Victims of Piracy Support Group

You read them, yes. But you still don't understand them for whatever reason. Its not that I'm speaking Mandarin...


Quote me where I said exactly that, come on.

I never said anything like it.
Actually, I said traders who only have their profit in mind and combat log as soon as they are getting interdicted are tryhards.
And I am curious to see how this statement is 'wrong'.
Enlighten me.


Exactly.
If someone holds a gun to your face and tells you to do what he asks, or you will die... it is your fault if you pick the latter option.

It's called survival of the fittest.
Will look for your quote on tryhards later. The fact that you denigrate a group because its menbers do not conform to your personal standards of behaviour still stands, nothing more to understand there.

I don't disagree that I make a choice when I choose to not give you any cargo. Just don't expect me to say you're anything other than a thieving pirate, or that you are not to blame for forcing the choice on me. Also, if I can kill you instead, I will. Survival of the fittest, whatever.
 
Will look for your quote on tryhards later. The fact that you denigrate a group because its menbers do not conform to your personal standards of behaviour still stands, nothing more to understand there.

I don't disagree that I make a choice when I choose to not give you any cargo. Just don't expect me to say you're anything other than a thieving pirate, or that you are not to blame for forcing the choice on me. Also, if I can kill you instead, I will. Survival of the fittest, whatever.
It seems, you still don't get my point.
So sorry.
 
Social Darwinism is nonsense. The person with the gun is the one who decides whether or not to pull the trigger. This is just a game but the comparisons with real life here are just ignorant.
 
And why is that?

Because by saying the person staring down the barrel has control, you're blaming them for their fate, when they cannot control it. They can potentially hope that the person with the finger on the trigger may keep their word, but that is a gamble. The victim of a crime is not responsible for being a victim of a crime.

If you hadn't tried to run, I wouldn't have shot you.

If you hadn't looked at me funny, I wouldn't have hit you.

If you hadn't burnt my dinner, I wouldn't have stuck your hand in the toaster.

If you hadn't worn a short skirt, I wouldn't have you.

If you hadn't gone down that street, you wouldn't have been mugged.

If you hadn't crossed the road, you wouldn't have been hit by a car.

If you hadn't got out of bed...

If you hadn't...

You. Your fault. Not the person who acted and caused the harm. Not the , the mugger, the abuser, the careless driver.
 
Because by saying the person staring down the barrel has control, you're blaming them for their fate, when they cannot control it. They can potentially hope that the person with the finger on the trigger may keep their word, but that is a gamble. The victim of a crime is not responsible for being a victim of a crime.
I think you are twisting and/or over-complicating this.

I can only speak for the handful of victims I had at gunpoint but...
They had control of the outcome of the situation, absolutely.
I also don't blame them for anything. It is not about blaming anyone, it is simply a situation where they have to make a choice.
Also nothing to do with potentially hoping... that is implying the pirate is a liar and kills them regardless, which is besides the point and rather unfair.
Responsibility is also not the point.

"Stop or I'll shoot!"
Choice 1: Person runs, person gets shot.
Choice 2: Person complies, person lives.

That's it. There is nothing more to it.
 
It seems, you still don't get my point.
So sorry.
I get your "point" just fine. I just don't think it is valid.

You can sugarcoat it for yourself all you like, you are still forcing a choice on someone and then "blaming" them for the outcome. Anyway, whatever makes you feel better about yourself.
 
I think you are twisting and/or over-complicating this.

I can only speak for the handful of victims I had at gunpoint but...
They had control of the outcome of the situation, absolutely.
I also don't blame them for anything. It is not about blaming anyone, it is simply a situation where they have to make a choice.
Also nothing to do with potentially hoping... that is implying the pirate is a liar and kills them regardless, which is besides the point and rather unfair.
Responsibility is also not the point.

"Stop or I'll shoot!"
Choice 1: Person runs, person gets shot.
Choice 2: Person complies, person lives.

That's it. There is nothing more to it.

I got involved when you stopped talking about the game and started talking about real life.

And I'm pleased to hear you're no longer blaming victims, because you were before. I'm sure you didn't intend to and probably hadn't noticed.
 
I think you are twisting and/or over-complicating this.

I can only speak for the handful of victims I had at gunpoint but...
They had control of the outcome of the situation, absolutely.
I also don't blame them for anything. It is not about blaming anyone, it is simply a situation where they have to make a choice.
Also nothing to do with potentially hoping... that is implying the pirate is a liar and kills them regardless, which is besides the point and rather unfair.
Responsibility is also not the point.

"Stop or I'll shoot!"
Choice 1: Person runs, person gets shot.
Choice 2: Person complies, person lives.

That's it. There is nothing more to it.

Yes there is. There is the person yelling "stop or I'll shoot!" in the first place. To speak in game terms, he has the agency. the other "player" is just forced to deal with a situation he finds himself in through no choice of his own.

That is the way the game is and to be clear, I don't want it changed. I'm just not going to play the way pirates would like me to when I trade though. You can think of that whatever you like.
 
So basically the OP comes to the conclusion that his dignity is worth more than his time spend in a video game. Congratulations, remind me to shoot you without asking for your cargo if you ever come across me.
 
