What we really need from Aegis

[Balky]

Forget this nonsense right now of investigating the maelstroms, those of us on the front line want better heavier hitting weapons. Engineerable Lvl 3 , Lvl 4 Shard Cannons. Railguns and Cannon that have sabot ammo similar to mining sub surface displacement rounds to crack open interceptors to get to that juicy thargy inside and rip them apart, forget doing them one heart as a time . Point defence systems that actually take out caustic missiles and thargon swarms, you know the sort of thing a point defence system SHOULD work on , free up weapon slots from having to equip remote flak launchers fighting in those orbital combat zones and at stations .

You defeat your enemy by killing him in such numbers he can`t fight anymore , the better and quicker we do it, the faster we save humanity and reclaim our systems.

The souls of millions cry out for revenge , give us the tools to give them it !

 

[BDelacroix]

Forget this nonsense right now of investigating the maelstroms, those of us on the front line want better heavier hitting weapons. Engineerable Lvl 3 , Lvl 4 Shard Cannons. Railguns and Cannon that have sabot ammo similar to mining sub surface displacement rounds to crack open interceptors to get to that juicy thargy inside and rip them apart, forget doing them one heart as a time . Point defence systems that actually take out caustic missiles and thargon swarms, you know the sort of thing a point defence system SHOULD work on , free up weapon slots from having to equip remote flak launchers fighting in those orbital combat zones and at stations .

You defeat your enemy by killing him in such numbers he can`t fight anymore , the better and quicker we do it, the faster we save humanity and reclaim our systems.

The souls of millions cry out for revenge , give us the tools to give them it !

You haven't been keeping up. Fighting in the traditional way is not how the game is to be played.
Tissue sampling to death is the new meta.

 

[Balky]

You haven't been keeping up. Fighting in the traditional way is not how the game is to be played.
Tissue sampling to death is the new meta.

I hadn`t thought of that, so we get 10 ships, launch 4000 limpets at them and peck them to death, they`ll be so annoyed at this they`ll leave.

 

[Ultra Fluffy]

You won't win the war by killing the small fry quicker. You need to attack the maelstroms that are producing the small fry quicker than you can kill them. Attack the cause of the problem, not the symptom. Also a bigger gun won't help if you can't shoot straight. You should be shooting at the Orthrus. The problem is they are difficult to find. What we need is tech to help us locate them.

Now once they penetrate the maelstrom then what they find inside may need a bigger or different weapon. The problem is we don't know what we need until we find out what's inside. We don't want a huge plasma gun to only find out that plasma has no effect.

 

[Balky]

You won't win the war by killing the small fry quicker. You need to attack the maelstroms that are producing the small fry quicker than you can kill them. Attack the cause of the problem, not the symptom. Also a bigger gun won't help if you can't shoot straight. You should be shooting at the Orthrus. The problem is they are difficult to find. What we need is tech to help us locate them.

Now once they penetrate the maelstrom then what they find inside may need a bigger or different weapon. The problem is we don't know what we need until we find out what's inside. We don't want a huge plasma gun to only find out that plasma has no effect.

drive them back to their maelstroms, surround them and then see what else we need i say, and i shoot more than straight enough .

 

[Ultra Fluffy]

drive them back to their maelstroms, surround them and then see what else we need i say, and i shoot more than straight enough .

Ok so you want drive them all back and then pop them off one by one as they try to emerge again. Sounds like a duck shoot at a county fair to me.

Most people are relishing the challenge rather than just expecting a kill for every shot. Its all about strategy, teaming up and working out the best way to win the war, not just take pot shots at the Thargoid because you like to see them explode.

It just amazes me the number of people who beg for the game to be made easier or who ask for content to be removed because they don't use it. Maelstroms will add content. There will be more stuff to shoot in the face and it will get more difficult the deeper you go. That is the idea, make it more challenging as the player base gets better.

Didn't D2EA demonstrate a weapon with a 2 second kill time?

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZcsar7GEts

You don't want it easier than that, do you?

 

[Balky]

Ok so you want drive them all back and then pop them off one by one as they try to emerge again. Sounds like a duck shoot at a county fair to me.

