'll see if they lower the damn prices.

 

[Vision1776]

For all those people saying I am "Over the top"

You are right. I am over the top. I am also willing to help you with anything related to this topic.

This whole topic is fascinating to me. It is the only reason I came back to the game and bought Horizons. I been playing since day 1 and I got bored and left after a year or so. Now Im back and it's only because of Canonn and the whole alien mystery. I am a computer programmer in real life and problem solving is something I do on a daily basis. I am caught up on the topic so I know what I am talking about most of the time. If you dont want to help me out that's fine, everyone has their own theories. I am following my leads, but dont count me out from helping where I can. If you have a good lead let me know and I will do what I can to help

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

"...witch-space...drive engines... station infrastructure intact but...we are..."

Witch space? I thought we use hyperspace now... hm. Well I may commence a search.

My understanding is that there is only hyperspace, but it just happens that the more superstitious of spacefarers call it witch-space as they believe it is haunted with those who went in but never came out.... well at least that's what I've taken from every source I've read (including Drew's site).

 

[irongut]

Yup all makes sense, but in relation to the direction, and things pointing the opposite direction to how you might think (and looked well cool in the process) I give you, The Liberator.

https://www.sffchronicles.com/attachments/23565/

+ all my rep for my fav ship

Technically, any radio transmission travels through space in perpetuity if not inhibited.

If you mean how far can it travel and still be readable, then it entirely depends how strong and how focused the signal was. And that, we do not know.

It also depends on the sensitivity of the reciever.

As I've mentioned before, morse is perfect in situations where you need to transmit a recievable (and understandable) message over a long distance and/or with very little power.

 

[H3lios]

The highlighted option is my preferred one.
I think it's an eye.

Also look at the wiki entry for Barnacles. The name was chosen by Frontier deliberately.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnacle

For example
6 plates to surround and protect their bodies... sounds familiar indeed.

Expanding on that,

"Barnacles are displaced by limpets and mussels, which compete for space."

Has anyone shot a limpet drone at one of these things?

 

[Kurt Ambrose]

Maybe making as many long distance, modified hyperspace jumps, you will have a chance of meeting Jauqes in witch-space. Engineered FSD plus FSD injections. Could cause the drive to malfunction mid jump..... that seems like a stretch for game mechanics though. We all know how well the barnacles worked when we first found them.
Maybe it's not "witch-space", it's "which-space" as in where the ef are we?????
I lack the required materials to test such a theory though.

 

[CookieJarviz]

I am currently watching E3 stuff... ill be on whenver its over today... i might take a nice trip around merope see if i can find anything.

 

[IsAB]

Hello commanders,

I've been fiddling with the UA's audio since yesterday as it seems to me that it may have more info to give us and trying to establish what has already been done with it through the 5 previous threads is pretty hard.

I've found 3 UA's since yesterday and recorded them first before approaching within 1km, after approaching and getting scanned, and finally after dumping them from the cargo hold and letting them die.

Recording and decoding the morse is very time consuming and i dont have very much free time so i've still only partially decoded the "before approach" recordings of 2 UAs (i spawned within 1km of the third one so no "untouched" recording of that)

I was under the impression that they would transmit the system name before approaching and my ship's wireframe after approaching but from what i've seen so far, only the wireframe of my asp is being broadcasted even before i get scanned.

Maybe someone who has been following the subject longer can help me get my facts straight...

What exactly are the UAs supposed to transmit and are there any known patterns? (system name and then wireframe, wireframe and then system name etc...)

PS: Any links to "clean" (no ship/menu sounds) recordings of UA's would be appreciated too

Good points. The UAs are possibly looking for a ship since that is what they scan. The UAs also transmit the system info of their nearest astro. They basically say, I found a ship in this system, here's the schematics. The UAs found what they are looking for in Merope. Good theory.

 

[ilo]

remember guys, the scan message is a cargo scan message from a cargo scan action.

for one week I've been experimenting with UAs and NPCs and i can say I confirmed that dropping the UA close to another NPC ship, the NPC runs as soon as it is deployed, same behaviour as if you do a cargo scan on it. Only NPCs that didn't run were navy ships, police, pirates and bounty hunters. Any other NPC I tried flew away, except those, and these you can cargo scan without making them fly away.

my conclusion after all these tests: the UA might be broadcasting the Morse of the ship, but it is looking for something in our cargo.

 

[Kyp Shard]

remember guys, the scan message is a cargo scan message from a cargo scan action.

for one week I've been experimenting with UAs and NPCs and i can say I confirmed that dropping the UA close to another NPC ship, the NPC runs as soon as it is deployed, same behaviour as if you do a cargo scan on it. Only NPCs that didn't run were navy ships, police, pirates and bounty hunters. Any other NPC I tried flew away, except those, and these you can cargo scan without making them fly away.

my conclusion after all these tests: the UA might be broadcasting the Morse of the ship, but it is looking for something in our cargo.

Anyone been scanned while carrying Unknown Fragments o_0

 

[Han_Zen]

Anyone been scanned while carrying Unknown Fragments o_0

Yes. All the time.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

remember guys, the scan message is a cargo scan message from a cargo scan action.

for one week I've been experimenting with UAs and NPCs and i can say I confirmed that dropping the UA close to another NPC ship, the NPC runs as soon as it is deployed, same behaviour as if you do a cargo scan on it. Only NPCs that didn't run were navy ships, police, pirates and bounty hunters. Any other NPC I tried flew away, except those, and these you can cargo scan without making them fly away.

my conclusion after all these tests: the UA might be broadcasting the Morse of the ship, but it is looking for something in our cargo.

SAP8? Kerash mentioned a link between UAs & SAP8, and I seem to remember from a previous threadnought that someone had looked at them

 

[Kyp Shard]

Yes. All the time.

Figures

SAP8? Kerash mentioned a link between UAs & SAP8, and I seem to remember from a previous threadnought that someone had looked at them

Pretty sure SAP 8's have been covered - it's aaaaaall been covered

 

[Zieman]

SAP8? Kerash mentioned a link between UAs & SAP8, and I seem to remember from a previous threadnought that someone had looked at them

We've been adviced to look at the core of the problem? SAP 8 Core Containers, Meta Alloys, UAs?