[Video] Griefing : is there a problem?!

[rhiz]

@777Driver

Case in point. And a mild one at that.

For the longest time, Zarek has been roleplaying a bad guy on these forums and in the game. He does it well - his megalomania is creative and entertaining. He has promoted and organized his own story-driven PvP player events, and to my knowledge has never insulted or belittled other players in the course of sticking to his character.

In response to his roleplay, he receives tons of vitriol, both here and on reddit. Direct personal attacks, slander and insult, you name it.

Again, the roleplay requirement that some folks make for "legitimate" PvP is just an excuse to justify their anger at having been blown up. No amount of roleplay will ever actually satisfy them, and Zarek Null is a perfect example of that.

I don’t disagree and I respect that kind of creativity, but if you’re going to respond to a direct question about ganking with a role playing narrative, it needs to be coherent and well thought out, otherwise it’s just *censored*.

 

[The Replicated Man]

I don’t disagree and I respect that kind of creativity, but if you’re going to respond to a direct question about ganking with a role playing narrative, it needs to be coherent and well thought out, otherwise it’s just bull@$*%.

Time to put 4 pips to roleplaying.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I appreciate the creativity and effort Zarek puts into his roleplay and I find it entertaining. I like how he saw this whole thing as an opportunity for him to do what he likes to do -- play an interesting bad-guy character. I frequently cringe when I read the kind of responses he gets from people who seem oblivious that he is playing pretend in a game where the whole point is (surprise!) about playing pretend.

Certainly beats the: Forumdads made me do it, excuse. And it's fun to counter Zarek as Lone Starr to his Dark Helmet.

That sounded homo erotic.

If this game had jam, his radar would be toast.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Keep trying though!

I'll just continue watching your streams from time to time. If I see some quality PvP developing there, I might even consider unblocking you guys some day.

You have blocked me in-game. I thus have no reason to discuss the game further with you.

You're welcome to continue replying to my posts, but this is the last of my replies in-turn.

And what makes you think these detractors aren't roleplaying too?

null - by name and nature

By their language and tone.

I don’t disagree and I respect that kind of creativity, but if you’re going to respond to a direct question about ganking with a role playing narrative, it needs to be coherent and well thought out, otherwise it’s just .

What Roleplay post is your comment in regards to?

 

[rhiz]

What Roleplay post is your comment in regards to?

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/475036-Video-Griefing-is-there-a-problem-!?p=7388994&viewfull=1#post7388994

* He hasn’t really given any role playing justifications, he's merely role playing that there are some (but that they’re a secret).

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/475036-Video-Griefing-is-there-a-problem-!?p=7389227&viewfull=1#post7389227

EDIT: I'm not really knocking him, I respect the effort that he puts into his videos and so on, and the game needs more characters like this.

 

[Vedmo]

I mean the same thing goes for all the PvE bois too. If you try and silence one crowd, what about the other side of the coin? Elite's PvP community is as much a part of the picture as the PvE one.

I personally don't see any differance between a post about getting one's first anaconda or a trip to beagle point, vs a PvP scenario where a player kills another.

I don't want any crowd to be silenced, and largely agree with you. If someone wants to post about the riveting game play they had with a fully engineered SLF launching Vette in a Low Res, glad they are having fun, and I'd put that on par with top notch PvPers blowing up paper thin exploration ships as far as impressiveness of an accomplishment.

My original point was complaining about getting shot at in open (taking gameplay too personal as you'd pointed out) has a flip side too, those who are trying to get maximum reaction from shooting others in open are obviously trying to make it personal, a distinct extension beyond 'it's just a game.'

 

[Zarek Null]

I don’t disagree and I respect that kind of creativity, but if you’re going to respond to a direct question about ganking with a role playing narrative, it needs to be coherent and well thought out, otherwise it’s just *censored*.