Most people are relishing the challenge rather than just expecting a kill for every shot. Its all about strategy, teaming up and working out the best way to win the war, not just take pot shots at the Thargoid because you like to see them explode.

It just amazes me the number of people who beg for the game to be made easier or who ask for content to be removed because they don't use it. Maelstroms will add content. There will be more stuff to shoot in the face and it will get more difficult the deeper you go. That is the idea, make it more challenging as the player base gets better.

Didn't D2EA demonstrate a weapon with a 2 second kill time?

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZcsar7GEts

You don't want it easier than that, do y

Ok so you want drive them all back and then pop them off one by one as they try to emerge again. Sounds like a duck shoot at a county fair to me.

Most people are relishing the challenge rather than just expecting a kill for every shot. Its all about strategy, teaming up and working out the best way to win the war, not just take pot shots at the Thargoid because you like to see them explode.

It just amazes me the number of people who beg for the game to be made easier or who ask for content to be removed because they don't use it. Maelstroms will add content. There will be more stuff to shoot in the face and it will get more difficult the deeper you go. That is the idea, make it more challenging as the player base gets better.

Didn't D2EA demonstrate a weapon with a 2 second kill time?

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZcsar7GEts

You don't want it easier than that, do you?

thats a cyclops, you`re not doing that to a hydie or medusa

 

[Fizzatron]

I agree that an AX ECM would be great to have when it comes to those pesky caustic missiles!

 

[Kira Goto]

thats a cyclops, you`re not doing that to a hydie or medusa

Well, technically…

Source: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S9N4eOrHPf8&pp=ygUnZWxpdGUgZGFuZ2Vyb3VzIGFuYWNvbmRhIGh5ZHJhIHNwZWVkcnVu


As to the topic itself - for one, Maelstroms neutralize all Guardian weapons, so your “C3/4 shard cannons” are going to melt every time before you could even reach it, and on the other hand…

Maybe you should ask the Aegis supporters what they think of making it churn out weapons again like the superpowers wanted of old Aegis, after they quite deliberately pushed for the opposite direction, which we are seeing now.

And Alba Tesreau would probably also have a word or two to say. Last I heard, she intended to develop communication methods with the Thargoids, instead of going with the brute force approach everyone else wanted. You have Azimuth for that now, so go ask them.

As for my own two cents on the subject of Maelstroms, be creative. Those things aren’t just going to walk away because you decided to poke it with a stick, when they specifically are here from us doing that. I doubt they’ll run off because you show up with guns, that’s for sure.

And as another reminder… the last GalNet contains a pretty strong hint that conventional methods aren’t going to cut it against those things, too, so it’s not even player speculation to say that going in blasting is only liable to result in rebuys. And making the Thargoids even more cranky, thus things will be even harder on humanity.

And we’ll have to rely on Seo’s unique understanding of the Thargoids even more, like she didn’t have it bad enough already.

 

[DemiserofD]

I'm honestly not sure what people hope to accomplish by learning their language. We saw in the previous games that they are perfectly capable of speaking our language if they want to. The thing is, they only want to if they have an existential threat like the mycoid.

Even then, rather than openly attempt to communicate with humanity and search for peace, they just attempted to press gang individual Pilots into stealing the Cure.

It seems pretty self-evident that they have absolutely no interest in peace with Humanity. It seems to me that the best case scenario is to achieve roughly what the Guardians did, and force them to withdraw. After that, we just have to try not to destroy ourselves, but we've been doing that for a thousand years.

 

[Balky]

As to the topic itself - for one, Maelstroms neutralize all Guardian weapons, so your “C3/4 shard cannons” are going to melt every time before you could even reach it,

exactly the point, they wanna go play where our best weaponry doesn`t work , it takes all of about 10 secs for every guardian module on your ship to fail, apart from the hull reinforcements that is. You wanna go be chum in the water or do you want to be the tiger shark ?

