White Knighting in the game

The Asp is not slow, and has more potent weapons than the Cobra or Viper (and better convergence than the former), while also being quite a bit tougher.

A Cobra or Viper can still take down an Asp, but given pilots of rough skill parity, it's not easy, and the Asp can almost always get away. Good Asp pilots are extremely dangerous and a fully upgraded Asp can take huge punishment.

You can also build a light weight ASP (my current hunter ship) which will do 390-400ish on the boost, this is pretty lethal, as the difference between the viper/cobra/asp in terms of fleeing is minimal, and if the ASP is kitted with the correct weapon load out, in the time period of chasing a viper or cobra can result in death from fire dependent on the chase range.

But yes a pilots ability is a key factor!
 
During Beta/Gamma I played just solo as I didn't much enjoy griefing in past games, plus I found the servers to be much more stable when playing solo. However, since release, I've been going onto Open Play and not once have I had any trouble with people being trigger happy. Every other Commander I've come across has been either content to go about their own business or happy to have a chat over comms before going on their way. I must say it's been an entirely pleasant experience and I'm beginning to really like the connected universe.
 
Exactly! One n00b gets killed and immediately its killing the game and open play is just for PvP.
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Did you notice guys that most topics that this game is gankingfest looks like this: "I play only solo because on forums I saw that there is just griefing in open play"

Yep. In Beta or Gamma, someone made a post challenging anyone to post ss or vid proof of being "griefed" in actual play, not some "I read..." or "I was told..." or "my friend..." . Guess what? No one replied.
 
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I'm not against PvP in the game. If someone is playing as a pirate and is doing so with the aim being to make money from stealing cargo from other players, then fine. Piracy is part of the game and it's one of the choices you make on how you decide to play.

The type of PvP-ers I'm not overly keen on are random players who just attack so they can blast the dirt out of you for no real reason than to get their kicks. I personally find it quite cowardly for some brainless numpty in a big tricked out ship, and more weapons than sense, to go around blasting any poorly defended smaller ships for no good reason that to show how "good" they are at combat, and get some childish thrill out of it. If people want to play that way they should pick on ships that are more equal to their own.

That being said bullies do crop up from time to time and I think it's something we'll have to put up with. In my experience it does seem quite few and far between and will probably lessen as more and more of us filter out into the far away systems away from the start areas.
hey i'm having fun in doing it!
 
The threat from non-consensual PvP is so vastly overblown on the forums that it's simply ridiculous.

What he said. I've been playing all week in open play and I've only see one other human player and they were charging FSD and jumped from the station I was approaching. Bearing in mind that was at LAVE and I've been from Eranin, to Toxandji, to Lave and back to Luhman 16 all this week, that's a fair sample of open play.

I've ONCE been interdicted by a human since interdictors were introduced and that was at Eranin, in the Gamma by the most wanted (human) pirate in the sector, he scanned me, said "damn, no cargo!" and let me go. Oh, the griefing!

I've offered to drop free cargo and escort other players in my (heavily armed) ASP, which was not taken up and declined respectively.

Storm in a forum-teacup.
 
So, is the problem vastly overexaggered, and ED open populated by a lot of people happy to get on with their business (as I witnessed), or is the instanting system, lack of station comms etc just making it very hard for someone to white knight the starting areas?

It's massively over exaggerated. Unfortunately, sometimes by people who don't even play in Open speculating on what it might be like.

I haven't been fired on by a player since the end of Premium Beta. I mostly, but not always, fly trade ships. Since release I've been seeing lots of players being nice to each other. It's been fun 'waving' to other ships whilst waiting to dock at the outposts around the starter systems, although I've moved slightly away from there now.
 
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...the most I have was someone saying 'Boo!' over the comms.

That justifies moving to Solo and reporting said player... That's it, im outta here :D

But yes, it is seriously overblown...I have not even fired a single shot at another player since Gamma started.
Well.. that is until I get killed by another commander, then I will have to post how 10 of them ganged up on me and continuously griefed me, when really it was a single hauler pilot without shields. :p
 
I'm more shocked by the amount of people who are trying to find 'griefers' in this game. What gives? It's like someone rung out EVE online of it's 1.0 security miners and dumped them all on ELITE. It just blows my mind how many people are up in arms over getting their little internet space ship blown up by someone else's internet space ship for giggles. This almost makes me want to go out of my way to purely do this exclusively just because it's sickening.
 
I'm not against PvP in the game. If someone is playing as a pirate and is doing so with the aim being to make money from stealing cargo from other players, then fine. Piracy is part of the game and it's one of the choices you make on how you decide to play.

The type of PvP-ers I'm not overly keen on are random players who just attack so they can blast the dirt out of you for no real reason than to get their kicks. I personally find it quite cowardly for some brainless numpty in a big tricked out ship, and more weapons than sense, to go around blasting any poorly defended smaller ships for no good reason that to show how "good" they are at combat, and get some childish thrill out of it. If people want to play that way they should pick on ships that are more equal to their own.