I think the real issue with piracy in ED is there are no consequences for the pirate if they choose for them to not have any (not sure that makes sense but I can't think of a better way to put it).

Pirate attacks trader as trader refuses to drop cargo, gets bounty and so becomes a target him/herself.
Pirate doesn't like risk so tootles off to a station and pays bounty off and is no longer wanted.
Pirate then curses traders for playing in solo as they don't want to face the human pirates.

Until this is resolved so that there is some real trade off for taking on the role of piracy then a lot of traders will stay in solo.
 
I have read the threads about piracy as a legitimate career choice and, for the most part, I have agreed with the philosophy that ED needs all types of players to create the atmosphere of a real living society in space with all the beauty, wonder, violence and horror of the real world.
I have played as a trader, an explorer, a bounty hunter and a soldier and have lost myself in these roles as my imagination feeds on the images created by the game.
Occasionally on my travels, I have come across other players in remote places and greeted them with a "g'day" and a "fly safe" and moved along feeling like it was a small universe after all.
On occasion I have been pulled out of a frameshift daydream by AI pirates and depending on what ship I am flying I would run or fight and be happy to escaped with cargo or bounty with no ill effect.
Being an Elite fan since the old BBC version in 1984 I decided I should make the pilgrimage to Lave at least once. Last stop on the way was Diso where I docked to refuel and picked up 4 tonnes (was flying my cobra) of rare goods for about 300 cr each. I jump to Lave and within 30 seconds of arriving I get interdicted. As per usual I throttle back for an easy exit and first thing I do on exit is 4 pips to engines and hit the booster to get a little space while I decide next course of action. I see that my attacker is a human pilot in an Imperial Clipper. First time but that's ok I have nothing of value. I'm about to open the chat window for the usual "g'day" then the demand comes " Drop 30t of cargo or I will destroy you" . HUH!? WHA!? I don't have any cargo of value what do I do. This has never happened to me before. I know I have easily destroy elite AI clippers but this is a human.
I must have thought about it too long (about 10 seconds by my reckoning) and suddenly he opened fire. At least give me long enough to get to the cargo window or type a reply for crying out loud.
At the first shot my shields collapsed ..there's no way I could take this guy. I hit the booster and started to charge up the FSD. My heat went through the roof and not only was this guy gaining on me and chewing away at my hull but the heat was eating away from the inside. I took forever for the FSD to charge up and by the time I jumped I was down to 58% hull.
"Whew" I thought " I got away" ...but no a few seconds later the alarms went off again and this time I fought like a marlin but he managed to pull me out of frameshift again. This time I knew I couldn't fight. I went straight to the cargo bay and dumped my 1200 cr worth of cargo.
My assailant quipped me with some rhetorical politeness that made my skin crawl and I sent back a resigned "Whatever".
I jumped away and docked in Lave and repaired about 12000cr worth of damage.
I sat there for ages and all I could think was "What a sad experience that was".
This cad had just attacked me.
I didn't feel the frustration that I feel when my son snipers me at the spawn point 20 times in a row in halo. I didn't feel the disappointment that I feel when I finally succumb to 7 better players in AOE. These feelings pass within seconds and I go back for another game.
I had come to Lave as a pilgrimage. I was feeling nostalgic, happy, cruising through the galaxy hurting nothing and nobody and I was snapped out of it by someone who thinks it is OK to take what others have, what others have worked for. I felt like I had been mugged ..not my character ..me ..violated.
I had thought before about whether pirating was something I should try but now I know that I never will. I don't want to make other players feel like this ..it is just wrong.
Yeah I know all the pirates are screaming "what I wuss. why don't you go to Mobius or solo" but as Nietzsche : "That which does not kill us, makes us stronger".

I will stay in open as I always have but I will not hesitate again, next time I WILL kill you. You will not get one scrap of my cargo even if I have to jettison and destroy it myself. My mission now is pirates, human pirates. I am coming for you.

lol, yeah give them hell :)
 
To the op, I loved your story and I hope you do pvp til your hearts content. To the pies, die well, to the traders, fly safe, to the folks that fly in groups and solo, rock on. That is what is great about this game. You can play it as you see fit including combat logging. Fly safe and have fun anyway you want. Why I love this game..


Bullet
 
To the op, I loved your story and I hope you do pvp til your hearts content. To the pies, die well, to the traders, fly safe, to the folks that fly in groups and solo, rock on. That is what is great about this game. You can play it as you see fit including combat logging. Fly safe and have fun anyway you want. Why I love this game..


Bullet

Thanks
+1 Rep for all but the combat logging (not judging).
 
This sort of thread should be used to catalogue the locations and frequency of prate attacks so you can look for patterns, and ways to avoid them.

In a few weeks (RL work is shed loads of hours at me at the moment) I'll be providing my services as a trader escort, and will provide security (and if I'm rubbish at least some escape time) for a reasonable fee based on a percentage of the tonnage transported. That's if we ever get player cash transactions in game - If not I'll do it on a few tones of cargo as payment. (Percentage based again.)

Brian :)

I could be wrong but I think at the moment there is already a mechanic where you can form a wing with someone and take a chunk of the profit of their trades.
 
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