Aegis, did they send a pilot out for their last test , nah it was a drone, typical lab rats can`t even do their own work . Typical headsheds have no idea what it is to be in the front line which is why their priorities are erse about neeple

 

[Balky]

Let me know when you manage to dakka dakka a cyclops to death with your ax multicannon in open space, hell even in a terrestrial cz where you don`t need flak launchers .
bypass gameplay yeah right, i`d fully expect the thargys to roll out something even tougher in response , you reckon the guardians didn`t have more than we`ve got ? Aegis, Did they send one of their own out on their last experiment, or was it a drone ? They`ve probably had enough thargy samples to build a fleet of them , but yeah,caustic sink launcher ( which isn`t on the open market yet still ) requires you to go fly into the maelstrom for the parts where aegis won`t go , and those damn generators are a flipping nightmare, i swear they actually had a homing beacon on me
As for my ship, i have a nice shield cutter actually with lots of hull to take a pounding on . I have debated running a cold barrier anni , but mines parked out on the edge of Guardian space where i was exploring , following the chain of known systems, trying to see if a hazard a guess where the remnants may have fled, some must have see the warning signs of their AI development and fled their worlds, abandoning the parts that were a danger surely or do we really assume a race that smart was completely dumb

 

[Kira Goto]

exactly the point, they wanna go play where our best weaponry doesn`t work , it takes all of about 10 secs for every guardian module on your ship to fail, apart from the hull reinforcements that is. You wanna go be chum in the water or do you want to be the tiger shark ?

Aegis, did they send a pilot out for their last test , nah it was a drone, typical lab rats can`t even do their own work . Typical headsheds have no idea what it is to be in the front line which is why their priorities are erse about neeple

Well, think about it this way... would you be reaching the Maelstrom center at all without the caustic sink and pulse neutralizer?

My bets are on the answer being no. Stop hitting on Aegis because it's not the weapon manufacturing machine you want it to be. That purpose, should they decide to stop doing more or less nothing, is Azimuth's. Someone needed to develop the modules necessary to even make Maelstrom exploration of the deeper regions possible in the first place.

And if there is a way to bypass the Guardian neutralizer field, it will eventually be found(or if you prefer a non-lore/RP answer, it will be there when Frontier decides to give it to us), not that I can say who would. It'll probably have something to do with the unclassified relic.

Though even then, I'd question if any regular ship-based weaponry will do much more than annoy the very likely Thargoid equivalent of a capital ship. It's not exactly like we know much of their capabilities - which is partly the point of getting the neutralizer module out first. Figure out what you're dealing with, then decide what the best way of dealing with it is. Avoids wasted time and resources.

some must have see the warning signs of their AI development and fled their worlds, abandoning the parts that were a danger surely or do we really assume a race that smart was completely dumb

They made AI and treated it like a tool incapable of exceeding the basic rule set it was designed to fit. Never even saw the betrayal coming, in the way that it did, as a result. Especially since there was no warning - the way I understand it, basically right after the civil war between the two prominent Guardian factions within their society finished, the Constructs decided to wipe them out.

And I stand by my point that direct assaults of the Maelstroms themselves - aka the big ships in the center - is likely suicidal. Maybe the only choice we have is to drive them off - not that I believe so - but conventional warfare isn't going to cut it if so. And what's the point in creating a human character who understands the Thargoids if the whole idea is to not bother creating any kind of communication at all, at any point? Or just some form of understanding of their species that we absolutely don't have?

Again, this isn't some frenzied assault to wipe out humanity and nothing but. You might like to forget about it to push AX rhetoric, but if we were all the Thargoids really cared about, they could've gotten rid of us already. But since we don't have an understanding of their language, well, guess we need to keep exposing the person that doesn't want to be exposed to the hivemind more than should be necessary. If it would even be possible to figure out their motives from standard communications.

 

[FryaDuck]

What we need are ships able to spray the Maelstroms with tons of Roundup®

 

[Balky]

Well, think about it this way... would you be reaching the Maelstrom center at all without the caustic sink and pulse neutralizer?

My bets are on the answer being no. Stop hitting on Aegis because it's not the weapon manufacturing machine you want it to be. That purpose, should they decide to stop doing more or less nothing, is Azimuth's. Someone needed to develop the modules necessary to even make Maelstrom exploration of the deeper regions possible in the first place.

And if there is a way to bypass the Guardian neutralizer field, it will eventually be found(or if you prefer a non-lore/RP answer, it will be there when Frontier decides to give it to us), not that I can say who would. It'll probably have something to do with the unclassified relic.

