Ships Which is Better? Confused a Bit.

[Random Player]

Hello

I am having a hard time deciding on this build and wondering what would be better, even Resistances for my shields or basically ignoring the Resistances and tanking it for as many Mj in the shields as I can get?

If you look at the pictures below... in one pic, I have pretty even Resistances and a shield Mj of right around 1000Mj, which seems kind of low on the shield Mj, OR, I can Heavy Duty / SC the Boosters and get the Shields up to a more respectable 2400+Mj.

I want to use this ship for many different areas of combat, but primarily I'd like it to be PvP worthy. Can I assume the higher Mj Shields would be better for PvP 1v1 engagements? The way I understand it, if I run up against players with PA and Rail loadout, then the Resistances are nullified, as these weapons ignore Resistances? Do I have the correct? So, even though the Heavy Duty build has a -8.5 on the Thermal, would this matter in any way if I am fighting someone with PAs and Rails? What if I run up against a player that has LOTS of Thermal weapons? Is that -8.5 Thermal Resistance going to hurt me, in a big way?

Any advice on this would be appreciated. I do try to balance my Resistances and end up with a good Resistances /Mj on Shields on most ships, but on this build, I seem to have to pick one or the other, Resistance vs raw Shield Mj.

Thanks! A little confused on which way to go here. I am leaning toward higher Mj Shields

 

[CMDR Cknarf]

PAs don’t ignore 100% of resistances, but a good portion of them.

You want some positive thermal resistance, since thermal Frags and Multicannons exist, and are rather common.

Focus on heavy duty shield boosters, but consider adding a thermal to help balance that out. You’ll still have a lotta upfront MJ, but still have some positive thermal.

I fly off-meta stuff, but I believe the average prismatic FDL has 20-30% thermal resistance, depending on booster configuration. Plug in 4-5 booster configs in coriolis to get an idea of what it will look like.

 

[Vedmo]

I don't PvP, so claiming no knowledge there, but so far as best choice, look at the effective values to the right of the resist percentages. The second build has over double the absolute value while even with negative resistance having the same (6 more technically) thermal value.

Ignoring recharge rate it will take more damage than the first build under any circumstance.

 

[Random Player]

I don't PvP, so claiming no knowledge there, but so far as best choice, look at the effective values to the right of the resist percentages. The second build has over double the absolute value while even with negative resistance having the same (6 more technically) thermal value.

Ignoring recharge rated it will take more damage than the first build under any circumstance.

That part is a little confusing to me... how is it that the HP Thermal is 2,220Mj when the Thermal is -8.5, whereas the High Thermal Booster build has nearly the same HP Thermal HP at 2,214Mj? And which one ultimately matters?

 

[Vedmo]

The -8.5 thermal takes over full thermal damage, it is essentially buffing enemy thermal weapons. To get through your absolute shield value of 2408 with thermal damage, it will only take 2220 thermal damage since the thermal weapon will be hitting at over 100% power. (2220 x 1.085 = 2408.7)

The 51.8 thermal resist one is reducing enemy thermal damage, so its 1067 absolute value will actually require a thermal weapon to dump 2214 damage into it to defeat it. Since that damage is being reduced by roughly half, it takes about twice as much of it to do the job.


Hope that makes sense!

 

[Hoshizoku]

Both heavily relying on SCBs:
https://s.orbis.zone/bdvl (double bank / heatsink)
https://s.orbis.zone/bdvS (eat the heat of the g6 SCB then turn it off and switch on both g5 SCBs and double bank w/ heatsink. Beware the longer Spin up for the g6 tho)
Better run once the shields are down.

 

[Northpin]

Hello

I am having a hard time deciding on this build and wondering what would be better, even Resistances for my shields or basically ignoring the Resistances and tanking it for as many Mj in the shields as I can get?

If you look at the pictures below... in one pic, I have pretty even Resistances and a shield Mj of right around 1000Mj, which seems kind of low on the shield Mj, OR, I can Heavy Duty / SC the Boosters and get the Shields up to a more respectable 2400+Mj.

