Unknown Artefact (or artifact) Community Thread - The Canonn

bitstorm · Jul 30, 2015

Just been mooching through some of Wishblend's videos.

http://www.twitch.tv/wishblend/c/6642693

I didn't realise how different the sounds it makes were back then. Frontier changed the pattern of the sounds it makes at some point?

Also the UA is deployed for quite a long time there, well beyond the point it would normally explode.

who? · Jul 30, 2015

Murp said:
Reporting in to say yes I'm still here, no I'm not dead.

We're scientists dammit! We accept nothing without proof. Post proof, in one bit or less, or we won't believe you.

Han_Zen · Jul 30, 2015

bitstorm said:
Just been mooching through some of Wishblend's videos.

http://www.twitch.tv/wishblend/c/6642693

I didn't realise how different the sounds it makes were back then. Frontier changed the pattern of the sounds it makes at some point?

Also the UA is deployed for quite a long time there, well beyond the point it would normally explode.

The sound changed with 1.3 I think.

Atinus · Jul 30, 2015

Has anyone with an artefact tried doing keyword searches on the galaxy map? Say, for Raaxla, or any other missing ststems? Just a shot in the dark. Maybe the artefact unlocks something in the galaxy map.

Dommarraa · Jul 30, 2015

Grumbleweed said:
Do we agree to edit the wiki that Sell @ Nimoy and plague moved to disproved, or would that be jumping the gun?

Thought I had done that yesterday. Have also put a line through the other Diseased based tests as it currently looks like it is unrelated.
(Someone updating the Wiki ! Oh the horror !)

bartmoss · Jul 30, 2015

bitstorm said:
Sorry just catching up with the thread

Yup, same.

bitstorm said:
The two that heard 5 were not aware of anything out of the ordinary, they don't remember hearing 3 nor do they remember hearing 5, they were just trying to get a good view on the UA!

That gets registered as a 3 purr under system X, the video goes out and suddenly we have an anomaly that means something.

And unfortunately the more CMDRs are involved in a viewing the more likely this is to happen, i.e the big Sleipnir test.

Not sure what the point is but I guess I'm saying it's easy (and probably normal) to latch onto something that's slightly different but y'know... RNG. Ideally we'd seperate RNG and an actual genuine change before coming to conclusions.

Not trying to put people off looking at purrs, I still think there may be something there but it's good to go in with all the evidence.

Well, just because different commanders hear different things doesn't completely rule out that there is a signal in there. But anyway, it doesn't have to be purrs, could be anything, hence why I said that a better idea would be to build up as large an organized list of samples as we can - so we can look for any sort of pattern.

But anyway; I'll leave it be. Effort required is unreasonable, especially considering... certain circumstances.

Nicholas Powell · Jul 30, 2015

This may be a critically laughable query and I do expect that this has been done but it is not specifically confirmed on the Wiki.
Has anybody left the not-in-a-ship normal space instance of a UA (and Bearer!) and checked for any sign of it in supercruise - perhaps in the left panel Navigation page but certainly also with a Honker and Detailed Surface Scanner?

ASIDE: Thanks to those cmdrs who've pencilled themselves in for Biscuit Barrel. Shall periodically 'bump' it from tomorrow to drum up some more volunteers.

@MrTree - I shouldn't, but I did. Enjoy watching you terrorise the UA, that is. Thanks!

LordZoltan · Jul 30, 2015

Just a quick one that I hope will add more evidence to the contrary to the idea that it's going *anywhere* when it finally expires, other than just exploding (in addition to the lack of a wake and the explosion sound).

So let's say it's charging up as its health goes down - and then somebody bumps it gently to take some health off it, thus shortening its life - so, what, that action also *speeds up* its jump charge?

Don't think so!

bartmoss · Jul 30, 2015

Grumbleweed said:
There is a list already started on the wiki

Thanks, I was thinking more along the lines of actual observational details. But this would be very helpful if anybody decides to tackle this.

Grumbleweed said:
but I really dont have any more time to dedicate to this, I have done my bit.

Amen, I can understand that sentiment quite well.

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LordZoltan said:
So let's say it's charging up as its health goes down - and then somebody bumps it gently to take some health off it, thus shortening its life - so, what, that action also *speeds up* its jump charge?

