Update 17 - frequent crashes and sometimes BSOD

rootsrat

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rootsrat
Jack Winter said:
I used to repair PCs, one quick trick back in the day was to lift the desktop 5 cm over the desk and let it fall down (while powered off). The jolt would juggle the connections and sometimes it started working again. But observed more professionally, I was surprised at how many times intermittent problems could actually be fixed by reseating cards and components. I'd start with cleaning out any dust, reseat the RAM and possibly the GPU. Reseating the CPU would be a bigger operation.. Also worth trying in a situation like this is another power supply.

It would also be handy to have an easy way to recreate the problem, like a specific point in a game or a combination of stress tests.
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It think I'd reather re-seat everything manually after a clean, than drop my PC from height, evev if its only 5 cm lol :D

PSU is Corsair HX1000i Platinum, so a solid unit. Not to say it can't be faulty, but I doubt that tbh.
 

EdzUp

EdzUp
Jack Winter said:
I used to repair PCs, one quick trick back in the day was to lift the desktop 5 cm over the desk and let it fall down (while powered off). The jolt would juggle the connections and sometimes it started working again. But observed more professionally, I was surprised at how many times intermittent problems could actually be fixed by reseating cards and components. I'd start with cleaning out any dust, reseat the RAM and possibly the GPU. Reseating the CPU would be a bigger operation.. Also worth trying in a situation like this is another power supply.

It would also be handy to have an easy way to recreate the problem, like a specific point in a game or a combination of stress tests.
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metatheurgist said:
Ah, the old Miggy drop.
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Yeah the miggy floppy head alignment 🤣
 

xElijah

xElijah
for me it was windows update. not only it shown that I lack 2 planks of RAM, but also BSODing, freezing, crashing constantly whole system, and it's exactly at timeline of creation of this topic. In dumps and event viewer it was telling me that my VPN program caused everything, tho I didn't even started it for a month or so :D after some days of postponing updating windows I was afk and my pcya updated on her own and voila: 4th day without flaws. Maybe will be useful for you too^^ fly safe, be happy, healthy, not hungry everyone^^
 
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Planewalker

Planewalker
The one thing i've seen make elite crash over the years is RAM issues, be they driver- hardware- or otherwise related.
(OC does it to an extend too but from what i can tell using XMP/etc settings for RAM does not)

As someone stated earlier, elite uses RAM in a different way from most other software; i kinda surmise it has to do with the assembly code at the core backend.
(said assembly AFAICT may also play a part wrt the anti-aliasing only being able to do so much to mitigate aliasing in elite; saw a statement abt it at some point)



xKristina said:
for me it was windows update. not only it shown that I lack 2 planks of RAM, but also BSODing, freezing, crashing constantly whole system, and it's exactly at timeline of creation of this topic. In dumps and event viewer it was telling me that my VPN program caused everything, tho I didn't even started it for a month or so :D after some days of postponing updating windows I was afk and my pcya updated on her own and voila: 4th day without flaws. Maybe will be useful for you too^^ fly safe, be happy, healthy, not hungry everyone^^
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Yes windows updates breaks elite more often than is healthy, so good advice indeed. (y)
 

0threeleven

0threeleven
Well, my 2¢, I started getting BSOD's after buying and playing Elite. I've always ran fixed page file size (manually set) and I would move it to a different drive, Elite didn't like that. I discovered this through the event viewer, it said it was memory related, I jumped through all the hoops you are doing now but eventually moved the page file back to C: and set it to windows managed and it seemed to work, just a thought in case you fiddled with yours.🤷‍♂️
 

rootsrat

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rootsrat
I've had 2 more BSOD's today (same error as before) when playing Elite, pretty much one after another. What's strange, I have also streamed Elite on Saturday for over 5 hours and had absolutely no issues - with either the stream or BSODs.

After the first BSOD today I have cleaned my case thoroughly, dismounting RAM and GPU, then reseat everything and... I got the 2nd BSOD withing 10 mins of starting the game.

Done some more research online and it turns out a few people are reporting same issues on the latest nVidia drivers. I have now rolled back to 537.42 and see what happens...
 

Jinx Chrome

Jinx Chrome
Planewalker said:
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As someone stated earlier, elite uses RAM in a different way from most other software; i kinda surmise it has to do with the assembly code at the core backend.
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No, it doesn't handle memory differently - at least not in the eyes of Windows. The days of DOS/Win16 days where a program was able to take over the OS and its memory management are long gone.
How Elite handles its memory internally, is on another page. Bugs in that area lead to application crashes but not BugChecks (aka BSODs) which are a sign that the kernel has no other option than to throw an exception. BugChecks are often caused by illegal attempts to write into the memory and the kernel prevents that by shutting down Windows. The reasons for that are very often faulty HW and/or drivers, overclocking and thermal problems (a sub category of faulty HW).
 

xElijah

xElijah
rootsrat said:
I've had 2 more BSOD's today (same error as before) when playing Elite, pretty much one after another. What's strange, I have also streamed Elite on Saturday for over 5 hours and had absolutely no issues - with either the stream or BSODs.

After the first BSOD today I have cleaned my case thoroughly, dismounting RAM and GPU, then reseat everything and... I got the 2nd BSOD withing 10 mins of starting the game.

Done some more research online and it turns out a few people are reporting same issues on the latest nVidia drivers. I have now rolled back to 537.42 and see what happens...
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event viewer? what she's telling you? also it's a good way to check how your hardware behaves in something like Crysis3 remake/ but I'm sure on about 96% it's a software problems. When I was in university, we had one guy, he said that 12 times rebooting PCya solves all problems :DDD
 

rootsrat

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rootsrat
xKristina said:
event viewer? what she's telling you? also it's a good way to check how your hardware behaves in something like Crysis3 remake/ but I'm sure on about 96% it's a software problems. When I was in university, we had one guy, he said that 12 times rebooting PCya solves all problems :DDD
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No related events before the BDODs :)
 

xElijah

xElijah
rootsrat said:
No related events before the BDODs :)
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still BSODing? I had something strange and similiar in divka2. Tried everything. Setting port forwarding=done :O setting tldr for my GeForcya in reg?=done! setting affinity to CPU1 in TM?=done...only moving to OS main drive, which is C: helped?
 

xElijah

xElijah
rootsrat said:
Rolling back GPU drivers seems to have fixed it (not had a single issue since, with either live streaming or BSODs).
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last time I remember rolling back NVI drivers helped when I was using 470GTX :D 10 years ago? seems like NVI never changes...fly safe, happy and not hungry^^
 
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