I want to use this ship for many different areas of combat, but primarily I'd like it to be PvP worthy. Can I assume the higher Mj Shields would be better for PvP 1v1 engagements? The way I understand it, if I run up against players with PA and Rail loadout, then the Resistances are nullified, as these weapons ignore Resistances? Do I have the correct? So, even though the Heavy Duty build has a -8.5 on the Thermal, would this matter in any way if I am fighting someone with PAs and Rails? What if I run up against a player that has LOTS of Thermal weapons? Is that -8.5 Thermal Resistance going to hurt me, in a big way?

Any advice on this would be appreciated. I do try to balance my Resistances and end up with a good Resistances /Mj on Shields on most ships, but on this build, I seem to have to pick one or the other, Resistance vs raw Shield Mj.

Thanks! A little confused on which way to go here. I am leaning toward higher Mj Shields

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Second is better - make sure you also check the after-resistances values.

So for the first build you have 1087 MJ absolute and 2214 thermal (after resist)
Second build has 2400 absolute and 2220 thermal after resists. The Explosive and Kinetic are waaay better.

Keep in mind that shield resists do not count when you receive absolute damage.
And collisions (ramming) are absolute damage, while 60% of plasma damage is also absolute.
Rails are kinetic and thermals, with more weight on thermal

Ideally you'd want some thermal resists, but whatever build you chose, check both the absolute MJ and the post-resists values.
And another advice, Prismatics are good mostly in PVP and only in niche builds in PVE.
So if you dont PVP, Bi-weaves are the preferred shield choice

 

[Justi]

I know it maybe better to create new tread for this question, but i'm building my own Krait and looking at others builds.
The question is: why noone uses kill warrant scanner?

 

[efoo]

I know it maybe better to create new tread for this question, but i'm building my own Krait and looking at others builds.
The question is: why noone uses kill warrant scanner?

My thought is the extra credit you earn from having a KWS on your ship, is not worth it taking up one module space in the limited Utility slots.

 

[Hawk of Battle]

Yeah even with the recent buffs, after say, 30 minutes of bounty hunting, I know I can cash in around 7 mil from in-system bounties, but usually only find like, 2-3 ships that pop up with additional out-of-system bounties which seem to earn less than a mill total, after paying the IF fees. So, whilst a KWS certainly pays for itself many times over, the actual amount it gives you is still very low compared to just, all the other bounties you'll accrue, so it's probably better to just stick another shield booster on.

 

[Imo]

for pve I suggest getting good resistances but for pvp I prefer raw megajoule.

 

[Just Paul]

I know it maybe better to create new tread for this question, but i'm building my own Krait and looking at others builds.
The question is: why noone uses kill warrant scanner?

I have a KWS on my PvE ship as I mainly do bounty hunting for bgs. The extra bounties are nice as I can use them in other systems I'm attacking. Also with the recent buff the free money is not that bad.

 

[Gully Foyle]

Hello

I am having a hard time deciding on this build and wondering what would be better, even Resistances for my shields or basically ignoring the Resistances and tanking it for as many Mj in the shields as I can get?

If you look at the pictures below... in one pic, I have pretty even Resistances and a shield Mj of right around 1000Mj, which seems kind of low on the shield Mj, OR, I can Heavy Duty / SC the Boosters and get the Shields up to a more respectable 2400+Mj.

I want to use this ship for many different areas of combat, but primarily I'd like it to be PvP worthy. Can I assume the higher Mj Shields would be better for PvP 1v1 engagements? The way I understand it, if I run up against players with PA and Rail loadout, then the Resistances are nullified, as these weapons ignore Resistances? Do I have the correct? So, even though the Heavy Duty build has a -8.5 on the Thermal, would this matter in any way if I am fighting someone with PAs and Rails? What if I run up against a player that has LOTS of Thermal weapons? Is that -8.5 Thermal Resistance going to hurt me, in a big way?

Any advice on this would be appreciated. I do try to balance my Resistances and end up with a good Resistances /Mj on Shields on most ships, but on this build, I seem to have to pick one or the other, Resistance vs raw Shield Mj.

Thanks! A little confused on which way to go here. I am leaning toward higher Mj Shields

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I'd go lower shield to get that higher thermal resist. Because lasers and energy weapons. Is there something in the middle as a compromise?

I have a KWS on my PvE ship as I mainly do bounty hunting for bgs. The extra bounties are nice as I can use them in other systems I'm attacking. Also with the recent buff the free money is not that bad.

I'm making bank with my alt in the bubble for just those reasons.