Victims of Piracy Support Group

[Bortas]

Also, when you frop out of SC, your ships thrusters are automatically set and tour ship is moving.

He wasn't just moving, he was boosting away, as he himself stated in his original post. Boosting is clearly an attempt to escape, and I even waited for him to stop for a while, which didn't happen. If he is trying to figure out the comms system or just ignoring me, I cannot tell, so attacking seemed to be the best bet. Attacking without the intention to kill you should note... I targeted his engines in order to stop him from fleeing. Not much harm done aside from a few credits for repairs. Since the introduction of rebootable modules, disabling one's engines is no longer a death sentence.

To be honest I'm currently thinking of opening fire right away next time, disable the engines, and then communicate my demands. Every second counts, if you don't want to watch your prey jump away.

Tou can tell when someone activates their FSD when you have them targetted easy enough.

Try it out yourself one day, so you get an idea of what you are talking about. If you wait for the FSD to charge, you can as well not interdict at all in the fist place, because it is too late.

 

[Jukelo]

This is never going to go away until FD fix the problem with the whole "forced PvP" thing in ED.
Not everyone wants PvP all the time, no matter what.

How about you play in Mobius' group which is exactly what you are describing? What would be the point of doing what you are suggesting to open play, when you have the option of playing in groups which were specifically meant for that?
You were born with a brain, please turn it on. It might even help you in the game.

 

[scorpyon]

How about you play in Mobius' group which is exactly what you are describing? What would be the point of doing what you are suggesting to open play, when you have the option of playing in groups which were specifically meant for that?
You were born with a brain, please turn it on. It might even help you in the game.

Hah! The unwarranted snark is real with this one! Pretty much what I would expect from a pirate though.

This is why being a bounty hunter is such fun to be honest.

 

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[Jordan Cobalt]

That would be a fair statement if I was playing cops and robbers but I wasn't. There are many games within this game and it is only the pirates who want to force everyone else to play their game(and really I am not totally against it) but that was not really the point of my post. It really was meant as just a story of what happened and what I thought and felt at the time and if you thought to read to the end you would see that it has all moved me on to a new type of game which is probably exactly the type of game the pirates want.

I hate to burst your bubble but, elite is cops and robbers. It's cops, explorers, miners, traders, and robbers.

Pirates are not forcing their play style on you, they are playing the game by the rules the developers have put in place.

 

[Simi Kusoni]

Exactly that. Demand cargo an wait for a response. If the other player refuses then fair game.
But opening fire in 5 seconds flat while the trader is deperately trying to work out the comms system to reply is poor form.

Also, when you frop out of SC, your ships thrusters are automatically set and tour ship is moving. It makes no difference to jumping to SC whether you are moving or stationary. This is the worst 'excuse' for opening fire on someone that I'v ever heard. Tou can tell when someone activates their FSD when you have them targetted easy enough.

I'm not a pirate, but even I know that if someone boosts off you don't wait until their FSD cool down expires.

If you've never been pirated or engaged in piracy, why are you commenting on it?

 

[Lupin]

I have had similar to your attack over in Altair, with player interdiction 3 or 4 times before I lost him.
Personally as soon as I see it's a player I run full shields and engines, and work to jump out of system not in to SC.

But on the other side of this (REAL) player pirates (Not TROLLS) do not have much of a window to get what they want before player can run.
So yes a pain but they do add an element to the game.

 

[SeregDuin]

Hint :
When running, 4 Pips ENG does nothing for you - it's your Afterburner that does all the work and puts/mostly keeps you well outside the Area you could achieve with 4 Pips full Throttle.

4 pips allow recharge of boost quicker.
but thanks for the other tips. very useful .

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OP, how the hell do you think should piracy work?

Ask for cargo nicely, and when denied move on to the next "target"?

Just exactly what's a pirate player supposed to do?


BTW, "cad" is still in your post, something else was deleted

why don't you read the post. I don't want anything to change. All I have described is how I will change the way I play.
Cad is what the moderator put in.

 

[fisty1967]

Thanks for sharing....+1 rep...revenge will be sweet !

 

[zantar429]

Hey, at least you had nothing of value. I had just arrived in that same area from Fujin with rares on board and had never been pirated before either.

I had already lost half my load to a hatch malfunction. I panicked and tried to run in my Adder, but he had a Cobra. Almost got back into supercruise but didn't make it.

At least it only cost me 5000 to get my ship back. The time it took to make the journey hurt more than the insurance.

Maybe if I had offered him a ton of my Tauri Chimes he might have let me go?

