'Unable to receive data, storage full' stopping other data types being stored?

[Trelakir]

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<s>Been scanning to get enough DWEs to G5 FSD a ship from scratch, and to upgrade a few outstanding ships from basic G5 to max G5.

I now get 'Unable to receive data, storage full' when scanning wakes containing G1 materials (Atypical Disrupted Wake Echoes). Whilst circumstantial, based on continuing to scan more wakes for 30 minutes, any scan which contained a material that is at its storage limit won't store ANY materials for that scan e.g. Atypical + Eccentric in a scan = no data at all. Nothing is written to the journal when the red triangle warning is shown on screen, so I can't really tell if all those scans definitely contained more than just Atypicals. How often DWEs would appear with those, I'm not really sure.

You can't discard any of the data since some bright spark had the idea of removing the Discard option in the right hand data inventory panel <<<<--- FDEV, PUT DISCARD BACK IN, SIMPLEST EFFORT <<<<---

I'll now need to accept that I may only get DWEs if they appear without Atypicals, or go find an Encoded trader after food, from the current middle of nowhere Famine system I'm in, and TRADE UP to clear some room. Will also need to do this with Grade 3 and 4 since those are close to the limit as well. Those trade up ratios are going to be like a smack in the face...

Anyway, FYI might want to balance out some of your data accordingly. Guess this could affect ship scans as well, though that data is probably used up more due to number of blueprints they are in.

Tl;Dr annoyed player wants Discard option back in right hand materials/data panel because he thinks he may be missing out on G5 Datamined Wake Exceptions when "Unable to receive data, storage full" warning triangle appears on wake scans due to max G1 data being reached. Of course, this may all be due to poor RnG on my part though we use DWEs the most out of those G1 to G5 materials, so of course we're going to have a lot more of those than G5 mats.</s>

Edit 15/03 21:01: my best guess here is that it was unusual RnG, even for me. Prior to filling up the G1 data, I was getting G1s mixed with other grades. After filling up and for the next 30 minutes, whenever I got a G1 'storage full' message, only G1 mats were in that scan. Can't prove/disprove, but will generally just monitor. DWEs usually come along in their own scan anyway. I certainly ruled out any issue with settlement data point scans. SLFs were full, reporting they were full and I was still getting CIFs, Tagged Encryption Codes etc, as part of the scan.

 

[CMDR Ahab]

Been scanning to get enough DWEs to G5 FSD a ship from scratch, and to upgrade a few outstanding ships from basic G5 to max G5.

I now get 'Unable to receive data, storage full' when scanning wakes containing G1 materials (Atypical Disrupted Wake Echoes). Whilst circumstantial, based on continuing to scan more wakes for 30 minutes, any scan which contained a material that is at its storage limit won't store ANY materials for that scan e.g. Atypical + Eccentric in a scan = no data at all. Nothing is written to the journal when the red triangle warning is shown on screen, so I can't really tell if all those scans definitely contained more than just Atypicals. How often DWEs would appear with those, I'm not really sure.

You can't discard any of the data since some bright spark had the idea of removing the Discard option in the right hand data inventory panel <<<<--- FDEV, PUT DISCARD BACK IN, SIMPLEST EFFORT <<<<---

I'll now need to accept that I may only get DWEs if they appear without Atypicals, or go find an Encoded trader after food, from the current middle of nowhere Famine system I'm in, and TRADE UP to clear some room. Will also need to do this with Grade 3 and 4 since those are close to the limit as well. Those trade up ratios are going to be like a smack in the face...

Anyway, FYI might want to balance out some of your data accordingly. Guess this could affect ship scans as well, though that data is probably used up more due to number of blueprints they are in.

Tl;Dr annoyed player wants Discard option back in right hand materials/data panel because he thinks he may be missing out on G5 Datamined Wake Exceptions when "Unable to receive data, storage full" warning triangle appears on wake scans due to max G1 data being reached. Of course, this may all be due to poor RnG on my part though we use DWEs the most out of those G1 to G5 materials, so of course we're going to have a lot more of those than G5 mats.

