Um... unless there are map options, I want my money back

Vampiro

Volunteer Moderator
the variation from the workshop has nothing to do with the ability to mix sand and snow

Don't try to always focus on a very small facet of a discussion. We started this discussion about variation, which is including but not limited to terrain textures. Canyons, rivers, mountains, lakes, caves, etc etc... its all possible to either shape it yourself the exact way you want it or choose one of hundreds examples from the workshop. Ofcourse every approach to terrain has its pro's and con's but it's hard to argue the tool we have today is way more advanced then what we had in RCT3.

Another facet is the ability to edit the terrain outside of your park, to which i already agreed that it would be nice to have. If we request it, it might get added in the future.

the "techincal limitations" have already been discussed to death. Can you show proof that frontier stated they "want to add this but it isn't done (yet)"?

Yes i can :

Andy C said:
This isn't just a restriction for restrictions sake. There are some really technical performance reasons why this works this way to do with how textures are applied to the voxel based terrain. If this was just a consequence-free switch we could flip we would have done so already. I know it's not what you guys want to hear, but I figure we should try and clarify when we've done these things for performance reasons verses arbitrary restrictions.

Cheers

Andy

https://forums.planetcoaster.com/sh...strictions/page7?p=98123&viewfull=1#post98123
 

Joël

Volunteer Moderator

I appreciate the link, however, it's invalid.

SirTophamHatt, if you are referring to the link posted above by Vampiro (see quote), then I can tell you that the link is valid. The link leads to an archived subforum which was only accessible for players who previously bought the Early Bird Edition of Planet Coaster. The quote is taken directly from one of Andy C 's posts in that subforum.
 

Vampiro

Volunteer Moderator
SirTophamHatt, if you are referring to the link posted above by Vampiro (see quote), then I can tell you that the link is valid. The link leads to an archived subforum which was only accessible for players who previously bought the Early Bird Edition of Planet Coaster. The quote is taken directly from one of Andy C 's posts in that subforum.

My bad [mouth shut]

For me / the link works obviously so didn't realize it might not work for others. However the quote i copy'ed is legit ;)
 
Last edited:
ooh, so a secret forum, that a limited number of people can access.
While I understand why it's limited access, it can cause confusion... and delay...
 
Last edited:
While we wait for the scenario editor/terrain generator, you could also check out on the workshop, there are several starter landscapes that users created to provide you with some variety after you get tired from starting in the same 'ol flat empty maps.
 

Vampiro

Volunteer Moderator
Not really secret, it's the Alpha forums.

*EDIT: Yes, the quote he provided was from Alpha, and I guess I'm confused but I'm not sure how it related to what Creaper was asking/saying.

Creaper was asking for proof that Frontier has stated that they wanted to add this but aren't able to because of technical reasons.


the "techincal limitations" have already been discussed to death. Can you show proof that frontier stated they "want to add this but it isn't done (yet)"?
 
Last edited:
Creaper was asking for proof that Frontier has stated that they wanted to add this but aren't able to because of technical reasons.

In the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter, but I thought he was asking for proof that they said it "isn't done yet"; not that it's not possible. I dunno, creaper can be cryptic sometimes. ;)
 
Frontier already stated they want to add this as well but it isn't done (yet)

Frontier has stated that they wanted to add this but aren't able to because of technical reasons.

You know your 2 statements are the exact opposite, in your first one you said they ARE WORKING ON IT AND ITS NOT DONE YET then in your second statement you say ITS NOT POSSIBLE... I was the one who originally mentioned the "technical limitations" and was asking for proof on why you said they are working on it and its not done yet. Your very confusing today

Don't try to always focus on a very small facet of a discussion.
What!? thats like if a kid asks for a cookie and you say "Oh but we have broccoli" your the one not following the conversation. The OP asked for certain features and out of the many responses your the only one who says "well at least we have all this other stuff" I mean thats great to look at the positives, but your the one ignoring the OPs request
 
Last edited:

Vampiro

Volunteer Moderator
You know your 2 statements are the exact opposite, in your first one you said they ARE WORKING ON IT AND ITS NOT DONE YET then in your second statement you say ITS NOT POSSIBLE... I was the one who originally mentioned the "technical limitations" and was asking for proof on why you said they are working on it and its not done yet. Your very confusing today


Ummm thats like if a kid asks for a cookie and you say "Oh but we have broccoli" your the one not following the conversation.