Don't think so!

Excellent point, tbh.

Dommarraa · Jul 30, 2015

Is it really Azaleach ?

The acutaly Galnet text is thus:

“Two days ago, Navy Command received word that the President would be taking an unscheduled detour to Azaleach. Her reasons as to why remain classified.”

“12 hours ago, following entry into hyperspace, Spaceflight One went dark. All attempts by the President’s security team to trace the vessel have met with failure.”

Nothing in that says that the ship was LEAVING Azaleach, only that it was new unscheduled destination. Has anyone else seen hard information that this is the site of the Mis-Jump ?

Currently IMHO, our only current avenue of investigation are :
UA Guardians : Do your dance of delight in Azerleach (or wherever the mis-jump was) and see if you can spot any anomalies
UA Investigators : Scan the bejeebus out of the Azerleach region in much more thorough fashion than that performed for the CG, especially routes to Azerleach from the last known location (Aleumoxii?)

bitstorm · Jul 30, 2015

LordZoltan said:
So let's say it's charging up as its health goes down - and then somebody bumps it gently to take some health off it, thus shortening its life - so, what, that action also *speeds up* its jump charge?

Well I was hopeful with the IO test for that - fast cycles.

Near the event horizon of a black hole, if some part of the UA acts outside of "normal space" - black hole tested though.

Inside a space station, no health loss - tested?

Grumbleweed · Jul 30, 2015

Nicholas Powell said:
This may be a critically laughable query and I do expect that this has been done but it is not specifically confirmed on the Wiki.
Has anybody left the not-in-a-ship normal space instance of a UA (and Bearer!) and checked for any sign of it in supercruise - perhaps in the left panel Navigation page but certainly also with a Honker and Detailed Surface Scanner?

Sometimes this thread makes you feel like you're being ignored

I suggested this very thing a page or so ago, in the dummy beacon theory. I also added that (as appeared to happen with Halsey's ship) it somehow pulls you out of hyperspace in a different place than you were expecting, for ambushing purposes.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&p=2611454&viewfull=1#post2611454

Dommarraa · Jul 30, 2015

Grumbleweed said:
Sometimes this thread makes you feel like you're being ignored I suggested this very thing a page or so ago, in the dummy beacon theory. I also added that (as appeared to happen with Halsey's ship) it somehow pulls you out of hyperspace in a different place than you were expecting, for ambushing purposes.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&p=2611454&viewfull=1#post2611454

Then add it to the wiki. UA Guardians cannot keep up with every suggestion.
Personally I doubt the beacon theory, or the UA mis-jump theory hold enough water, but are not stupid enough to slander. Others are free to disagree.

Grumbleweed · Jul 30, 2015

Dommarraa said:
Then add it to the wiki. UA Guardians cannot keep up with every suggestion.
Personally I doubt the beacon theory, or the UA mis-jump theory hold enough water, but are not stupid enough to slander. Others are free to disagree.

While you were typing that I was updating the wiki...

I was on Android before and couldn't do it (it works, but its painful)

At least its a non-destructive test and fairly straightforward to disprove.

Han_Zen · Jul 30, 2015

I think we have to consider that the next step may not be the end of the line.
There are to many angles for just one mystery.

There are a lot of strange objects in circulation.

There are also a lot of loose ends.

I doubt they all tie up in the same knot.

digitalscream · Jul 30, 2015

Grumbleweed said:
Sometimes this thread makes you feel like you're being ignored I suggested this very thing a page or so ago, in the dummy beacon theory. I also added that (as appeared to happen with Halsey's ship) it somehow pulls you out of hyperspace in a different place than you were expecting, for ambushing purposes.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&p=2611454&viewfull=1#post2611454

Hang on...there's a test here that we haven't done.

Get two CMDRs in the same place in normal space, one of them with a UA. One drops the UA, and then the other one tries to jump to another system. If it messes with the navigation, it could send you somewhere entirely different.

