What will ED look like at the end of the 10-year plan?

[Privata]

You really love the combat system? The fight mecanism might be good, but the lack of ship customizations and the linear (or almost inversely proportional) progression as you improve ship/weapon/shield is so bad it breaks everything.
Trading being fun? Seriously, are your expectations so low for a game?
BGS... I wouldn't even know gow to call those.

Exploration is pretty visually, to a degree this point doesn't need much more. Yet, it is only that, an empty visual experience. A sightseeing tour which doesn't bring anything and you can't get the game to move any further by doing it.

Now, they promised to fix some of those jn the incoming update. Let's wish this is true.

The ships are not all upgrades , I fly a vulture and will not ''upgrade'' because for my play style a python and a FDL are pure downgrades. It could be better but I dont think its a massive issue.

As for trading , have you ever played X² or 3 or any older games like the first elite? because elite is that in HD. I like trading because you have to scout around looking for the best prices and then make the trades whiles avoiding danger. there is more to it than one might think on the surface.

I did not understand what you said about the BGS , sorry

How would you make exploration deep? when I go explore a forest near my house its not deep its me in a forest looking for cool sights. of course in elite I would love to take samples and mine whiles exploring but that will be there later and currently there is so much to see out there in the galaxy.

Not everything has to give you a gold star or a reward I hate that in modern games , I hate geting XP for loosing in FPS games... You either win or loose.

The game is deep , I have played all the major space sims out there from the first elite to X to even the cash in games and small budget ones and Elite is to me currently the best it offers many things other games will never do (like scientific realism for space and its objects)

I have to be honest , not to be rude but I fnid you calling my expectations for games low to be very insulting.

This forum is starting to become the bioware forums were everyone just hates on the game and its devs all day... I mean on the bioware forums its so bad the devs dont even want to look at it anymore...
And 2.1 will not fix everything it will fix most things but not everything can be fixed in one go.
If there is a game thats better than elite tell me because I have yet to see it , X is cool and I will allways love it and have been part of the devnet for it but its not what it used to be it went downhill post X² , freelancer was just starlancer with a fake open world and the others are allmost all knockoffs.
Star citizen might be good and NMS stands no chance for me because of its presentation and lack of science

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I remember the Premium Beta days.

hehe, I still have some Screenshots somewhere.
It looks so adorably clunky and simple.
But yet still it looked somewhat better in some regards.

I love the game, I loved it before and I can't see a single reason for stop the love.



Yeah, I'm an optimist.

No , you just have a healthy mind...

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Unfinished?

Whats the point in saying that? its just not very nice towards the devs.
we allready have one of the bigest space sims ever here that rivals all past games with both current content and promised content...
Not sins X² has a game blown me away like EliteD...

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Something tells me they might be better suited working for Hello Games.

The guys who make kids games like joe danger?

 

[Zeta Legion]

The ships are not all upgrades , I fly a vulture and will not ''upgrade'' because for my play style a python and a FDL are pure downgrades. It could be better but I dont think its a massive issue.

As for trading , have you ever played X² or 3 or any older games like the first elite? because elite is that in HD. I like trading because you have to scout around looking for the best prices and then make the trades whiles avoiding danger. there is more to it than one might think on the surface.

I did not understand what you said about the BGS , sorry

How would you make exploration deep? when I go explore a forest near my house its not deep its me in a forest looking for cool sights. of course in elite I would love to take samples and mine whiles exploring but that will be there later and currently there is so much to see out there in the galaxy.

Not everything has to give you a gold star or a reward I hate that in modern games , I hate geting XP for loosing in FPS games... You either win or loose.

The game is deep , I have played all the major space sims out there from the first elite to X to even the cash in games and small budget ones and Elite is to me currently the best it offers many things other games will never do (like scientific realism for space and its objects)

I have to be honest , not to be rude but I fnid you calling my expectations for games low to be very insulting.

This forum is starting to become the bioware forums were everyone just hates on the game and its devs all day... I mean on the bioware forums its so bad the devs dont even want to look at it anymore...
And 2.1 will not fix everything it will fix most things but not everything can be fixed in one go.
If there is a game thats better than elite tell me because I have yet to see it , X is cool and I will allways love it and have been part of the devnet for it but its not what it used to be it went downhill post X² , freelancer was just starlancer with a fake open world and the others are allmost all knockoffs.
Star citizen might be good and NMS stands no chance for me because of its presentation and lack of science

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No , you just have a healthy mind...

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Whats the point in saying that? its just not very nice towards the devs.
we allready have one of the bigest space sims ever here that rivals all past games with both current content and promised content...
Not sins X² has a game blown me away like EliteD...

Pretty much every feature in game needs more depth of content added. Everything added to the game so far has been skeletal at best.

2.1 will not fix 'most' things. It will begin to address SOME things, like the lack of character (and characters) and general lack of ship customization. This game really ought to try to have deeper content than a game from 1984 that could run on a pocket calculator.

