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If your contribution to something is basically "you're doing stuff wrong and I'm not going to provide anything constructive on how it could be better" then sorry, best you can expect is ridicule.

FDev have already said they're working on adding stuff. The thread is based on a whinge, nothing more.

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Umm that "new" SRV has been in the pipeline for years. I think people can fairly say that that style of adding stuff is worrying. One ship a half decade, not the best excitement generator. FDev's word on stuff is dubious at best.
 
The numbers are what they are, but context is important. If you look at the chart over the last three months, NMS and ED enjoyed similar numbers. It is only very recently that NMS numbers exploded. What changed? It is obviously the new perma-death expedition that NMS has released. As the numbers show, it has been well-received, to say the least. There is a lesson here for FDev: getting imaginative with in-game content can be a gamble that pays off big. I am hoping that the major narrative phase in August does the same for Odyssey.

I have always found it striking that even with all the fallout from the Odyssey launch debacle, Elite was still maintaining population parity with the better received NMS! There remains a core strength to Elite that even the infamous launch of Odyssey can't tarnish. If FDev keeps their nose to the grindstone and continues to improve the core Odyssey experience (as they seem to indicate they will do through early 2023 at a minimum), I still believe Odyssey will prove to be a net positive for the game (it's not yet, obviously, but could be). I think what is hurting the game the most at the moment is no longer the condition of Odyssey as much as the reputation of Frontier. They burned almost all their good will with the smash-and-grab that was the forced launch of Odyssey. Few trust them anymore, especially from the old spacers who've been here since Horizon days. I think that sense of betrayal is what is hurting the franchise the most at the moment. That is the real lesson that FDev needs to learn.
Now if that would've been the OP we could've spared lots of ridicule.
 
It is a game... Nothing should be affecting one in a negative emotional manner, surely?
Emotional no its a game. Having to deal with insane content drought culminating in extremely lackluster content drops, a bit annoying. Especially if its a paid expansion where as a consumer there are minimum expectations. I like this game, I am not a blind super fan. Maybe FDev has a definitive plan that is coming to an end and they are just stretching this thing out, fine be honest about it. And if its going to be a live service game than do that. Don't half step it. But at this stage FDev saying "Stuff is coming, come on guys we can't tell you but trust us its on the way. Be excited, would we ever steer you wrong". Wink Wink. Its old.
 
There are now approximately 5 times as many people playing NMS as there are playing ED on Steam. A year or so ago, it was about the same number on each. They did it by adding more and more interesting and engaging game-play rather than concentrating on daft details that only a small vocal minority want. They're a very small team compared with how many are supposed to have been working on ED, and they're not bloated by countless community managers that do god knows what.
Elite released with its own launch platform. No Man's Sky did not. Don't draw conclusions based upon incomplete data.

As I recall, NMS had a rocky launch because they ignored the 'daft details' and have been scrambling for the past 6 years or so to remedy that issue to get to where they are now.

Community managers have no influence upon the course of a game's development. It's in the title, they exist solely to interface and manage with the community.

If you're going to blow smoke, put some effort into it so it can provide some sort of constructive merit.
 
Emotional no its a game. Having to deal with insane content drought culminating in extremely lackluster content drops, a bit annoying. Especially if its a paid expansion where as a consumer there are minimum expectations. I like this game, I am not a blind super fan. Maybe FDev has a definitive plan that is coming to an end and they are just stretching this thing out, fine be honest about it. And if its going to be a live service game than do that. Don't half step it. But at this stage FDev saying "Stuff is coming, come on guys we can't tell you but trust us its on the way. Be excited, would we ever steer you wrong". Wink Wink. Its old.
I just play something else whenever I am bored with Elite and there is no new content.
 
I am not a blind super fan
Nor am I, but I do have the habit of playing whatever a game has, today, rather than be concerned with what it might have tomorrow. It is probably a hangover from playing in the 1980's, when the only things a game had were those on the tape it came on.

ED may or may not get additional content, and if it does the CMs will eventually tell us all what it is. (I do agree that the "great stuff, but we can't tell you what" line is getting incredibly old, but unlikely to change) Tomorrow has an update which may (but unlikely) cure some of the stability and outstanding performance issues, I'll know tomorrow afternoon sometime.

