I have to agree. I prefer the Phantom aesthetically based on the livestream (I don't care for the exposed wiring and wideset copilot seats in the MkII), but I was hoping that the core and internals would be more comparable to the MkII. It just gives up way too much for me to replace the MkII for what I use it for (bubble mission running and smuggling/blockade running). Hopefully they reconsider some of the penalties and make it a bit more competitive.
Which Krait would you take? MKII vs Phantom
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I have to agree. I prefer the Phantom aesthetically based on the livestream (I don't care for the exposed wiring and wideset copilot seats in the MkII), but I was hoping that the core and internals would be more comparable to the MkII. It just gives up way too much for me to replace the MkII for what I use it for (bubble mission running and smuggling/blockade running). Hopefully they reconsider some of the penalties and make it a bit more competitive.
Oops yes. 16t fuel sucks.
At least, lighter hull will make for better fuel efficiency, no ?
It still has 8 internals, one more than the asp, so it could have its optional fuel tank as well...
But yeah. That sucks. Hope beta will highlight the flaw. Weapon slot, Internals and slf were enough of a loss. Looks like they overdid it again...
At least, lighter hull will make for better fuel efficiency, no ?
It still has 8 internals, one more than the asp, so it could have its optional fuel tank as well...
But yeah. That sucks. Hope beta will highlight the flaw. Weapon slot, Internals and slf were enough of a loss. Looks like they overdid it again...
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It seems related to coriolis, which says it has a max c4 tank but comes with a c5. I suspect c4 is a typo, and wiki just copied it.note about half the modules have mismatched stats, sometimes up to even a two class difference!
ED Shipyard says 16T:
http://www.edshipyard.net/#/L=CB0H4C0S0,FBG0FBG0,,9p30AAo0AQQ0AeU0Au60B9I0BLo0Bb60,,
I would personally believe that. I said elsewhere that the delta between the 2 ships was too small, considering the Phantom is smaller. What we've discovered since regarding slot sizes would seem right.
If its indeed a 32T tank then \o/
Same FSD as the AspX/Krait MK II. Which means same peak fuel usage with half the capacity of either for jumping. Basically a high capacity AspX with more power plant room and power distro capacity, but half the fuel. The losses don't seen unreasonable if the price was another 10-15mill lower. Even with that, the ship should still probably have a C5 fuel tank considering it's peers.
Already own a Mk II. Will pick up a Phantom to add to my collection.
Will still wind up flying a Dolphin, Orca or Beluga most of the time.
Will still wind up flying a Dolphin, Orca or Beluga most of the time.
While the MKII will stay my main multipurpose ship, I’ll probably swap the modules from my secondary, exploration fitted Krait over to the Phantom, ponder about taking it out on an exploration trip, and then still bask towards the core in my Clipper as always, because it’s just so much nicer to fly and look at resp. out of.
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Both.
Never bugged me while exploring in the Clipper. Just put another 8t or 16t tank in an optional slot if you’re concerned.
Edit: I guess this is probably more important for people who travel to the outer regions and between the arms.
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Er, a lot of explorers fly with downsized fuel tanks. I've flown my Asp Explorer for four years all over the galaxy with just a 16T fuel tank. This still gives her about 3.5 jumps before I need to scoop, plus it allows the route plotter to utilize a higher jump value than it would with a 32T tank installed.
If the Phantom came with a 32T tank I'd very quickly downsize it to a 16T anyway!
Tell me what, that the Krait Phantom seems to be an exceptional alternative to the Asp Explorer with very similar jump range? I'm honestly pretty okay with that.
I mean, did you see that cockpit? It's so beautiful, and RED!
If the Phantom reaches over 70ly I will use it.
If not. I will still use it whenever I feel not using my corvette.
If not. I will still use it whenever I feel not using my corvette.
I've always thought of the Krait as being a "deluxe AspX" rather than as a competitor for the Python.
The Phantom, though, probably deserves that description more and, depending on it's internals, I'm not sure I really need an alternative to the AspX for anything.
Right now, the only AspX's I have in use are an explorer, a couple of mat-scavvers and a couple of VIP transport ships.
I don't actually need a better (and more expensive) ship to do those things perfectly.
