What to do with my FDL?

Viper2kUK

Viper2kUK
I used to have an FDL ages back but I've binned it off - all because of the poor size of fuel tank it comes with (you shouldn't have to waste a module slot with another fuel tank just to be able to use the FDL in a more versatile way (imo)). I moved over to the Python and never looked back.

V2k.
 

khaos526

khaos526
Well I've already got 2 Pythons so no need for more. I ended up stripping it, modded up the modules to 3.0 Engineering standards and effects and will ship the parts to Colonia for my FAS and other ships there. I'll keep it around with it's cool paint job and use it for Thargoid hunting in the future I think.

Got my Corvette for the REZ and CZ's and Chieftain for the other things (and now for Bounty Hunting and Assassination missions), so no need the FDL for that.

Or maybe I'll just mod it up and ship it to Colonia and use that as I used to use it for CZ's before getting my Corvette. That way I'll have 2 combat ships in Colonia space...
 

BinaryFu

BinaryFu
Bryan K said:
Pfft...PWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Seriously, no.
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You obviously haven't engineered one. Aside from the looks of it, the Chieftain outperforms an FDL hands down. Please argue this. We can go to stats quickly and see it's true.

FDL stats:
Jump Range: 11.41 (unengineered)
Pitch: 3.4s Roll: 1.3s Yaw: 9.5s
Speed: 377 Boost: 550
Shields: 1,294Mj
Hull Armor: 1,008
Raw Damage Output: 60.0

Alliance Chieftain stats:
Jump Range: 16.7 (unengineered)
Pitch: 3.2s Roll: 1.2s Yaw: 6.9s
Speed: 308 Boost: 534
Shields: 418Mj
Hull Armor: 2,333
Raw Damage Output: 57.8

So, the FDL has superior speed, boost and shields - which is excellent since it can't out maneuver an Alliance Chieftain, it can use those benefits to run for the hills while the Chieftain sticks to it's tailpipes like glue and pounds the living daylights out of it.

And if you drop the Chieftain's shields? It can stay in the fight longer AND has the ability to hold an AFMU, Collector Limpet Controller AND Repair Limpets as well, so it can stay in the fight longer, do repairs if necessary AND get mats at the same time.

The FDL can...well...look good and hold an AFMU and a tiny repair limpet...and storage for about six of them.

*ahem*

Hands down. Alliance Chieftain is the superior ship. Take one out, engineer it and see what it can do.
 
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Bigmaec

Bigmaec
BinaryFu said:
You obviously haven't engineered one. Aside from the looks of it, the Chieftain outperforms an FDL hands down. Please argue this. We can go to stats quickly and see it's true.

FDL stats:
Jump Range: 11.41 (unengineered)
Pitch: 3.4s Roll: 1.3s Yaw: 9.5s
Speed: 377 Boost: 550
Shields: 1,294Mj
Hull Armor: 1,008
Raw Damage Output: 60.0

Alliance Chieftain stats:
Jump Range: 16.7 (unengineered)
Pitch: 3.2s Roll: 1.2s Yaw: 6.9s
Speed: 308 Boost: 534
Shields: 418Mj
Hull Armor: 2,333
Raw Damage Output: 57.8

So, the FDL has superior speed, boost and shields - which is excellent since it can't out maneuver an Alliance Chieftain, it can use those benefits to run for the hills while the Chieftain sticks to it's tailpipes like glue and pounds the living daylights out of it.

And if you drop the Chieftain's shields? It can stay in the fight longer AND has the ability to hold an AFMU, Collector Limpet Controller AND Repair Limpets as well, so it can stay in the fight longer, do repairs if necessary AND get mats at the same time.

The FDL can...well...look good and hold an AFMU and a tiny repair limpet...and storage for about six of them.

*ahem*

Hands down. Alliance Chieftain is the superior ship. Take one out, engineer it and see what it can do.
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Your numbers are off.