 

[Derath]

Exactly that. Demand cargo an wait for a response. If the other player refuses then fair game.
But opening fire in 5 seconds flat while the trader is deperately trying to work out the comms system to reply is poor form.

Also, when you frop out of SC, your ships thrusters are automatically set and tour ship is moving. It makes no difference to jumping to SC whether you are moving or stationary. This is the worst 'excuse' for opening fire on someone that I'v ever heard. Tou can tell when someone activates their FSD when you have them targetted easy enough.

Actually anybody who wants to comply generally does, it isn't hard to throttle down in 5s if you can't control throttle you can't control anything. If you act like you are going to flee everyone will assume you are going to flee and will act accordingly.

 

[Quineloe]

why don't you read the post. I don't want anything to change. All I have described is how I will change the way I play.
Cad is what the moderator put in.

I read the post, you are basically moaning about how a pirate treated you when you refused to comply. Good luck fighting back vs that Clipper in your Cobra next time.

 

[scorpyon]

Actually anybody who wants to comply generally does, it isn't hard to throttle down in 5s if you can't control throttle you can't control anything. If you act like you are going to flee everyone will assume you are going to flee and will act accordingly.

You say that, but as everyone knows, the quickest way to turn your ship around and face the person who interdicted you is to throttle to the blue mark.
This is what any normal person would do and it's hardly fleeing.
Its down to the pirate to recognise this.

 

[Yabba Addict]

+rep just for the thread title, made me lol

 

[Tryst]

FD needs to seriously look at how piracy is implemented. I don't really have an suggestions... I'm not a game designer I'm afraid. Even so, I can see when an intended game mechanic has gone wrong.

One problem is that Elite was based on a single player game, trying to port it to a MMO style of play isn't going to be easy. Forcing players to play in open will result in many quitting so that's not an option either. TBH, if it didn't have the solo option I wouldn't even be playing it now, I hate MMO's, they rarely allow for casual players and are often dominated by players who have megabucks to buy top of the range HOTAS and multiple monitors etc as well as having the time to play for many hours a day.

As far as piracy goes, I can play quite happily against NPC's but players often have a lot more skill that I can't match, especially in a T7. In addition, you have the a-holes who just want to grief rather than play their pirate role, they'll just blow you up for the hell of it since they have no real desire to actually play the game, they just want to rack up kills. They are often the first to use the logoffski trick to avoid being killed themselves.

The only mechanic that could be used to persuade more people to play in open and that's to have a beacon to attract authority ships pretty quickly, (even if it incurred a small cost to call them in). How many arrive (and teh relevant cost) would depend on how many are attacking you. They are NPC's and no real match for a good pilot but would dissuade the cowards who can't put up a real fight against a real combat ship, plus it will give you an opportunity to escape while the pirate(s) are fighting off the NPC's, (or help the NPC's take on the pirates). Having a longer c/d even when you submit wouldn't be so bad then.

 

[Derath]

You say that, but as everyone knows, the quickest way to turn your ship around and face the person who interdicted you is to throttle to the blue mark.
This is what any normal person would do and it's hardly fleeing.
Its down to the pirate to recognise this.

this really doesn't happen, I don't think i've ever had somebody turn to face me, cut engines means cut engines why am I interested in facing you? Sometimes they turn after they cut to see whats going on but I have genuinely never had anybody immediately turn to face me unless they are in another large ship and they are going to fight.

 

[Anopheles]

I hope we get a thread like this every time someone loses as much as 4 tonnes of cargo.

 

[SeregDuin]

I read the post, you are basically moaning about how a pirate treated you when you refused to comply. Good luck fighting back vs that Clipper in your Cobra next time.

Yes. You have shown me the error of my ways. I must cut my engine, open the cargo doors, drop my pants and assume the position over the command console, and say thank you very much sir when the lovely pirate has finished with me. I must comply without complaint I must comply without complaint I must comply without complaint I must comply without complaint.

 

[Snakebite]

I have read the threads about piracy as a legitimate career choice and, for the most part, I have agreed with the philosophy that ED needs all types of players <snip>

You may be interested in using the Bounty Board here http://elitegaming.org.uk/galnet/te.../security/reportform.php?submission=showrules

Basically you can list anyone that has pirated or Griefed you and place a bounty on them. Several Bounty hunters are now using this regularly to hunt down both pirates and Griefers.

 

[Kaeldian]

Well, fighting the pirate is always an option - but bring friends if you make that decision. As far as ED is concerned, if you find yourself in a fair fight, yourself and your adversary are doing it wrong.