Unknown Artefact (or artifact) Community Thread - The Canonn

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Just gonna wrap this in a spoiler, as I've only scanned "And here the wheel" thus far - saving a full read for holiday next week.
'And here the wheel' makes a direct reference between Thargoids, the Dark Wheel, and Soontill - in that, Soontill could be the source of many Thargoid artefacts, being littered throughout space as cover for Dark Wheel attacks on Feds - to sow the seeds of suspicion against the Thargoids as being responsible.

The idea being to cause human anger against the Thargs and ensure their extermination by making them appear responsible for attacks actually perped by the Dark Wheel.

Not new - and to the real lore-heads it's positively ancient news I'm sure - but I think there have been murmurings that we have discounted the truth already.

We also know that hints are in Galnet, and a couple of Galnets mention Soontill, and its own Artefact. In that case, the scientist mentioned a link to human tech - I have a couple of ideas about that (they're Dark Wheel fakes, or they're the 'glimpse from the future' mentioned in the book).

Again, if we consider how these artefacts appear - the whole thing screams a conspiracy of some sort. These convoys are mysterious with a capital 'm', and fishy with a capital 'f'.

We've talked a few times about the UAs being the source of the plague, but for me it doesn't make sense because it means the fed convoys are responsible for the spread. But what if that's the whole point? The plague is being spread deliberately, by some other means, with tenuous links between the phage-like appearance of UA itself, and the Cerberus agent to provide a plausible cover so that the aliens are blamed by all. The plague is an engineered agent. We're all being played - expertly, and it's all part of a wider plot.

Going with the anthropological principle (I.e. that the sim exists for us CMDRs) - the point of the convoys is not that they are carrying the artefacts anywhere important - they exist for us to be able to liberate them. Perhaps it's for us to make this link to the plague, because there is a conspiracy there, but we've second-guessed it and so are not biting. I think we need to consider this, and, if I'm right, we need to bite, otherwise the story can't move on.

So how do we bite? Ultimately, it might be the case that this doctor on Newton Dock needs to get his hands on a UA. Before that, though, perhaps a player-submitted Galnet from the Arcanonn research group proposing that the UA is the source of the plague, and that efforts will be made to deliver one to Newton Dock to enable further study.

Yes, I know we've spoken at length about in-game mechanics. When it comes to combining cargo, the scepticism makes sense.

Galnet, and selling stuff, are both in-game mechanics, though...

On the other hand, this does not explain the Morse, I know that - but perhaps the purpose of that is to make us realise it's a functioning agent, not just another canister. Location-aware, and all that - many of us had suggested it's because the thing wants to do something at a particular location.

But what if, in 'reality', a UA really is just a Thargoid nav beacon - designed to be dropped anywhere in space and provide local body identification - and there just happens to be a nice supply of them (possibly from a dark place in Soontill, or just a hidden location on a planet in Soontill - both unavailable to us in the current version of the game) with which to sow seeds of conspiracy in our minds...

It's completely tinfoil, I know. But the crux of it is simple, and easily testable. It's not even new - sell at Newton - just with, I think, a proper explanation that kinda fits within the universe around which we fly.

I said we need to get ideas off the table. I think the plague idea, cause, cure or sinister evil plot, definitely needs to come off the table, and this is my call to arms on that idea. Taking action on it is down to those who either have UAs or are able to do a decent Galnet - and as always, we (or I in this case) are all in your debt.

I won't be adding any more ideas till this is proven or disproven.
 
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I'm calling f'ing bu*lsh*t on this! I've spent hundreds of hours looking and never even SEEN the UA convoy, and I know there are dozens of commanders out there doing the same.

We've examined all aspects of your methods, craft etc and found nothing, so there's only 2 possibilities

1) You are being fed the UAs
2) Their RNG function is screwed up and something in the seed generation gives an 'easy' chance to some commanders and a 0% chance to others

Either way, it means I've wasted hundreds of hours of my life - I'm done, good luck commanders, but I've had enough of this cr*p.

Understandable you're upset but please consider this - they say lightning doesn't strike in the same place twice; but there are people out there who've been struck more than once, and many more people who've never been struck at all.

The randomness underlying this won't be favouring anyone; but it's entirely possible that one person can be more successful than others.

I really really get why you're so annoyed though :)
 
Why should we listen to it?
For the morse, it's really cool, even if isn't unique and just using existing functionality

I don't totally discount the possibility that there is more to hear if the moon is on the right alignment with the Cmdrs birth sign. But there have been no hints that listening to it should require such convoluted and obscure conditions.
 
We've talked a few times about the UAs being the source of the plague, but for me it doesn't make sense because it means the fed convoys are responsible for the spread. But what if that's the whole point? The plague is being spread deliberately, by some other means, with tenuous links between the phage-like appearance of UA itself, and the Cerberus agent to provide a plausible cover so that the aliens are blamed by all. The plague is an engineered agent. We're all being played - expertly, and it's all part of a wider plot.

I see what you are saying, and it's not unreasonable.

I feel somewhat reminded of Babylon 5: Crusade:

The series was cancelled very quickly, but from what I understand the season finale would have provided strong evidence that the Earth Alliance was somehow working with the aliens who had spread the bio-engineered plague to earth.

If nothing else, we could always try using GalNet. See if it goes anywhere.
 
At 40hrs of hunting time, and others have reported spending much more without any joy at all, I think that's me out of the hunt. I don't have that many hours to play, 40 hours would take me months.