Mine are

top speed 420 / boost 552

shields 3186 mj
armour 1034

DPS 93

Really. If you have 1200 mj shields, you do something wrong with your shield tank.
 

CAPT. Ho Chi Minge

CAPT. Ho Chi Minge
At first i wasnt a fan of the Cheif but its growing on me since i fit a prismatic , the shields aint fantastic but it can turn on a dime... im mainly pve with outbursts of pvp so opted for -

2 x Advanced Plasmas (class 3)
1 x Imperial Hammer (class 2)
3 x Rails (class 1)

Floats like a butterfly and stings like a venereal disease.

Bigmaec said:
Why is it ruining my day more then with 1200mj shields? And why is it ruining a Chieftain less so?

Or does it? Then your response is irrelevant.
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Armour. Get moar , phasing weapons do damage to hulls through shields and your armour wont hold up to sustained assault
 
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Bigmaec

Bigmaec
CAPT. Ho Chi Minge said:
At first i wasnt a fan of the Cheif but its growing on me since i fit a prismatic , the shields aint fantastic but it can turn on a dime... im mainly pve with outbursts of pvp so opted for -

2 x Advanced Plasmas (class 3)
1 x Imperial Hammer (class 2)
3 x Rails (class 1)

Floats like a butterfly and stings like a venereal disease.



Armour. Get moar
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Yeah, I'll concede that point - especially regarding an all-phasing build - as I believed mistakenly that this was about a PvE build, but I misremembered (there was another one I think).
 

Bryan K

Bryan K
BinaryFu said:
You obviously haven't engineered one. Aside from the looks of it, the Chieftain outperforms an FDL hands down. Please argue this. We can go to stats quickly and see it's true.

FDL stats:
Jump Range: 11.41 (unengineered)
Pitch: 3.4s Roll: 1.3s Yaw: 9.5s
Speed: 377 Boost: 550
Shields: 1,294Mj
Hull Armor: 1,008
Raw Damage Output: 60.0

Alliance Chieftain stats:
Jump Range: 16.7 (unengineered)
Pitch: 3.2s Roll: 1.2s Yaw: 6.9s
Speed: 308 Boost: 534
Shields: 418Mj
Hull Armor: 2,333
Raw Damage Output: 57.8

So, the FDL has superior speed, boost and shields - which is excellent since it can't out maneuver an Alliance Chieftain, it can use those benefits to run for the hills while the Chieftain sticks to it's tailpipes like glue and pounds the living daylights out of it.

And if you drop the Chieftain's shields? It can stay in the fight longer AND has the ability to hold an AFMU, Collector Limpet Controller AND Repair Limpets as well, so it can stay in the fight longer, do repairs if necessary AND get mats at the same time.

The FDL can...well...look good and hold an AFMU and a tiny repair limpet...and storage for about six of them.

*ahem*

Hands down. Alliance Chieftain is the superior ship. Take one out, engineer it and see what it can do.
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Did you actually look at the stats you typed? The Chieftain only beats the FdL in range (irrelevant for combat) and armor (irrelevant because of external module sniping).

According to the numbers you’ve so generously provided, the FdL is faster, more maneuverable, better shielded, and deals more damage, all of which makes it the superior combat vessel.

Don’t get me wrong, I adore my Chieftain (which is fully engineered, BTW), but it’s more of a halfway point between the FAS and FdL. I’ve flown both extensively in combat, and the FdL outperforms it in every way.

Perhaps you don’t know how to fly your FdL?
 

jasonbarron

jasonbarron
Bigmaec said:
Why is it ruining my day more then with 1200mj shields? And why is it ruining a Chieftain less so?

Or does it? Then your response is irrelevant.
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Because players with the amount of shields you outlined are face tankers who completely rely on the massive amount of shields to protect them from harm, and 5x phasing PA's will chew through 1200 hull points like it's hot buttered popcorn.

Players who use low mj biweaves, on the other hand, are generally very skilled at flying evasively and maximizing the strafing runs.
 
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