We call it the Australia Tax.. We don't have a huge market for upper tier IT gear, so what we do get comes with a price premium.. And a shipping premium.. If we can order it locally at all. As an example, I can see the new Nvidia 30xx cards going for upwards of AU$2500, when they get here. And I wish I could say the pricing premiums could be entirely explained by taxes etc, except that isn't true - the hardware vendors take the largest cut.
VR support 'not at launch' for Odyssey
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We call it the Australia Tax.. We don't have a huge market for upper tier IT gear, so what we do get comes with a price premium.. And a shipping premium.. If we can order it locally at all. As an example, I can see the new Nvidia 30xx cards going for upwards of AU$2500, when they get here. And I wish I could say the pricing premiums could be entirely explained by taxes etc, except that isn't true - the hardware vendors take the largest cut.
I play with land rovers IRL, and the ozzy & kiwi guys on the forums quote spare parts prices that make our pommy eyes water, but obviously getting stuff from pommy land to oz costs megabux...
Well it's kinda other way around, there's Australia and NZ which is on the absolute world's end for an European
So due to your rather unfortunate geographical location, there's Austrialia / NZ and the rest of the world ;-)USA has the lowest price, though with 5 years more of Trump's tariffs, and it will drastically change lol
EU is usually +25-30% tax higher than the USA price.Owww... That hurts mate. Wouldn't it be actually cheaper if you organised yourselves and imported this into the country via someone flying abroad? I always wondered that if someone could gather people who want to buy stuff X and buy abroad, maybe even in bulk, for a small premium to cover the endeavour's expenses?
That sort of thing does happen, less so since the growth of things like Amazon/FleaBay. I was part of a buy for a pallet of cases, they were clones of an expensive case, same factory, thinner steel. Being honest, I could have gotten the Rift cheaper, but the 8-12 week shipping delay wasn't tolerable, not when I could pay the Aus Tax and have it now. And that's often what it boils down to, you get the choice of saving money and waiting for delivery or paying the Aus Tax to have it now. Sometimes the Aus Tax is worth paying, sometimes it isn't.
Nah I sent it from my apple Newton.
Nice one, it's good to find something that gets you there (to a state of zen). I'm curious, do you fly with a HOTAS? because I find the flight model too twitchy with my X56, literally touch the stick and the ship goes into an uncontrollable spin, so maybe Fdev fixed it up somewhat - and also remembers which mode you're in?
Flight Assist off in XRVR / X4 (pancake) is sublime in comparison, but I've not played ED in 6 months.
Hi Franc, I appreciate your understanding, I used to have an x56, and when derping about in a stealth DBS build I used to use part time FA off and I found the stick quite flyable with use of the joystick software to put an s-curve on the response and a reasonable amount of deadband on the twist as mine was quite noisy / jittery around centre. I don't have the X56 anymore, but the S-Curve I talk about looks like:
Flatter around the centre, making small inputs easier and more precise. With the curves on the X56 I could land rail gun shots but found it very hard to "quiet the ship" as in coming to a complete stop.
With the x56 throttle not having a detent for mid point and lateral and vertical thrusters being on the thumbstick on the left was not ideal for FAoff. There is however a thingiverse free do download 3d printable mod to give it that detent, I had one printed up using an ebay 3d printing service, and it was good to begin with but the plastic they printed it with became brittle, and broke, however printed in a more appropriate plastic this would be a good thing:
X-55 Throttle Detent Add-on by BManx2000
Adds a detent to the X-55 left throttle. The device can be installed and removed easily. Note that this will add friction to the throttle.There are two detent pieces, one with 75% throttle (for afterburner), and one with 50% throttle (for space games).UpdateI added a new spring piece which can...
www.thingiverse.com
About that time I was starting to dip my toe into PVP (still not my speciality but I'm not a chicken burger either), and one of the guys I used to fly with, who was teaching me, recommended I moved on to flying with twinsticks. At that point the X56 was ~500hrs old and had a few loose / worn buttons (saitek build quality - pre Logitech ownership). So I took the plunge into twin sticks, starting with a pair of thrustmaster t16000 sticks, but I found them limited for buttons having become used to what was available on the x56, I was using combo button presses, ie: button 1 + hat left did this - but button 2 and left had did other - etc. So eventually the hats were wearing out and I upgraded from the T16000s to a pair of VKB Kocmosima's, both with twist axis on them.