Though even then, I'd question if any regular ship-based weaponry will do much more than annoy the very likely Thargoid equivalent of a capital ship. It's not exactly like we know much of their capabilities - which is partly the point of getting the neutralizer module out first. Figure out what you're dealing with, then decide what the best way of dealing with it is. Avoids wasted time and resources.


They made AI and treated it like a tool incapable of exceeding the basic rule set it was designed to fit. Never even saw the betrayal coming, in the way that it did, as a result. Especially since there was no warning - the way I understand it, basically right after the civil war between the two prominent Guardian factions within their society finished, the Constructs decided to wipe them out.

And I stand by my point that direct assaults of the Maelstroms themselves - aka the big ships in the center - is likely suicidal. Maybe the only choice we have is to drive them off - not that I believe so - but conventional warfare isn't going to cut it if so. And what's the point in creating a human character who understands the Thargoids if the whole idea is to not bother creating any kind of communication at all, at any point? Or just some form of understanding of their species that we absolutely don't have?

Again, this isn't some frenzied assault to wipe out humanity and nothing but. You might like to forget about it to push AX rhetoric, but if we were all the Thargoids really cared about, they could've gotten rid of us already. But since we don't have an understanding of their language, well, guess we need to keep exposing the person that doesn't want to be exposed to the hivemind more than should be necessary. If it would even be possible to figure out their motives from standard communications.

You want to try talking to the bugs who decided to arbitrarily declare war on humanity and occupy over 1000 systems, murdering millions of our people.
The only noise I want to hear from them is that wail of anguish and fear they emit just before they go pop , and turn into a green gas cloud slowly wafting away on the wind like a giant caustic fart.

 

[varonica]

Me dude, what you're putting out on display here is incredibly myopic for a number of reasons.

We already have an abundance of effective AX solutions at our disposal, developed both by the Aegis and the Azimuth Biotech. Developing more conventional means of warfare isn't going to help us secure victory over Thargoids, instead, we have to reach for what's unconventional; think outside the box that we've been trapped in thus far.

But where is my "I Win" Button from Aegis? I won't be happy until I have an "I Win" button!

 

[Ultra Fluffy]

You want to try talking to the bugs who decided to arbitrarily declare war on humanity and occupy over 1000 systems

Someone missed the bit about the Proteus Wave. It not as if a human organisation tried to wipe out all the Thargoids. That would not annoy them at all. That's like stamping on a hornet's net and wondering why everyone around you gets stung, then complaining that the local government did not provide you with an instant kill hornet spray that came free and didn't even require you point it in the right direction.

You don't want there to be a reason for the war. You don't want to have to collect and develop weapons and ships. You don't want to venture into the unknown. You just want a big red button to press. Then you can complain that the game is no good. It sounds like you don't actually want to play the game at all, just hit the button and move on to ruin the next game.

What are you expecting from this game?

 

[amigacooke]

Must get my eyes tested, I saw the title as 'What we really need from Amiga'

 

[Kira Goto]

You want to try talking to the bugs who decided to arbitrarily declare war on humanity and occupy over 1000 systems, murdering millions of our people.
The only noise I want to hear from them is that wail of anguish and fear they emit just before they go pop , and turn into a green gas cloud slowly wafting away on the wind like a giant caustic fart.

Arbitrarily? Have you forgotten that we decided to try exterminating them twice when it was always us who were the aggressors?

Nevermind, someone else already brought that up. You’re just obsessed with AX and want to push it no matter what logic or counterarguments are presented to you. So I guess I’ll just go and continue staying out of the thread like I planned to.

 

[Helmut Grokenberger]

Let me know when you manage to dakka dakka a cyclops to death with your ax multicannon in open space, hell even in a terrestrial cz where you don`t need flak launchers .

Is it possible you missed the odd weapons upgrade? It is very easy to "dakka dakka" a cyclops with the new enhanced gimballed AX MCs. Put three large ones (or two large and two medium) on a Krait and you will take out a cyclops almost as fast as with Gauss cannons. Not instagibbing (which is boring anyway, from a gameplay perspective), but very capable against Cyclopses.