I will gladly explain all the reasons motivating the DW2 attacks once DW2 leadership is willing to hear them. Its asking too much of a high level political leader such as myself to divulge all my diplomatic talking points to random commanders in advance of the official, confidential peace talks, for knowledge is power.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I don't want any crowd to be silenced, and largely agree with you. If someone wants to post about the riveting game play they had with a fully engineered SLF launching Vette in a Low Res, glad they are having fun, and I'd put that on par with top notch PvPers blowing up paper thin exploration ships as far as impressiveness of an accomplishment.

My original point was complaining about getting shot at in open (taking gameplay too personal as you'd pointed out) has a flip side too, those who are trying to get maximum reaction from shooting others in open are obviously trying to make it personal, a distinct extension beyond actual game play.

Good point. When players tell you they're out to collect the salt, their motivations are clear enough. It's targeted towards the player, not the CMDR.

 

[rhiz]

I will gladly explain all the reasons motivating the DW2 attacks once DW2 leadership is willing to hear them. Its asking too much of a high level political leader such as myself to divulge all my diplomatic talking points to random commanders in advance of the official, confidential peace talks, for knowledge is power.

Fair enough, Godspeed cmdr.

 

[[VR] M4st0d0n]

Time to put 4 pips to roleplaying.

Maybe just two pips to RP would be enough to produce a better narrative than space vampire lords.

Zarek is a cheap rip off of Ziltoid the Omniscient, except the music is not great, and the videos have less quality than a powerpoint made with Office 2003.

 

[Feros-da-Grundig]

My point is.. its so easy to be high and mighty, say how people need to get good, learnt to outfit (i agree they should) but they would not be half a if the game was just as dangerous for greifer.

The game is as inherently dangerous to the griefer as the trader. The former are simply better prepared. You confuse the poor decision making of many other pilots with the inherent risk of the game for the griefer.

For a few notable griefers in particular - HP & Zarek for instance - they have a slew of skillled lawful commanders who would *love* to have that kill trophy in their list. For those two CMDRs, the game is literally more dangerous. Zarek recently posted a video of being hunted by a combat vette from his shieldless eagle. That's more lopsided danger than almost any trader ever faces.

If you really agree the traders should learn to outfit, go help them instead of wasting trying to belittle a playstyle.

The maths... [...various griefers pay more spacebucks suggestions...] And then we may see grifers crying harassment. Just an interesting idea

That's not math, it's implying griefers would childishly cry, and also abandon their playstyle, when faced with higher credit consequences. Another moral judgement disguised as a gameplay mechanic proposal, and not interesting to me.

We wouldn't "cry" harassment. We might document and point out virtriol. To this day I haven't destroyed a ship without at least attempting comms giving the opponent a chance to help shape the encounter and not die. I often get genuine friend requests after encounters b/c they are fun. But when they respond with things like "ugh, roleplay" (literal quite from a shieldless t-9 running goods in open at a superpower aligned CG), then they have decided to take their chances with flight and fight. A bad choice for a paper build.

Well before I had ever destroyed a single weaker ship, I was 1. called an alt of Zarek's and 2. told that a poster wished "I'd get it caught in my zipper every time I went". So the moral highground nonsense is rubbish to me. It's just a video game anyway, and I see more nasty, reprehensible posts against gankers than posted by them. It's distasteful the level to which some on this forum make things personal. I try to never make this personal. There are many CMDRs who in game I would try to blow up due to my chosen roleplay, but whom out of game I'd love to buy a drink.

i Wish i could, but i never got into the 'twitter' generation, and cant condense what i'm saying. Something things take more than a sentence, else we end up explaining the meaning of one sentence for 50 posts.
I do my best to explain a point without misleading people, so that we don't go down pointless avenues (still working on that).... but these days, people scan read and see what they want

Here you just make an empty character attack (through the cliche of "wisdom of generations"). There's a fair chance I'm both older than you and more well read (not certain of course, I don't make moral/character judgement based on a video game) . The argument of conciseness vs. verbosity long predates twitter. Hemingway vs. Faulkner was a prime example. Hemingway summed it up well with, "Remember, anybody who pulls his erudition or education on you hasn’t any." Sadly, none of the forum bickering elevates to that level of prose rivalry.