That being said bullies do crop up from time to time and I think it's something we'll have to put up with. In my experience it does seem quite few and far between and will probably lessen as more and more of us filter out into the far away systems away from the start areas.
tell that to the fed dropship i found at a USS. i was in an eagle, i had no bounty on my head and no cargo and he was orange to me on the scanner. with weapons tucked away it scanned him to check for a bounty then finding none i flew off. the NPC then proceeded to open fire on my freagle and i had to boost out of there with pips in shields and engines while my FSD spooled up!

random ganking just for the sake of it is not just done by players, it's done by NPC's, even the clean ones.

the reason i play in open is because i know the buzz you can get from PvP, even when you're not looking for it. being interdicted by an NPC seems me swinging my guns round for a bonus bounty payout when i dock. being interdicted by a player gets my heart beating faster as i slam power into my engines to put some distance in as i try to escape. it's just more fun.

sure the other guy might be in a multi million ship and vastly out match me, but that's why i get the buzz, it's not some NPC scripted to fly down my gun sights, it's a player who is probably going to try killing me. i dont care if they have honourable intentions, it's fun for me.

one real problem ED has is the inability to talk to someone unless you are either friends or in the same instance. what you will find from these "griefers" is many are just out to have a laugh. i've learnt this from eve where many a newbie has posted on the forums at how they got killed by player pirates while in their cheap ship, and for some reason they stopped to talk. what followed was a friendly conversation and tons of advice on what to do next time. also when you leave safe space all the PvPers out there are just looking to have a good fight, they run from bad odds and chase when the odds are good (unless they suspect it's a trap) and after they fight they often drop a few compliments in and go get another ship. in ED safe space is solo/group and dangerous space is open, all of it. so i expect any player i meet that opens up on me to be a PvPer not a griefer.

so sure some players may just be out to upset other people, but the bulk of PvPers will be out for some fun, and are not doing it out of malice and given decent comms would happily coach any of their targets for next time.

i dont think you realise that you're bashing a very friendly community who take open PvP as a way to have fun and blow eachother up. i'm not saying there are no griefers, i'm just saying your average PvPer is probably not a griefer but someone who will shoot you in the face then help you do better next time (if comms allowed) and will be quite merry about getting shot in the face by someone with a bigger ship.

open PvP will attract such players as eve does, and you're agreeing to the open PvP when you click on the open button. so just think of it as getting jumped by an elite NPC that's got you out classed and is going to shoot you regardless, then see if you can out wit them. if not, well, that's what insurance is for.
 
The only PVP I've seen so far was in SOL, I was gearing up my Eagle and hunting at the nav beacon for bounties, and a PC Cobra hit me and flashed red.

I obviously turned to engage but before I could get more than a few shots off he'd messaged me to apologize, I'd drifted in to his sights and he hadn't stopped fire in time. I backed off, as who hasn't accidentally picked up a bounty in combat due to a drifting ship.

I warned him that I was friendly with federation so he might get some police after him, and sure enough the fed security vessels started to chase him, and he left to pay off the bounty.

I've seen a lot of players in my travels, and this is the only time I've even been shot at (and it was an accident). I genuinely have no idea where all this griefing rage comes from.
 
I guess I have yet to see any pvp combat, hence thinking a Cobra would beat an Asp.
I find NPC asp's far easier to kill than Cobras simply because they are big slow targets.
Once they shields are down, sometimes it's literally 2 shots from my plasma accelerator and they are toast (I always aim for the power plant) - they seem to have weaker armour than even a Sidewinder when it comes to the Plasma Acc. That thing absolutely destroys sub-components.

Maybe I just haven't come up against a fully decked out one yet with better shields.
 
First time I played I got interdicted by a Python in my sidey, with "Die noob", I just found it amusing, 4 pips to shields, boosted away, FSD charging replied "loser" and jumped. All part of the game as far as I am concerned.

The perfect way to play it :D
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I have seen quite a few other players in game mostly sideys and never had any grief off them. I was surveying an anarchy system with my new cobra and did get interdicted and attacked by a player, managed to damage them a bit but at 38% hull and a blown out wind shield I said adios!.

This was however a really exciting bit of game play and welcome this sort of thing, I was in an anarchy system after all and plan to return better equipped ;-)
 
This is human psychology: if everything is fine, no need to complain. If one thing is wrong, people will come to forum and cry and exaggerate the problem which is non-existent.

THIS^

And I find it really annoying, especially so when those straw-man arguments are used as examples to push for changes in the game. =(
 
I've been interdicted by players a couple of times. One was when I accidentally shot a Federation popo and I immediately got a wanted tag. The other time, he just interdicted me and let me on my way...something about my name he said he didn't like ;)
 
On a side note, I interdict Sideys and Eagles a lot without remorse. If they have a bounty, fair game. If they have illegal cargo, they can either drop it or get reported and fined, letting me collect a nice little bounty.

Last week I was bounty hunting on a ReS, a sidey with 400cr bounty appeared, well i killed it :D
Sorry dude
 
Sounds like we need a few more *honest* pirates to enter the profession and keep things interesting.


Maybe when wings are established we will have some 'Robin Hoods' and their merry sidewinders to relive those big fat Lakon 9 traders of their ill-gotten gains.
 
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