Upgrade from 3070 Ti to 4070 Ti Super

[Garix]

Would like to upgrade my current 3070 Ti.

Resolution sticking at 2560 x 1440. Games from Cyberpunk to Elite plus a load of older stuff.

Anyone dug into the new Nvidia releases? Specifically the 4070 Ti Super. RRP seems to around the £750-£800 mark

I think it's enough of an upgrade to be worth the money just looking for other opinions.

Cheers

 

[Morbad]

All the 4000 series Supers are much more competitive than the cards they replace. The 4070 Ti Super isn't an AD104 part, it's an AD103 (same chip as the 4080), and is less cut-down than many were originally expecting. It's only marginally slower than original 4080 part that retailed at $1200 until it was EOLed.

The 4070 Ti Super will maybe 10-15% slower than the 4080 Super for 20% less, or about 20-25% faster than the 4070 Super for 33% more. It will be a great 1440p card and is about as slow as I'd recommend for a full RT/path tracing experience in Cyberpunk, or a high-refresh rate VR experience. It's rather overkill for 1440p Elite, but if you're as offended by Odyssey's jaggies as I am, there is no limit on the GPU grunt you can burn through trying to brute force them away. It'll be even more overkill for most older games.

 

[Garix]

Cheers Morbad.

May need to raid the piggy bank...

 

[tolm]

Been waiting for these myself … was previously considering upgrading my 3070 to a 4070 Ti which is about a 50% lift in terms of “raw stats” but the prices have been all over the place - anywhere from £750 - £1050 …

With the new “Supers” coming out … I dunno … I was kinda hoping the old 4070 Ti would get discounted down to maybe £550 once the Super variant came out but the 4070 Super is basically the same power and is selling at £650 … so I assume we’ll end up with three very similar spec cards:

• 4070 Super : £650
• 4070 Ti : £700
• 4070 Ti Super : £750

Obviously the old Ti will die out once stocks are used up but that seems like a very squeezed market to me.

Alternatively, the new 4070 Ti Super will get sold for £850+ until the old stocks run out - which figures, why would a $700 product in the US every sell for a similar price over here, right?!!

Guess we’ll find out when the Ti Super releases on 24th …

 

[Garix]

Alternatively, the new 4070 Ti Super will get sold for £850+ until the old stocks run out - which figures, why would a $700 product in the US every sell for a similar price over here, right?!!

US prices do not include sales tax/VAT . UK prices do.

 

[Jack Winter]

AFAIK, the 4070 and 4070 Ti are being replaced by the super cards and will not be produced/sold in the future.

The 4080 will coexist with the 4080 super.

 

[tolm]

US prices do not include sales tax/VAT . UK prices do.

That’s true … a very good point.

If memory serves a typical US sales tax is about 8%? So, yeh, it’s the UK VAT at 20% that screws us over.

TBH - I think I’ll probably end up going for the 4070 Super which is almost as good as the outgoing 4070 Ti for about £120 less.

 

[Jack Winter]

There are normally import duties to pay too.. To me it seems like HW prices in the EU are comparable to the US if one takes all the extra costs into account.

 

[tolm]

There are normally import duties to pay too.. To me it seems like HW prices in the EU are comparable to the US if one takes all the extra costs into account.

I mean, it’s all made in China so unless you live there surely everyone’s getting hit with those?

 

[Jack Winter]

I just mean that if you add up tariffs and VAT, the US price and the EU price comes out just about the same. AFAIK, the Aussies are even worse off.

 

[Morbad]

I just mean that if you add up tariffs and VAT, the US price and the EU price comes out just about the same. AFAIK, the Aussies are even worse off.

Most PCs and related products are currently exempt from US import tariffs on Chinese goods.

If I go to Newegg or Amazon and order a $600 RTX 4070 Super, I'd pay $649.50 for it, due to 8.25% NYS sales tax. This is 511.29 GBP at this morning's exchange rate.

Some smaller etailers that are harder for the New York DoTF to track down and wring money out of still won't try to collect sales tax from out-of-state sales. This used to be the norm, but it's gotten a lot harder to evade state sales tax this way.

 

[tolm]

I’m

Most PCs and related products are currently exempt from US import tariffs on Chinese goods.

If I go to Newegg or Amazon and order a $600 RTX 4070 Super, I'd pay $649.50 for it, due to 8.25% NYS sales tax. This is 511.29 GBP at this morning's exchange rate.

Some smaller etailers that are harder for the New York DoTF to track down and wring money out of still won't try to collect sales tax from out-of-state sales. This used to be the norm, but it's gotten a lot harder to evade state sales tax this way.

yeh, that’s significantly less than the ~£650 I was seeing for a 4070 Super here a few days ago. That said, with more retailers listing them now I’m seeing some cards at around £580-ish today.

 

[Garix]

Judging by some of the reports I'm seeing, some of the pricing is looking to be seriously OTT compared to NVIDIA's RRP, with possible supply issues thrown in.