I never said they are working on it right now...

All i said it Frontier wants to add it, but weren't able at that time. If they are able to do it in the future ....nobody know's. All we know is they want to have it as well, from there you have to make your own conclusions. (notice the brackets around the word "yet" because i don't know if that word is applicable)

I didn't mention broccoli ... what i did was this : The kid asked for a cookie, chocolate, chips, winegums and gum. What he got were a cookie, chocolate, chips and gum... Feel free to request the winegum as well ofcourse, but saying he doesn't get any candy is a very negative view ;)
 
Last edited:
All i said it Frontier wants to add it, but weren't able at that time. If they are able to do it in the future ....nobody know's.

I know you dont work for frontier, but with the frontier volunteer badge i think you should be careful on how you words things. You never said "if" or "nobodys knows" you said "I have proof and heres the link!" even though you were making no sense. You did not say they wern't able to, you said they want to add it and its not done (YET!)

Can you show proof that frontier stated they "want to add this but it isn't done (yet)"?
that was my question that you responded to by saying "Oh heres the link showing they ARE working on it" and then you switch and say thats not what you meant [blah] Wablamo seems to have understood my point of view, but not everybody will and you made it sound as if new features were being improved
 
Last edited:

Vampiro

Volunteer Moderator
I know you dont work for frontier, but with the frontier volunteer badge i think you should be careful on how you words things. You never said "if" or "nobodys knows" you said "I have proof and heres the link!" even though you were making no sense. You did not say they wern't able to, you said they want to add it and its not done (YET!)


that was my question that you responded to by saying "Oh heres the link showing they ARE working on it" and then you switch and say thats not what you meant [blah] Wablamo seems to have understood my point of view, but not everybody will and you made it sound as if new features were being improved

We can keep getting back and forth about this... i never stated they ARE working on it right now. All i said was they would like to have this as well.
 
The fact that you refuse to acknowledge what you said and simply state you made a mistake is a bit surprising. As a volunteer for the forums you should not word things as such, you don't know what they are working on and acting like you do makes things sound differently than if it was just your opinion.
 
Last edited:
meh, reading back I think its more of an improper use of wording (using isn't done yet instead of has not been done yet) either way its a matter of interpretation on how it was said
 
everybody who uses the forums a lot (as I and Vampiro both are known for) then most people have seen the discussions on the "technical limitations" of the terrain. I stated that on the first page before Vampiro brought up the link to the quote. The technical limitation is something the devs have said would make the game unplayable if they were to mix too many. Whether or not a work around is possible has not been confirmed. For Vampiro to say "Frontier stated they want to add it but it isn't done yet" makes no sense in the context of the link he quoted

(using isn't done yet instead of has not been done yet)
this would not fix anything. Vampiro does not know what is or is not being worked on, and the word YET should not even be in his sentence. He should have started off by saying He THINKS or hopes, not that he is certain Frontier WANTS TO ADD THIS by providing a link, because it made it sound like he was saying that an update is going to be added, rather than him not really knowing anything
 
Last edited:
everybody who uses the forums a lot (as I and Vampiro both are known for) then most people have seen the discussions on the "technical limitations" of the terrain. I stated that on the first page before Vampiro brought up the link to the quote. The technical limitation is something the devs have said would make the game unplayable if they were to mix too many. Whether or not a work around is possible has not been confirmed. For Vampiro to say "Frontier stated they want to add it but it isn't done yet" makes no sense in the context of the link he quoted


this would not fix anything. Vampiro does not know what is or is not being worked on, and the word YET should not even be in his sentence. He should have started off by saying He THINKS or hopes, not that he is certain Frontier WANTS TO ADD THIS by providing a link, because it made it sound like he was saying that an update is going to be added, rather than him not really knowing anything

I dunno, I think it's fair to interpret it either way. One could conede that Vampiro's wording should have been less amiguous but I for one took it how he meant it.

