Well you were claiming the person you were ranting against was in the minority when it came to possible group/clan/whatever 'stuff'. Just pointing out that the group folks are more likely in the majority rather than those demanding otherwise...and I can't tell you because you have to be in a group to have access those discussions! neener neener!
BTW.. I like your idea that groups should be limited in their capability...yet should be huge to have any impact on the game...nice ideas!
Huh?
Sorry - just to clarify: I just spotted you said large scale PvP. I've never mentioned, pushed for or advocated that in any way - because I don't want it (and nor do I think it's possible with the game's technical constraints). The improvements I advocate are not with that in mind.
My comments on 3rd party tools and how the gamers who like to work in groups, call them teams/clans/guilds/its all the same, that's not an opinion, again, that's FACT, we've been doing that for 20+ years now, as the first online games didn't offer anything like that, we didn't have any choice in the matter. And the groups still do this, they have their voice comm servers, they have their FB pages, this isn't an opinion, this is fact.
Do you guys even PLAY other online games with large units in them? I ask because it seems like you don't or you'd be aware of this already, 3rd party tools are a given for any unit/group/clan/guild and have been for decades now.
Wing, the only TEAM-ish thing you mentioned, and I'll wager someone in legal asked why the adverts state Elite Dangerous is THE Massively Multiplayer Online experience and doesn't actually DO a damn thing to support that statement, so Wings came about. I mean, if you make that claim, as FD doe, you really DO need to have SOMETHING that applies in that area you know. Wings kinda does that, but it's enough to take care of any legal challenges, so..good enough! And as I said, the other stuff you mentioned, CGs, GalNet, etc, nothing to do with teams, do you even realize that? Those are either PR bits or things to make the individual player feel they are part of the big background story, that's all they are. Bounty boards...how the hell you get anything team oriented out of those is beyond me.
Team support in the game is actually zip, zero, nothing, as Wings isn't actually a TEAM tool, it's simply a way to group with 3 others at a time, that's it, JUST enough to cover legal issues, not much else. You've got the ability to chat with your friends in Elite without a Wing, so you don't need to be in a Wing to chat with your friends. Wings allows you to be in a party with people, 3 others, and that's about it. Don't even have to be in the same area of the galaxy to be in a Wing, so it's NOT a team tool per se, it allows some team like functionality, but that's it. BIG difference there, really big, but you don't seem to see that...
And large scale PvP does exist in Elite Dangerous, true it's mostly a big streetbrawl when it takes place, but it does indeed take place, I've watched quite a bit of the videos for them, it's not new either, so I'm guessing you really aren't in touch with what some of the teams in Elite ARE all about, which is PvP. The Code, RoA, CTRL, lots of other random collections of letters, they all do these large scale combats. True, there's a limit to HOW big they can get, instancing and all that, but 16v16 is possible, you should look up the vids.
The OP wants something right out of EvE, pure and simple, and that's not going to happen. Others want essentially the same thing but are trying to sugarcoat it so it doesn't SEEM like the EvE stuff, but that's what it is. Others just want some team tools, period, ANYTHING at all! I'm in agreement with the last group, ANY tools at all for teams would be awesome! I'm also fully aware of David's dislike of teams, you can try the 'he said guilds' line all you want, guilds/teams/clans/units/teams, it's the SAME damn thing, terminology varies INSIDE a game, much less from game to game, but it MEANS the same thing, organized group of players banding together. David doesn't like that because it does come with the toxicity that he hates, that's a fact, it exists, always. Not all groups are like that but enough ARE that it's always a problem in any game. He is right on that count, we already have it in Elite Dangerous and that's without a single tool ingame to support teams, so how much WORSE will that get with tools that DO support them? Get a base for your unit and it'll have an impact across ALL modes, it has to, the BGS makes that so, or you get NOTHING for having that base, which makes it totally pointless and NOT what most of the people who want a base will accept, they want to be able to control their market, limit access to THEIR base, and that will impact solo and group modes, and that's not going to happen.
WE, the people who are actually team oriented and want to play with others of a like mind, we are the minority in Elite, a very small minority. We're playing a single player game that wasn't designed to support team oriented play, designed by a man who doesn't like that in the first place. And you expect the devs to cater to you....well...why not, you assume all these not team things are there for teams, so why wouldn't you expect the sun to rise in the north and set in the east?