Fingers crossed but hope fading.

 

[Jumpin' Jack Flash]

Hi All

yeh, that’s significantly less than the ~£650 I was seeing for a 4070 Super here a few days ago. That said, with more retailers listing them now I’m seeing some cards at around £580-ish today.

Ditto...
Scan UK (No I don't work for them!) have 4070 Super's listed from £579 to £664 depending on individual manufacturers (Palit, PNY, Msi and Asus etc.).
The basic 4070 is still retailing at around £530 to £690, again, depending on manufacturer and spec.

Jack

 

[Garix]

Hi All

Ditto...
Scan UK (No I don't work for them!) have 4070 Super's listed from £579 to £664 depending on individual manufacturers (Palit, PNY, Msi and Asus etc.).
The basic 4070 is still retailing at around £530 to £690, again, depending on manufacturer and spec.

Jack

Yeah, Scan have generally been my goto place for PC stuff but it's baffling me why no prices/pre-orders are available. From anywhere

 

[Morbad]

4070 Ti Super reviews are up:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER Graphics Cards Review Roundup | VideoCardz.com

Featured, GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER, Review Roundup NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER reviews Reviews featuring NVIDIA's first "Ti SUPER" and desktop MSRP models are now available. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070

videocardz.com

Performance gap between this and the 4080 is a bit higher than I was expecting, especially at higher resolutions. This is likely due to the difference in L2 cache; I was expecting 64 MiB as the number of ROPs wasn't altered, but in reality only 48MiB of that is enabled on the 4070 Ti Super. Still, it does a fair bit better than the original 4070 Ti, especially as the older AD104 part starts to run out of memory and memory bandwidth. I anticipated the 4070 Ti Super being 10-15% slower than the 4080 Super, but it will probably be closer to 20% slower, which will give the 4080 Super about the same price/performance ratio as the cheaper card.

Yeah, Scan have generally been my goto place for PC stuff but it's baffling me why no prices/pre-orders are available. From anywhere

Might still have non-Super stock they want to deplete and if they don't already have Super stock on hand, there would be little incentive to start selling them.

 

[Garix]

4070 Ti Super reviews are up:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER Graphics Cards Review Roundup | VideoCardz.com

Featured, GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER, Review Roundup NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER reviews Reviews featuring NVIDIA's first "Ti SUPER" and desktop MSRP models are now available. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070

videocardz.com

Performance gap between this and the 4080 is a bit higher than I was expecting, especially at higher resolutions. This is likely due to the difference in L2 cache; I was expecting 64 MiB as the number of ROPs wasn't altered, but in reality only 48MiB of that is enabled on the 4070 Ti Super. Still, it does a fair bit better than the original 4070 Ti, especially as the older AD104 part starts to run out of memory and memory bandwidth. I anticipated the 4070 Ti Super being 10-15% slower than the 4080 Super, but it will probably be closer to 20% slower, which will give the 4080 Super about the same price/performance ratio as the cheaper card.



Might still have non-Super stock they want to deplete and if they don't already have Super stock on hand, there would be little incentive to start selling them.

It's not just Scan. No UK retailer (that I've found at least) is taking pre-orders or have prices listed.

 

[tolm]

4070 Ti Super reviews are up:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER Graphics Cards Review Roundup | VideoCardz.com

Featured, GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER, Review Roundup NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER reviews Reviews featuring NVIDIA's first "Ti SUPER" and desktop MSRP models are now available. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070

videocardz.com

Performance gap between this and the 4080 is a bit higher than I was expecting, especially at higher resolutions. This is likely due to the difference in L2 cache; I was expecting 64 MiB as the number of ROPs wasn't altered, but in reality only 48MiB of that is enabled on the 4070 Ti Super. Still, it does a fair bit better than the original 4070 Ti, especially as the older AD104 part starts to run out of memory and memory bandwidth. I anticipated the 4070 Ti Super being 10-15% slower than the 4080 Super, but it will probably be closer to 20% slower, which will give the 4080 Super about the same price/performance ratio as the cheaper card.

Personally, I’m limited by both price and PSU - I don’t have three 8-pin power connectors available to power a 4080+.

I‘m assuming - having the same TGP as the 4070 Ti - that the 4070 Ti Super will come with an adaptor requiring only two 8-pin power cables?

If that’s true - and the price of the MSI Ventus 2x version comes in at something not entirely obnoxious (I also have space limitations in my case) then I could be persuaded!

 

[Garix]

Still looking at the ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super TUF. Mainly as it sems to run coolest in the tests i've seen, and my PC lives in a fairly warm room so any additional help is welcome. In the US it's apparently due to retail at MRSP. Fingers crossed it remains around the RRP for UK pricing

 

[Alec Turner]

I'll watch some reviews today but I did pick up on there being a vBios issue which is downgrading performance figures in early reviews by about 5%.