And, when things get more "multirole" I think I'd prefer to be in a Krait rather than being in a lightweight, downgunned, variant of the Krait.
The Phantom, though, probably deserves that description more and, depending on it's internals, I'm not sure I really need an alternative to the AspX for anything.
Right now, the only AspX's I have in use are an explorer, a couple of mat-scavvers and a couple of VIP transport ships.
I don't actually need a better (and more expensive) ship to do those things perfectly.
And, when things get more "multirole" I think I'd prefer to be in a Krait rather than being in a lightweight, downgunned, variant of the Krait.
If the Phantom only has a 16t fuel tank, then it has sacrificed too much when you add in all the optional modules and hard point reductions.
Krait mkII explorer/passenger dungeon. Currently pulling 46ly range. 32t tank. Thanks to a 5a scoop and non-stupid route planning, I haven’t been under 3/4 tank in 15k ly. I’m currently headed for Rohini, partly to turf my annoying meatsack passengers, mostly to trade my 32t tank in for a 16t. All i’ll ever need.
This. The higher you increase your max jump range, the longer your fuel tank will last you. 16t for a 5A FSD is acceptable. It's also acceptable for a 6A (which is what the Anaconda uses.) I've never run into a situation where 32t was mandatory. It's just helpful if you prefer not to filter stars and don't want to micromanage your flight path. It's also helpful if you're running fuel limpets in specific circumstances (such as on Distant Stars.)
My Distant Stars AspX with a Guardian booster can go approximately 240ly without refueling on a 16t tank. That's quite a few jumps for a 66ly jump range. The Krait Phantom should be able to do better. Consequently, that's similar fuel efficiency to a stripped down AspX pre-engineers WITH a 32t tank.
Updated with data from Wiki
The MKII has the firepower advantage, with the Phantom losing a large hard-point and SLF capability. For combat purposes, the MKII appears to be the better choice. Quite simply, it can deliver more pain to the enemy.
The Phantom has the same number of internals as the MkII but she's a smaller ship and therefore has smaller internals. Compared to the MKII, she loses one Class 6 and one Class 5 slots, but she gains an additional Class 4 and Class 2 slots. With a Class 3 Shield Generator, the Phantom can carry 144T of cargo, compared to the 220T of the MKII. For traders, there are much cheaper options, like the Federal Dropship - which can also carry 144T of cargo for under half the price of a Phantom.
However, compared to the MkII the Phantom is a little smaller, a little faster, a little lighter (280T Hull Mass vs 320T for the MkII). The weight reduction results in a slightly better jump range, meaning that an engineered Phantom should be able to beat the 57Ly jump range for an engineered MKII (well, mine at least).
While not challenging the jump range offered by specialised exploration vessels like the Diamondback Explorer and Asp Explorer - or the magical Anaconda - the Phantom, and indeed her sightly bigger sister, are nevertheless excellent choices for exploration. Neither Krait offers the deep space baskerablity and potential jump range that the mythical and much desired Imperial Explorer would offer, but for now, they'll do.
However, there's one aspect of the Phantom which Explorers should be aware of - the reduced fuel tank size. 16T compared to the 32T of the MkII. Scoop fast, and Scoop often.
Like her bigger sister, the Phantom is Robust Exploration Certified® - meaning she's capable of carrying all of the vital exploration tools and then some: Fuel Scoop, AFMU(s), SRVs, DSS, FSD Booster and even a Fighter Bay if you wish. Bear in mind that the smaller slot sizes compared to the MKII may have an slight impact on outfitting the Phantom for exploration purposes.
All ships from Chapter 4 onwards will have a internal slot for the Full System Scanner module (which replaces all Chapter 3 Discovery scanners), freeing up a spare slot, no matter what your profession is, Kraits included.
The MKII offers excellent value for 42M CR. The Phantom? Yours for 37M CR.
Which Krait will you take? Up to you. But both are more useful than the Asp Scout, and prettier than an Asp Explorer.
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But, I am keeping my Python. I tried the Krait during beta. Didn't like the "feel". Totally subjective, of course. I'm now well adjusted to the Python. Plus I have never had much luck with SLF's, and the percentage they take. I'm not a combat pilot anymore.
I am an old dog that prefers the Asp Explorer to the DBX. I love the DBS for local mission running.
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