Good luck all, but I'm afraid I have finally lost interest in this now, I thought it might have been an alternative to the grind mechanic everything else seems to rely on, but no.

Keep up the good work, I look forward to hearing about the final solution. By the way, don't forget the 'And here the wheel' reference I remembered, might be significant, or nothing at all.

Over and out.
I underdtand where you are with this. Even though I have spent much less time than many others around here (hats off to those that have), I am near hitting the grindwall, where the scarcity of one to toy with myself is sapping the fun out it.
 
Understandable you're upset but please consider this - they say lightning doesn't strike in the same place twice; but there are people out there who've been struck more than once, and many more people who've never been struck at all.

The randomness underlying this won't be favouring anyone; but it's entirely possible that one person can be more successful than others.

I really really get why you're so annoyed though :)

I am going to invoke the Cmdr name theory. I have seen a ua convoy, and my name is a translation of 'white tree wizard (male)' in an obscure elven language. How fd know this language is beyond me, buts it's true!
Have a name associated with trees and you will find one
 
@ LordZoltan.

The last big plauge in the Elite universe, the Shohalian fever was an geneticaly engineered agent.

It was made by Imperial scientists and consisted of three rapidly mutating viruses that was joined in some kind of symbiosis.

It spread by accident to Sohalia and keept spreading.
 
So, wiki says the UA got tested at a black hole. Two questions on that:

- Anyone actually got a recording of the chittering there?
- Anyone tried looking for any of the UA chittering noises in the black hole noises, or are they just "cool sounds". I know they're the same whichever black hole you go to, but in all the recordings of black holes I've seen (even been to a couple myself) I've never actually heard them til now.

Tested at HIP 287111, a black hole not too far from the bubble.

Audio only links are in the video description.

[video=youtube;zDLA1CITXE4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDLA1CITXE4[/video]

It seems you get the ambient noise of the black hole only if it's in your viewport (comes in at the end of the video).

Here's one with the black hole ambient noise only.

[video=youtube;sA0_NfWGcQY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA0_NfWGcQY[/video]
 
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TBH the plague theories just don't fit for me. If it was hitting valuable independents systems yes maybe, but hitting Feds, the explanation seems too convoluted. Hmm perhaps an accident though.

I do wonder... if we start pushing a bunch of stuff on Galnet we might end up with a situation where Frontier say, ah sod it we'll just do that. It's not what we intended but fine, plague cure it is! Job done, everyone's happy let's move on.
 
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For the morse, it's really cool, even if isn't unique and just using existing functionality

I don't totally discount the possibility that there is more to hear if the moon is on the right alignment with the Cmdrs birth sign. But there have been no hints that listening to it should require such convoluted and obscure conditions.

And I don't discount the possibility that selling it may trigger a reaction.
It's just not the main function.
 
Going back to the ideas that linked the UAs to a homage to Leonard Nimoy, and the somewhat whale sounding sounds, had anyone tried to simulate how the UAs would sound under water? (EG like they did in Star Trek IV).

I've only just got up so have just had a quick scan for software you can run a sound file through. I've been googling things like 'Underwater acoustic modelling and simulation'.

It might be interesting to know how a UA would sound if it was underwater...

EDIT: this 'could' also be why the morse sounds stylised: you are not listening to it in the right medium.
 
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Tested at HIP 287111, a black hole not too far from the bubble.

Audio only links are in the video description.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDLA1CITXE4

It seems you get the ambient noise of the black hole only if it's in your viewport (comes in at the end of the video).

Here's one with the black hole ambient noise only.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA0_NfWGcQY

I wonder if there is something to happen when you place the item inside a black hole.
There was a video, where a CMDR managed to enter a BH and exit it alive.

[video=youtube;USoXfHbY4zM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USoXfHbY4zM[/video]
 
I'm not a great explorer, nor have I understood the lore behind UAs, but there seem to be a lot of them and theories about them. No I haven't seen convoys but after accepting bulletin board missions, I've seen canisters and groups of UA canisters. I've never heard any morse, or even noted anything odd about the canisters. I'm obviously missing a great deal of data.

I am away from my ship at present, but maybe I'll go all primitive next time I run into a UA CANISTER and try to kill warrant scan it before blowing it up. There are too many of them anyway right?

If they are so unique, then why are there so many of the things. I know I'm missing something and am thinking, I'm missing everything!

As for them spreading the plague.....why, oh why? One Typhoid Mary does the trick quietly but this many..... There is no need. Ok the thread looks interesting but in a nut shell...... Can someone tell me what I'm missing, besides paranoia.
 
I'm not a great explorer, nor have I understood the lore behind UAs, but there seem to be a lot of them and theories about them. No I haven't seen convoys but after accepting bulletin board missions, I've seen canisters and groups of UA canisters. I've never heard any morse, or even noted anything odd about the canisters. I'm obviously missing a great deal of data.

I am away from my ship at present, but maybe I'll go all primitive next time I run into a UA CANISTER and try to kill warrant scan it before blowing it up. There are too many of them anyway right?

If they are so unique, then why are there so many of the things. I know I'm missing something and am thinking, I'm missing everything!

As for them spreading the plague.....why, oh why? One Typhoid Mary does the trick quietly but this many..... There is no need. Ok the thread looks interesting but in a nut shell...... Can someone tell me what I'm missing, besides paranoia.

I doubt you have seen "UA canisters" but the not so rare alien artefacts, which is a totally different commodity.
 
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