You would do better to explain with direct, focused points that shed the moral judgement and meandering rambling.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Maybe just two pips to RP would be enough to produce a better narrative than space vampire lords.

Zarek is a cheap rip off of Ziltoid the Omniscient, except the music is not great, and the videos have less quality than a powerpoint made with Office 2003.

See? Another mild example.

You know, to be honest I think a lot of the Roleplay journals that I see on Inara are some of the dumbest, most poorly written cac I've ever read. I tend to keep that opinion to myself though, and just let them have their thing. No point in deliberately trying to hurt someone's feelings.

 

[Sooden]

Ok, so I understand why you won't fight me. I'm a known associate of SDC, but why would you insult Replicant in such a way?

Will you at least fight HIM?

I'd pay to watch that, tbh. [yesnod]

-The fight is to be held at 'Cygni x-3' system

-if you don't turn up, it counts as defeat.

-Head out there for Friday 8PM GMT in you best fighting pants

-Spectators must reach there by 7:30pm GMT (pants optional)

 

[777Driver]

See? Another mild example.
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Am fairly certain Zarek has a thick skin. Personally, I enjoy his posts, not going to start pledging allegiance and all that tho ;-)

 

[Zaphod Hawke]

When you were in my friends list (last time you were challenging me to some manly and vigorous PVP) I could see you only logging into solo mode and inferred from that you probably only fly whilst wearing a massive pink blouse.

Keep projecting, tiger.

We all play in solo from time to time.

But back to the present...

I challenged you to do nothing but add me to your friend list.

And you failed even this "challenge".

Please keep your sick fantasies to yourself, btw.

As a disciple of the great Zarek Null, my "blouse" is a massive hoooded cassock.

For I am the harbinger of the coming peace.

Z0

 

[Feros-da-Grundig]

Maybe just two pips to RP would be enough to produce a better narrative than space vampire lords.

Zarek is a cheap rip off of Ziltoid the Omniscient, except the music is not great, and the videos have less quality than a powerpoint made with Office 2003.

That is an excellent compliment to our overlord. Devin Townsend is a phenomenal musician, and Zarek is a phenomenal overlord. Like Townsend, Zarek realizes the value of putting on an over-the-top show in a fictional galaxy, and its difference from real life. Unlike so many posters here.

So where are all these 4 pips roleplayers? The "Search for Raxxla?" crowd? I say, let them have their fun - but by your relaxed criteria it's just a cheap knock of Gilgamesh searching for immortality, with fewer millennia of lore and analysis to back it up.

Powerplay roleplay has zero pips for sure. Name calling and cliquishness, with hauling in solo.

No, no. It is Zarek who provides the best 4 pip narrative. Z0.

 

[Feros-da-Grundig]

I don’t disagree and I respect that kind of creativity, but if you’re going to respond to a direct question about ganking with a role playing narrative, it needs to be coherent and well thought out, otherwise it’s just *censored*.

Name one other CMDR who's been as consistent and long running in playing a clearly defined role and generated more content.

There might be some on the research and explo side. Combat though?

 

[Chaparral]

2200+ kills, a little over 1300 unique if I'm not mitsaken.

Some numbers are missing though - we're working that out.

So clearly ganking does have an impact on the game. Guess we can close the thread?

 

[Deleted member 115407]

So clearly ganking does have an impact on the game. Guess we can close the thread?

Well it surely has generated a lot of interest and discussion.

I don't think that DW2 would have had the same effect without us.

 

[Stigbob]

Keep projecting, tiger.

We all play in solo from time to time.

But back to the present...

I challenged you to do nothing but add me to your friend list.

And you failed even this "challenge".

Please keep your sick fantasies to yourself, btw.

As a disciple of the great Zarek Null, my "blouse" is a massive hoooded cassock.

For I am the harbinger of the coming peace.

Z0

For me its all about the man-flirting, and I just don't fancy you.