Tallsword · Jul 30, 2015

I'm not gonna lie, I might be mistaken here, but I'll post it anyways...
I've found a really close USS, so I've jumped in, and I've found nothing in it. Plain emptiness. but while turning around I've seen one trail nearby, it could've been mine, but I'm not sure. I'm currently in a Python, idk what kind of trail does it leave when it jumps out of SC, but this trail was one thick line. Python has 2 thrusters, but jumping out of SC might leave one trail at all ships or something, so I don't wanna jump to assumptions... but... If that trail wasn't mine then it was someone else's and I don't think any of the ships have single thrusters. Another thing I've noted is that the trail didn't want to disappear. Maybe a signal that was MEANT to be seen? I jumped out with no problem afterward, but I felt like there was something my detector didn't see and my first assumption was this. Thargoids.
An empty USS... freaks me out if they exist. No ship, no wreck, no cargo. Only one bloody trail.
Sorry if it was my trail and I'm being paranoid here, but felt like I must share this.

Bunkerkind Anni · Jul 30, 2015

i often end up in "empty" USS, which often turn into a wedding barge passing by after waiting for a few minutes.

rizal72 · Jul 30, 2015

I'm writing from the beautiful beach of Mondello, inside Palermo

bartmoss said:
If it frameshifts, where is the wake?

LordZoltan said:
Just a quick one that I hope will add more evidence to the contrary to the idea that it's going *anywhere* when it finally expires, other than just exploding (in addition to the lack of a wake and the explosion sound).

So let's say it's charging up as its health goes down - and then somebody bumps it gently to take some health off it, thus shortening its life - so, what, that action also *speeds up* its jump charge?

Don't think so!

bartmoss, Lord Zoltan, as you love furthering deduction and logic, and I truly respect you for this, thell me where is the logic, for someone who is making a puzzle for us to solve, to put a Wake where the UA expires... no puzzle and no mistery: if you see a wake, there is the solution: what else you can do with e wake in ED, apart from following it?

And,
what do we know about Thargoid Witchspace thechnology? Perhaps they are using a completely different way of travelling then us.
That's why I'm asking that test with the ship close to the UA mouth, while expiring.

Dommarraa said:
Is it really Azaleach ?

The acutaly Galnet text is thus:

Nothing in that says that the ship was LEAVING Azaleach, only that it was new unscheduled destination. Has anyone else seen hard information that this is the site of the Mis-Jump ?

Currently IMHO, our only current avenue of investigation are :
UA Guardians : Do your dance of delight in Azerleach (or wherever the mis-jump was) and see if you can spot any anomalies
UA Investigators : Scan the bejeebus out of the Azerleach region in much more thorough fashion than that performed for the CG, especially routes to Azerleach from the last known location (Aleumoxii?)

We don't know if the president was already in Azaleach or he was jumping to it.
That's why I started my personal search from Furuhjelm I-645: it is the only sure location before the event occurred. And casually I found an UA while travelling there!

Tallsword said:
I'm not gonna lie, I might be mistaken here, but I'll post it anyways...
I've found a really close USS, so I've jumped in, and I've found nothing in it. Plain emptiness. but while turning around I've seen one trail nearby, it could've been mine, but I'm not sure. I'm currently in a Python, idk what kind of trail does it leave when it jumps out of SC, but this trail was one thick line. Python has 2 thrusters, but jumping out of SC might leave one trail at all ships or something, so I don't wanna jump to assumptions... but... If that trail wasn't mine then it was someone else's and I don't think any of the ships have single thrusters. Another thing I've noted is that the trail didn't want to disappear. Maybe a signal that was MEANT to be seen? I jumped out with no problem afterward, but I felt like there was something my detector didn't see and my first assumption was this. Thargoids.
An empty USS... freaks me out if they exist. No ship, no wreck, no cargo. Only one bloody trail.
Sorry if it was my trail and I'm being paranoid here, but felt like I must share this.

It is your trail, coiming out from SC. I'm always seing it: one strong trail for every ship.

EDIT: and Hudson is a man of INRA or the Wheel, almost for sure:
https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/30-JUL-3301
The right man to fight the incoming thargoid menace, exactly as in The Book, where the Circle wanted to put the right man in place of the Emperor...

simulacrae · Jul 30, 2015

Grumbleweed said:
Do we agree to edit the wiki that Sell @ Nimoy and plague moved to disproved, or would that be jumping the gun?

Edit: Welcome back murp!

Well the sell at nimoy has - Plague hasn't unless I missed something.