And about Bioware, their fans have a lot to be upset about. ME3 was not only an objectively bad game, it managed to ruin the lore so badly they had to reboot it with Andromeda. DA2 was a failure of apocalyptic proportions, and DA:I was a massive over-correction to the point where important aspects of the game suffered for it. KotoR went F2P in a flash despite the copious amounts of marketing and hype. Also EA has very little to do with the poor performance at Bioware since their acquisition. EA has taken a mostly hands-off approach to managing their studio, so the hole they dug themselves into is entirely on their heads.

 

[WR3ND]

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Bit of an off topic tangent (sorry for that), but Star Citizen is a complete nonstarter for me, unfortunately.

I can't support their predatory marketing strategies and think what they're doing is terrible for the gaming industry as a whole, irrelevant of whatever game they do eventually end up making. Sure, it might not be quite as bad as scamming the elderly out of their life savings, ensuring that they live out the rest of their years in misery and regret, but it's along the same trajectory. Beyond that, their community comes across as being way too cultish for my tastes too; "Star Citizens" indeed. [blah]

Shame, since at face value there seems to be a lot of potential for a game I would otherwise enjoy.

Disclaimer: I'm well aware that many of you might not care to agree with me on these points and that there is likely a lot of crossover between communities. I'm alright with that and hopefully this post won't serve to derail this thread further. I'm not making a comparison between Star Citizen and Elite either, partly because I don't think there's much value in attempting to do so.

Now back to your regularly scheduled topic...

 

[Ian Skippy]

Pretty much every feature in game needs more depth of content added. Everything added to the game so far has been skeletal at best.

2.1 will not fix 'most' things. It will begin to address SOME things, like the lack of character (and characters) and general lack of ship customization. This game really ought to try to have deeper content than a game from 1984 that could run on a pocket calculator.

And about Bioware, their fans have a lot to be upset about. ME3 was not only an objectively bad game, it managed to ruin the lore so badly they had to reboot it with Andromeda. DA2 was a failure of apocalyptic proportions, and DA:I was a massive over-correction to the point where important aspects of the game suffered for it. Also EA has very little to do with the poor performance at Bioware since around 2011. EA has taken a mostly hands-off approach to managing their studio, so the hole they dug themselves into is entirely on their heads.

You do understand its impossible to discuss something with a person who cannot even entertain the notion his opinion isn't a fact? By the way, if you think that ED doesnt have deeper mechanics that the original from 1984 I can only say whatever idea of 'depth' you have is not something I hope to ever see.

 

[lysan]

I guess you haven't got The Memo, Lysander. Here's how it works over here:

1) Make stuff up
2) Get very angry at your own imaginations
3) Vent frustration to random strangers online

well I got it, but I assumed it was regarding another game? no?

 

[Zeta Legion]

You do understand its impossible to discuss something with a person who cannot even entertain the notion his opinion isn't a fact? By the way, if you think that ED doesnt have deeper mechanics that the original from 1984 I can only say whatever idea of 'depth' you have is not something I hope to ever see.

Pot, meet Kettle.

 

[Privata]

Pretty much every feature in game needs more depth of content added. Everything added to the game so far has been skeletal at best.

2.1 will not fix 'most' things. It will begin to address SOME things, like the lack of character (and characters) and general lack of ship customization. This game really ought to try to have deeper content than a game from 1984 that could run on a pocket calculator.

And about Bioware, their fans have a lot to be upset about. ME3 was not only an objectively bad game, it managed to ruin the lore so badly they had to reboot it with Andromeda. DA2 was a failure of apocalyptic proportions, and DA:I was a massive over-correction to the point where important aspects of the game suffered for it. KotoR went F2P in a flash despite the copious amounts of marketing and hype. Also EA has very little to do with the poor performance at Bioware since their acquisition. EA has taken a mostly hands-off approach to managing their studio, so the hole they dug themselves into is entirely on their heads.

If thats your opinion then... But I love this game , its wonderfull.
And ME3 had flaws but was still an amazing story and had just wonderfull charecter moments.
Yeah ME3 was the weakest of the trilogy but thats like saying bronze is the worst of the medals , its true but its still a medal.

 

[lysan]

Like there being a 10 year plan? Sorry I couldn't help myself...

Well, if you want a picture with David Braben holding a sign saying "TEN YEAR PLAN" you ain't gonna find it. However the DEVS have hinted many times "offline" and as quick side remarks that there is a 10 year plan for the game. Right now we are probably 4 years into that plan, that leaves us with remaining 6 years.

So from official statement from FD. (the seasons are speculation from me, the headlines are not)

Season 2, airless planets + more
Season 3, space legs + more
Season 4, Starting on atmospheric planets +more
Season 5, Continued adding content to season 4 (cities and wildlife)
Season 6, Player controlled cap. ships + more.

That will give you 10 years of DEVELOPMENT!