Wouldn't worry about it, doesn't stop you from picking up other materials or data in any of the other bins. Just use them for basic upgrades and secondaries or trade them up for other stuff you need.

 

[Bunkerkind Anni]

discard option is pointless

go to a data trader and exchange your lower data materials to something higher, if you think that is blocking your storage

 

[Duckfather]

It's poor RnG. I had exactly the same a few days back and thought it was a bug. But a while later I saw datamined wake exceptions pop up. Just give it a bit of time

 

[Chris Simon]

Why would you want to discard data? Every type of mats and data now have its separate storage. Filling one doesn't affect your ability to gather others.
If you want to get rid of the annoying message (if that's what is bothering you), do what Anni suggests and go get some stuff you need in exchange for stuff that is full.

 

[Limoncello Lizard]

discard option is pointless

No it's not, it's convenient. What was pointless was removing the ability to discard.

Why should the OP have to travel to a broker to do something that should be a basic ship function?

The nearest data trader to my home system is 106ly.

Until the last patch we could discard mats and data.

 

[Limoncello Lizard]

Why would you want to discard data?

Why would someone want to reset their save?
It doesn't feature strongly in my idea of gameplay, yet many players do this.

 

[o'moylan]

Under the new system why would you ever want to discard materials ?

Storage may be full of 1 material but will pick up the other materials. No ?

 

[MadDogMurdock]

Some of you aren't reading the OP.

What he's concerned about is this:
Anomolous FSD Telemetry is full.

When the OP scans a ship that drops AFT and DWE, there's a concern that they don't get the DWE because of the full data feature.

 

[Chris Simon]

Why would someone want to reset their save?
It doesn't feature strongly in my idea of gameplay, yet many players do this.

Didn't you get the memo?
Filled up data storage for one particular type of data doesn't prevent you from gathering other types of data.

Some of you aren't reading the OP.

What he's concerned about is this:
Anomolous FSD Telemetry is full.

When the OP scans a ship that drops AFT and DWE, there's a concern that they don't get the DWE because of the full data feature.

That would be a very nasty bug, but in my experience it's not the case. You still get the other data, even if one of them is rejected due to full storage.

 

[Trelakir]

Maybe mountain/molehill, erroneous & circumstantial observations.

If a wake scan returns Atypical + eccentric. Atypical is already at 300/300, red triangle shown, no data stored for that scan (including the eccentric). I can't confirm that there was an Eccentric in there, but 30 minutes of further scanning resulted in no data being stored each time the red triangle was encountered. Maybe that was 30 minutes of only Atypicals in those particular scans, I doubt it though given I was getting others appearing in there before.

Different example. Data points? Could the fact that you've got 300 specialised legacy firmware stop a CIF or MCF being stored because the system freaked over finding a maxed out legacy firmware in the same scan result?

As I said, maybe other data is stored when its returned, but no blue text appeared confirming that. Nothing was written to my player journal on each of those red triangle scans

 

[Chris Simon]

Maybe mountain/molehill, erroneous & circumstantial observations.

If a wake scan returns Atypical + eccentric. Atypical is already at 300/300, red triangle shown, no data stored for that scan (including the eccentric). I can't confirm that there was an Eccentric in there, but 30 minutes of further scanning resulted in no data being stored each time the red triangle was encountered. Maybe that was 30 minutes of only Atypicals in those particular scans, I doubt it though given I was getting others appearing in there before.

Different example. Data points? Could the fact that you've got 300 specialised legacy firmware stop a CIF or MCF being stored because the system freaked over finding a maxed out legacy firmware in the same scan result?

As I said, maybe other data is stored when its returned, but no blue text appeared confirming that. Nothing was written to my player journal on each of those red triangle scans

If the game doesn't do what you think it should, bug report the hell out of it.

 

[Trelakir]

Good to know nobody else is seeing an issue with other data, so it may well just be very coincidental.

Almost full of legacy firmware, so will pop by Davs Hope later and do some scans to see if I still get CIFs/MCFs etc for peace of mind. I couldn't care less about a red triangle warning, common occurrence with the old limits. I just didn't like the idea that we could be missing out on other materials in the same scan that should have been stored.