Also there is is nothing wrong with the usage of yet in this case. It's common vernacular to use 'yet' to denote a maybe eg "My motorbike is really fast, but I haven't fallen off it (YET)!'. The inference here is not that he intends to fall off his bike, but he might.
 
Last edited:

Vampiro

Volunteer Moderator
The fact that you refuse to acknowledge what you said and simply state you made a mistake is a bit surprising. As a volunteer for the forums you should not word things as such, you don't know what they are working on and acting like you do makes things sound differently than if it was just your opinion.

I will acknowledge my mistake as soon as you can quote me where i said "They are working on it right now".

Same goes for the textures... altough Frontier already stated they want to add this as well but it isn't done (yet) because of techical reasons. Hopefully they find a way to do this in the future.

Nowhere in the above do i state it as a fact they are working on it right now. Hence the words "in the future".

But with this im closing this discussion with you as we might just disagree. Nothing wrong with disagreeing ofcourse but it takes the thread too far of topic and our personal discussion doesn't add anything.
 

Joël

Volunteer Moderator
You know your 2 statements are the exact opposite, in your first one you said they ARE WORKING ON IT AND ITS NOT DONE YET then in your second statement you say ITS NOT POSSIBLE... I was the one who originally mentioned the "technical limitations" and was asking for proof on why you said they are working on it and its not done yet. Your very confusing today

Those statements do not look like they are opposite of each other, at least not to me. Vampiro never said they are working on it. You may have interpreted his post differently from how Vampiro meant it. Also, to me personally it looks like you missed a sentence that Vampiro used in the same post;

[snip] altough Frontier already stated they want to add this as well but it isn't done (yet) because of techical reasons. Hopefully they find a way to do this in the future.

Frontier states that they want to add this (this = more terrain features), they have never stated that they are currently working on it. That they want to add this says something about their intentions/wishes for the game, not what they are currently working on. Again, you may have interpreted this differently from how Vampiro has meant it.

The fact that you refuse to acknowledge what you said and simply state you made a mistake is a bit surprising. As a volunteer for the forums you should not word things as such, you don't know what they are working on and acting like you do makes things sound differently than if it was just your opinion.

Vampiro never stated that he knows what Frontier is currently working on, neither did he act like that. Volunteer moderators (Vampiro and I included) are free to participate in any discussion on the forums. Volunteer moderators do not speak for Frontier and as such their words should not be considered that way. Fortunately, you do seem to understand this based on your own post quoted below.

everybody who uses the forums a lot (as I and Vampiro both are known for) then most people have seen the discussions on the "technical limitations" of the terrain. I stated that on the first page before Vampiro brought up the link to the quote. The technical limitation is something the devs have said would make the game unplayable if they were to mix too many. Whether or not a work around is possible has not been confirmed. For Vampiro to say "Frontier stated they want to add it but it isn't done yet" makes no sense in the context of the link he quoted

It does make sense, as long as you do not focus on a single sentence but also look at the sentence that follows in Vampiro's post (see quoted post above).

this would not fix anything. Vampiro does not know what is or is not being worked on, and the word YET should not even be in his sentence. He should have started off by saying He THINKS or hopes, not that he is certain Frontier WANTS TO ADD THIS by providing a link, because it made it sound like he was saying that an update is going to be added, rather than him not really knowing anything

To me personally it looks like this was a misunderstanding or misinterpretation.

With this being out of the way, I can gladly say that personally I would find it great if Frontier plans to add the following additional map options / features to the game;
- scenario editor
- editable terrain outside of the park boundaries
- more biomes (coast, beach, cliffs, town/city area, dense forest, rivers, etc.)
- ability to mix every available terrain texture (and ability to use custom terrain textures)
- a selection of starter maps that have already been terraformed (park itself and outside of park boundaries)
- more features that I can't imagine at this time but would be great to have either way [happy]
 
Last edited:
Back
Top Bottom