 

[Privata]

Well, if you want a picture with David Braben holding a sign saying "TEN YEAR PLAN" you ain't gonna find it. However the DEVS have hinted many times "offline" and as quick side remarks that there is a 10 year plan for the game. Right now we are probably 4 years into that plan, that leaves us with remaining 6 years.

So from official statement from FD. (the seasons are speculation from me, the headlines are not)

Season 2, airless planets + more
Season 3, space legs + more
Season 4, Starting on atmospheric planets +more
Season 5, Continued adding content to season 4 (cities and wildlife)
Season 6, Player controlled cap. ships + more.

That will give you 10 years of DEVELOPMENT!

Hope not... I wanted 10 seasons

 

[NMS]

Pretty much every feature in game needs more depth of content added. Everything added to the game so far has been skeletal at best.

2.1 will not fix 'most' things. It will begin to address SOME things, like the lack of character (and characters) and general lack of ship customization. This game really ought to try to have deeper content than a game from 1984 that could run on a pocket calculator.

This is a fact.

But I still have faith, even more because of the delay (for the better), that 2.1 should bring some deeper content to the game than shallow current content.

 

[Ian Skippy]

This is a fact.

I think I am starting to understand how it works. How about we start a new ED Dictionary?

fact
noun \ˈfakt\
1) Something you really agree with
2) Something you wish were true

 

[lysan]

Hope not... I wanted 10 seasons

No one are saying that you can't have that, however we are discussing the 10 year plan, and that is a completely different subject.

Spoiler

 

[NMS]

I think I am starting to understand how it works. How about we start a new ED Dictionary?

I will prefer That they start a new ED gameplay.

 

[lysan]

I will prefer That they start a new ED gameplay.

Well, NMS (the game) will be released in June, then you will most likely be moving into that game. Regarding ED, the train is moving steady towards its milestone and we will see what FD have been up to. After that we can evaluate if this was a great patch or not.

 

[Privata]

You can't stand NMS because of the lack of science (I can stand it eithed but simply because it's style doesn't appeal to me) yet you love Elite because of scientific realism?

You are one funny pal. I'm starting to appreciate reading you even if I mostly disagree with your opinion about how Elite should aim to be in the near future and how "great" it is at this moment.

With comment and logic like yours, I can highly claim Aldo to still be a deep game today as per your Elite Dangerous standard. That claim is as relevant as anything you threw in here earlier.

The galaxy is scientifically correct.
You dont have to insult me , opions differ based on different users.
Nothing I said is fact just as much as what you are saying here is not factual.
Why cant I love elite? what part of that is wrong to you?
It has more depth than the original elite and more depth than X3 (not counting moded X3)
If something better comes in the future I will play that but so far I see no proof of that beyond some of the deeper ideas from SC but Elite has the same plans most of the time so it would be a better of witch one keeps me the longest.
If you want to debate with me about quality of Elite or not please dont insult me...

 

[VR Mr Teatime]

Here's a useful link to a development trajectory that's always worth comparing to ED if its felt things are not going fast enough: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansions_of_Eve_Online

Elite Dangerous has started from a higher comparative point and is progressing faster...

There can be no guarantees of a full ten year development (from release), but can anyone dispute that success is still one of the possible outcomes with absolute certainty? Whilst that is the case I will personally hang on to my seat on the ride and smile doing it

 

[Privata]

Here's a useful link to a development trajectory that's always worth comparing to ED if its felt things are not going fast enough: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansions_of_Eve_Online

Elite Dangerous has started from a higher comparative point and is progressing faster...

There can be no guarantees of a full ten year development (from release), but can anyone dispute that success is still one of the possible outcomes with absolute certainty? Whilst that is the case I will personally hang on to my seat on the ride and smile doing it

Thats one of the reasons I dont get all the hate , it started with more content than games like WoW or EVE... and has more content than most other space sims.
And for science lovers its amazing to point to a place in the real night sky and go there in elite

 

[Deleted member 110222]

I hope Elite will have zero-g space-pub brawls.

When that happens, I will sell all my ships bar my Cobra Mk IV, and live in a dingy outpost with said seedy bar.

 

[Traven Mayhem]

Player numbers and Horizons purchases have nosedived -- the community is abandoning this game in droves.

At the current rate, it's unlikely to see a season 3 release and will likely slip into maintenance mode until it shuts down or can fix its mechanics to the point where players come back and want to invest in future seasons... If FDEV really 'believes' in their product they might risk a season 3 release and gamble on some game changing mechanics in it, but I find this unlikely.

 

[NMS]

It has more depth than the original elite and more depth than X3 (not counting moded X3)

Hum...specifically at this point, this is not true. In some aspects such as the economy, fleet and fleet management, player stations, just to name an example X3 is much, much more complete and complex than the ED.

ED has its own strengths, like the galaxy, fligth model, combat, multplayer, but in other X3 is unbeatable.