[VIDEO] CRAZY Encounter - Asp vs. Vette in Atmospheric Combat

It seems a bit hypocritical to say it's "selfish" to be critical of others and then, in the next sentence, suggest that those who don't like the free-for-all shouldn't play in open.

Personally, I enjoy the free-for-all and I'm also going to carry on voicing an opinion about the stuff that happens there too.
If you don't like that, go play CQC. [up]

I am not being critical at all there...just saying players should expect risk :) ED is a game inherently about choice and consequence. Unfortunately some players take "blaze your own trail" to mean "I can build a paper thin vessel for a task and go about my business, while expecting no harm" - i.e. "I am entitled to no risk".

That's not true at all, and arguably as far from immersion as it gets. I'll say it before and say it again...if we could have a RL ED universe, my trade ship would have as much armour as cargo space. My explorer would be able to withstand collisions with a several G planet (even if logically my body would have melted during descent).

But if you want ED to be "I can build a paper thin vessel for a task and go about my business", that's absolutely fine - provided you accept what's coming to you, or do it where your only threats are NPCs, which luckily for many were neutered to hell and back.

As long as you accept your point is indeed an opinion, I'm going to continue to enjoy the tears - of laughter, as gankers fail miserably to hack out my trade cutter with full A-rated/modded thrusters, about 2k mj shields, and modded reactive bulkheads...all of which cost me zero cargo space from the "usual" trade build.
 
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To be fair to the man, he had to grind twice to get that cheese.

Thus is the difference between grated and ground cheese.
Despite the OPs cheese and application of such, the true shameful event is the Clogging at the end. There is no excuse for cheating in the game, players can opt into other modes to suite their play-styles. Arguments about RPing, personal ingame ethics or the diffuse elements of lore are all secondary to the fundamental concept of a cheat free game.
 
As long as you accept your point is indeed an opinion, I'm going to continue to enjoy the tears - of laughter, as gankers fail miserably to hack out my trade cutter with full A-rated/modded thrusters, about 2k mj shields, and modded reactive bulkheads...all of which cost me zero cargo space from the "usual" trade build.

Absolutely.
Criticism is never more than an expression of opinion. [up]
 
You're not really role players though. You use Pack Hounds which are non imperial weapons, you use Asp Explorers which are neutral ships (meaning you're not flying the Imperial colours unlike your target.)

Comments that imply one must sacrifice effectiveness, common sense, stealth, or other tactics to role play, irk me.

A plausible portrayal of small unit infiltration, strike forces behind enemy lines, or any sort subterfuge, is going to feature whatever is most effective for those particular tasks. Real special forces frequently enter combat out of uniform, using tools and weapons that cannon be traced back to the nation states or other organizations they serve.

Other, practical considerations can also influence choices in this regard. I've never met anyone who would die for absurd points of national pride rather than use the most effective tools on hand. A friend of mine spent his first tour in Vietnam with a Chinese AK knock-off because the M-16s they were assigning at the time didn't have chome lined barrels yet and needed to be kept spotless to be reliable, while the other US alternatives were quite a bit bulkier and less suitable to the sort of action seen.

Not saying the 13th generally takes their role-playing especially seriously, but even if they did, they'd have to be stupid to always goose step around waving the Imperial banner, only eating Imperial Corn Flakes, and only using Imperial made equipment.

Well said jason , i cringed when i saw the all cannon loadout. Cheesed to the max with heat mods i guess. There isnt really a skill requirement when the cannons fry the ships the same way packhounds did a few patches back.

Twenty space bucks says that I could run my general purpose Corvette setup and prevail against the Asps in this video.
 
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Thus is the difference between grated and ground cheese.
Despite the OPs cheese and application of such, the true shameful event is the Clogging at the end. There is no excuse for cheating in the game, players can opt into other modes to suite their play-styles. Arguments about RPing, personal ingame ethics or the diffuse elements of lore are all secondary to the fundamental concept of a cheat free game.

Course, most of the time it's argued that mode-switching isn't even an exploit, much less a "cheat".
Just to play devil's advocate, one has to ask why that might change if somebody decides to mode-switch just as their Cr1bn spaceship comes under attack?
 
A plausible portrayal of small unit infiltration, strike forces behind enemy lines, or any sort subterfuge, is going to feature whatever is most effective for those particular tasks. Real special forces frequently enter combat out of uniform, using tools and weapons that cannon be traced back to the nation states or other organizations they serve.

Other, practical considerations can also influence choices in this regard. I've never met anyone who would die for absurd points of national pride rather than use the most effective tools on hand. A friend of mine spent his first tour in Vietnam with a Chinese AK knock-off because the M-16s they were assigning at the time didn't have chome lined barrels yet and needed to be kept spotless to be reliable, while the other US alternatives were quite a bit bulkier and less suitable to the sort of action seen.

And are there records of such groups infiltrating enemy territory for the purposes of killing random non-combatants?

We actually have quite a big book of rules for how we conduct conflicts in the real-world, often FAR removed from simply "doing whatever is most effective".

Course, none of that stuff applies in the ED universe so people are free to operate within the rules that do apply to ED but it's a bit silly to try and assert "realism" as justification for a given action.
 
That explains why I can't find it :)

Is the vid in the OP also not witch hunting? I mean the 13th Legion not being able to take what they dish out is nothing new, but having it supported by moderator behaviour is a bit rich.

Maybe accusing the corvette pilot of cheating is OK and not witch hunting because we don't know for certain that it was definately cheating. He may just have had connection issues.
 
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