I had set up the T16000's and the Kosmosimas set up with what I imagine is a fairly intuitive model, that I'll explain here, the right stick for yaw pitch and roll on the twist Y and X axis' respectively essentially mapped to rotation around the axis, and the left hand stick for movement long the same axis'. The way I've modelled this in my brain is to imagine glueing a small model plane on to the top of the right hand joystick, as you move the right stick, the small aircraft's motions match the movement of the stick and inturn that matches the resultant effects on the ship in the game. On the left stick I've got X-Axis for left and right lateral thrusters inverted so moving the stick right movest the ship to the right rather than fire the righthand thrusters to the ship to the left. Similar thing for back forwards "throttle" on Y axis, using throttle rather than thrusters as I need a throttle axis for supercruise, and twist for vertical (twisting right to "screw" the ship down towards the desk).
This is an old thread where Sanderling and myself jedi mind tricked @Xavoras into, I mean informatively coached them along their learning, to fly FAoff. Reading that thread, applying some curves to your inputs, and following moxen wolf's video tutorials will make the FAoff learning a lot more accessible.
Brain re-wire / controller setup
So I’ve been using a stick and throttle setup for a while, with rudder pedals. The stick has twist function which I use for yaw, in addition to roll and pitch. On my pedals I have vertical thrust and lateral thrust. The throttle manages forward and rear ‘thrust’, but as throttle, not true...
Have y'all seen the specs of the rtx3090!?!?!?! 10,496 Cuda cores!?!?!?! That would spank the frack out of VR! And surely the availability of such performance steam rollers any possible objection about Odessy maybe being too resource hungry for VR.
I don't know a whole lot about GPUs, but I seem to recall whenever I have heard people speak of Cuda cores, in the past, it has always been in the context of general computing...
That said: Even should those cores turn out to do little for pixel shaders, such an increased amount of cores to support compute shaders should have potential to do wonders for Elite's procedural generation.
Heck... Maybe even if Elite never adds any smidgeon of raytracing proper, it could do some sort of limited raytraced lighting precomputations - kind of like lightprobes, but rendered at runtime, at some leisurely rate, or something... Would be nice to at long last get light (direct and indirect), from multiple bodies, even should it remain with only one of them casting shadows. :7
No, but do let me know if there's any other questions I've never tried to answer which you feel I may be able to help with.
Here are the main statements to date. The short answer is still: Not at launch. Maybe some time afterwards.
(If you fancy a long-shot, and it takes your fancy, come support the experimental branch proposal
. It's pushing for basic VR support at launch.)I'm not going to lie to you, I'm not the oracle of all things GPU, but I think of GPU performance as being analogous to CPU performance, and being derived from (mainly) two factors, core count and clock speed. That's why in general a 4 core PC will outperform a 2 core one, and a pc that is overclocked will outperform a lesser clock speed computer with the same CPU. In general more cores and or more clock speed, means more performance. To put the GPU prowess of the 3090 in perspective:
I was just asking as you seemed to have more of a grasp of her financial argument than I did...
Afraid not, I just seemed to remember it was $1000 for an Index. And £1000 for some unexplained reason.
Generally our taxation offsets the exchange rate, so the ~30% in expected price reduction translating a new product's MSRP from doll hairs into "real" money (ie our one that IS backed by gold) disappears by the time you add the tax and duty of importing the product. Hence products that retails stateside for $1000 retailing for £1000 in blighty.
True although it's not just that of course, our Glorious Great British Pound becoming more and more worthless as the years go by has helped/hindered depending on your outlook. For me, as I make most of my money selling digital products in USD, the exchange rate back to GBP has been gradually beneficial.
Not that much benefit if, as I fully expect, we end up looking like a Fallout screenshot in a few months.
Yes. There are, however, different cores, optimised to offer certain functions that suits certain purposes, such as the "Tensor" cores that came with the RTX series, which help with raytracing and machine learning.
...but googling briefly, I do see that the Cuda cores are indeed the ones responsible for rasterisation, and not a set, apart, for general computation, which was the mistaken impression I had picked up -- I figured there would be a class of core pretty much specialised on drawing. :7
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Index is expensive but we don't do that bad in the $ to £ conversion. Iirc it is £920 with postage on top (postage is high tho... Iirc)
I'm really curious about the Reverb G2.
Visually they say it's a bit superior to the Index and the integrated sensors and the much lower price makes it a very tough competitor.
But for this year I think I put my budget on the RTX3080 for Flight Simulator VR (waiting of course for other players to confirm the quality of this combination).
G2 has better image quality but slighy lower FOV (still higher than my rift CV1 however so I will be happy). Launch date has apparently been delayed till end of October (not that I have officially been told that yet so my order delivery date has not changed) but according to the German supplier this is because they are making a last min improvement to the lenses... Not sure that rings true with me to be honest but we shall see