 

[Limoncello Lizard]

Didn't you get the memo?
Filled up data storage for one particular type of data doesn't prevent you from gathering other types of data.

Yeah, because FD never gets anything wrong.

They got it wrong for mats, so I don't blame the OP for wondering if it's also wrong for data.

Being full of one mat blocks whatever limpets are currently carrying that mat. FD know this now and there is a fix for this coming.

 

[GG7]

No it's not, it's convenient. What was pointless was removing the ability to discard.

Why should the OP have to travel to a broker to do something that should be a basic ship function?

The nearest data trader to my home system is 106ly.

Until the last patch we could discard mats and data.

Doesn't matter. Discarding mats or data now is moot since each item has its own unique/separate inventory slot. When you have hit the inventory cap for a particular mat or data item, you will get a FULL message, but that is only referring to that one specific item. Not everything in that category.

It no longer has any impact on the collection of other mats or data that may come to you in a group as happens with the scanning of ships, wakes and comm beacons.

This is why the "Discard" button no longer functions. It has no purpose under the new system.

 

[GG7]

Being full of one mat blocks whatever limpets are currently carrying that mat. FD know this now and there is a fix for this coming.

That is an outlier and isn't something that happens very often. Even before the forthcoming fix that will auto-ignore everything that is maxed out, and un-ignore when the quantity dips below capacity.

 

[Truesilver]

My own experience of 3.0 bugged data storage is this:

I went into 3.0 with 450 CIF.

Correctly my new right panel showed 450/200.

I used some CIF. Correctly now 420/200.

I scanned a Data Point. Received multiple data mats including CIF.

My game crashed. Transaction server error ...

... and now busted down to 200/200 CIF.

Same thing happened to another forum regular.

Support had to credit us the value of the lost CIF in other data mats because they said the same thing would just keep happening again if they gave us the CIF back.

Ofc the OP's alleged bug is not identical. But based upon my own experience I would not be at all surprised if there are other bugs surrounding the implementation of the new data storage limits.

The link, I think, is this: the code does not appear to cope well with the fact that data (unlike other mats) can be simultaneously awarded in diverse batches. This in turn may cause transaction server conflicts with storage limits.

Perhaps...

 

[Trelakir]

Mods: please close thread. After some further testing, I believe my original suspicions were unfounded and it was just the randomness of a particularly RnG-ey RnG day.

Not that it matters now, but:

I susequently scanned a planetary data point ~30 times and consistently received other data within the same scan when one type had already reached its data limit.

After redistributing my original wake scan data at a trader, I also spent an hour at a new distribution centre scanning ship wakes (BD07 4419, Planet A 1).

There were more singular results here, but still had noticeable periods of receiving two types per scan, followed by periods of just one type per scan (the latter fitting with my originally thinking that there was a problem).

From 127 scans, I got the following:

28 scans with nothing at all, zip, nada, zero, zilch

34 scans with Atypicals
17 scans with Anomalous FSDs
16 scans with Eccentrics
7 scans with Strange Wakes
3 scans with DWEs

2 scans with double Atypicals
2 scans with double Eccentrics
2 scans with double Strange Wakes
2 scan with double DWEs

4 scans with Atypicals + DWEs
3 scans with Atypicals + Eccentrics
3 scan with Anomalous FSDs + DWEs
1 scan with Anomalous FSDs + Eccentrics
1 scan with Atypicals + Anomalous FSDs
1 scan with Strange Wakes + Atypicals
1 scan with Strange Wakes + Eccentrics

 

[lovely lovely]

Storage full?
Simple, nip to a trader and trade them in for the next one in line.
Say you have 10 ships and at an average of 10 g5 rolls to complete - you need 100 of the item.
Anything above this (if the case) trade up to the next level

If you're constantly scanning then you 'll be getting these freebies and over time you'll be maxed out on the higher levels too.

or, in other words, don't worry about it :-D

 

[metatheurgist]

Nope. Full storage on one data doesn't stop you from picking up other data. My Atypicals filled up recently when I was scanning for DWEs and I was still getting DWEs. I remember that distinctly because I also thought "I hope FD didn't bug that up".