I suppose we approach playing games differently, which is perfectly fine as you wouldn't want to be a boring as me!
 
There are now approximately 5 times as many people playing NMS as there are playing ED on Steam. A year or so ago, it was about the same number on each. They did it by adding more and more interesting and engaging game-play rather than concentrating on daft details that only a small vocal minority want. They're a very small team compared with how many are supposed to have been working on ED, and they're not bloated by countless community managers that do god knows what.
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Nor am I, but I do have the habit of playing whatever a game has, today, rather than be concerned with what it might have tomorrow. It is probably a hangover from playing in the 1980's, when the only things a game had were those on the tape it came on.

ED may or may not get additional content, and if it does the CMs will eventually tell us all what it is. (I do agree that the "great stuff, but we can't tell you what" line is getting incredibly old, but unlikely to change) Tomorrow has an update which may (but unlikely) cure some of the stability and outstanding performance issues, I'll know tomorrow afternoon sometime.

I suppose we approach playing games differently, which is perfectly fine as you wouldn't want to be a boring as me!
I have also been doing this since the Atari 800xl but as far as space sims go BC3K Ad gave a me a special kind of patience limiter. Your right.
 
But at this stage FDev saying "Stuff is coming, come on guys we can't tell you but trust us its on the way. Be excited, would we ever steer you wrong".
That's true.

On the other hand, even within that extremely vague framework - announcing in May "there'll be a bug-fix release later this month" - they've still managed to miss it. Now, sure, I'd prefer they didn't release it with whatever last-minute bugs they found, right decision to put it back a couple of weeks. But it still means they missed their original release estimate by about as much again (assuming tomorrow's release does go ahead!).

So there's absolutely no point in asking them for a more detailed roadmap than "yes, we're still developing the game, not dead yet" because anything to do with timescales, descriptions, features, etc. is just going to be their perennial optimism about what might be possible and not actually going to show up as they originally believed.

(I'm not sure Frontier have even really tried to get people excited about the roadmap this time)
 
My only complaint with ED is the server crashes. Even the whining and Whinging about the economy doesn't bother me. You wanna play a fouled up game that's 'complete'? Try Day Z. And I play that pretty heavily.

NMS looks too cartoony for me. No knock on NMS just not my thing. I like this game a lot and find few issues to really bother me. That includes Odyssey. I'm probably an extreme minority opinion on that though.

I do miss the doom threads. They were here before me and long live after me I hope.
 
I have always found it striking that even with all the fallout from the Odyssey launch debacle, Elite was still maintaining population parity with the better received NMS! There remains a core strength to Elite that even the infamous launch of Odyssey can't tarnish. If FDev keeps their nose to the grindstone and continues to improve the core Odyssey experience (as they seem to indicate they will do through early 2023 at a minimum), I still believe Odyssey will prove to be a net positive for the game (it's not yet, obviously, but could be). I think what is hurting the game the most at the moment is no longer the condition of Odyssey as much as the reputation of Frontier. They burned almost all their good will with the smash-and-grab that was the forced launch of Odyssey. Few trust them anymore, especially the old spacers who've been here since Horizon days. I think that sense of betrayal is what is hurting the franchise the most at the moment. That is the real lesson that FDev needs to learn.
This. NMS attracting more and more players is good for NMS (and I suppose some players leaving is also good for NMS, as they so far haven't charged for any update. Can only maintain that as long as a steady stream of new players that buy the game arrive and a steady stream of older players leave, or you'd constantly have to upgrade your infrastructure adding to the cost overhead), but is ultimately meaningless for ED. As long as ED maintains a steady player core that pays for updates, pays for cosmetics, it's not quite dead.

Is it pitiful that EDO has lost practically all the new players that came on for it ? Yes. Could FDEV have done more and more exciting updates if those players hadn't been lost ? Yes. Is it FDEV's fault for releasing EDO too early ? Maybe. I can't know if they even had a choice in the matter. Neither do I know if EDO would even be in the relatively good state it meanwhile is if it had gone through another year of internal development without the feedback and reports from the wider playerbase.
 
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