Why are all "conservative" factions dictatorships?

[drkaii]

Not going to speculate, but it almost seems like my game, the place I come to to get away from politics, is trying to make some weird political statement, that doesn't even make sense.

It's probably unintentional, but a bit bothersome. Every conservative minded person I know despises, thanks to their political leanings, dictatorships and i admire them for it.

(p.s. all progressive parties are democracies)

 

[Drelthar]

Realism.

 

[drkaii]

Ooooh you didn't lol

 

[edgar]

Every conservative minded person I know despises, thanks to their political leanings, dictatorships and i admire them for it.

I thought Thatcher loved dictators, such as Pinochet...

 

[Troubletcat]

That is kind of strange, since the end-game of hardcore conservatism isn't a dictatorship. If anything, I'd expect that most 'conservative' parties would be of the corporate and agriculture faction types based on what we see today.

But it's not something I've noticed at all frankly. I guess I leave my politics at the door when I start up ED. Certainly the stuff I do in-game doesn't reflect my real-life political views

 

[Drelthar]

Ooooh you didn't lol

I did... sorry

 

[drkaii]

That is kind of strange, since the end-game of hardcore conservatism isn't a dictatorship. If anything, I'd expect that most 'conservative' parties would be of the corporate and agriculture faction types based on what we see today.

But it's not something I've noticed at all frankly. I guess I leave my politics at the door when I start up ED. Certainly the stuff I do in-game doesn't reflect my real-life political views

If we are talking about American politics, I would say that the most extreme version of it would be closer to anarchy, as they are all for small government and libertarianism

 

[Iori]

Arisa Lavigny-Duval is conservative and she doesn't like dictatorships.

 

[Ian Skippy]

I'm confused, where can I see 'progressive' versus 'conservative' dictatorships? I know independent/federal/imperial government types have different descriptions, but had no idea there were further divisions made.

 

[Iori]

I'm confused, where can I see 'progressive' versus 'conservative' dictatorships? I know independent/federal/imperial government types have different descriptions, but had no idea there were further divisions made.

Elite is not doing a great job when separating government types.

For example, a government in Elite can be Communist - or - Dictatorship but can't be both, while in real life is the opposite.

 

[drkaii]

Elite is not doing a great job when separating government types.

For example, a government in Elite can be Communist - or - Dictatorship but can't be both, while in real life is the opposite.

That's a good point.

I'm confused, where can I see 'progressive' versus 'conservative' dictatorships? I know independent/federal/imperial government types have different descriptions, but had no idea there were further divisions made.

I'm talking about party names vs their government types. And as I said. I've never seen a progressive or liberal party(i.e. have those words in their names) be anything but democratic, and never seen any conservative party be anything but a dictatorship

 

[Jex =TE=]

If we are talking about American politics, I would say that the most extreme version of it would be closer to anarchy, as they are all for small government and libertarianism

Maybe it's how conservative gov'ts are perceived by the devs? In the US, I don't know what's going on over there. It seems the dems are like the old conservsatives and the gop have gone so far right they're unrecognisable. I don't think US politics is a good representation of conservative or democractic values right now so I wouldn't use that to judge what FD are using to base their game politics on (maybe they are though!)

 

[Troubletcat]

If we are talking about American politics, I would say that the most extreme version of it would be closer to anarchy, as they are all for small government and libertarianism

Yeah... I think if you go far enough in EITHER direction you end up with anarchy, for different reasons. In the game these things probably shouldn't be limited since it's all at such a basic level anyway. I mean at a certain point saying you're 'conservative' or 'liberal' could mean almost anything.

EDIT: For clarity, for example, one could be economically conservative and socially liberal.

 

[Bobbydylan]

They just want to make the Federation great again.

 

[drkaii]

Yeah... I think if you go far enough in EITHER direction you end up with anarchy, for different reasons. In the game these things probably shouldn't be limited since it's all at such a basic level anyway. I mean at a certain point saying you're 'conservative' or 'liberal' could mean almost anything.

EDIT: For clarity, for example, one could be economically conservative and socially liberal.

Yeah true. All I will say, is that in the UK, there actually is a sub faction with the word Conservative in it...so it just all feels a bit weird. Its one of those things that once you've seen it, you can't unsee it

 

[Jaybong]

Conservative to you, a 21st Century citizen could be a lot different than one in 3300. A conservative Imp would want to preserve the original ideas of the Empire, a Conservative fed would be trying to preserve completely different ideals.

 

[WR3ND]

Just looking at the word, it also means a measured restraint and therefore perhaps a lack of freedoms in some respects, so... dictatorship?

But yeah, I'm not really sure. I'd like to see a green party dictatorship and some others here and there to spice things up a bit.

Disclaimer: I'm mostly an explorer in the game, so I might not happen to see them anyway.

 

[drkaii]

Conservative to you, a 21st Century citizen could be a lot different than one in 3300. A conservative Imp would want to preserve the original ideas of the Empire, a Conservative fed would be trying to preserve completely different ideals.

Your point is indeed valid, and I just hope that is the reasoning behind the design decision. Seeing as the game is released in the 21st century, it still feels a little odd, especially such a sensitive subject as politics that everyone seems to be really passionate about nowadays.

It's funny you equate conservatism to wanting to preserve. I'm not sure it means that but it is in the word. Conservatives generally are cautious and oppose change as a way of thinking, and progressives tend to favour change as part of their nature. Maybe that does indeed manifest differently in the future but I still don't get how that leads to conservatives all being dictatorships

 

[drkaii]

Just looking at the word, it also means a measured restraint and therefore perhaps a lack of freedoms in some respects, so... dictatorship?

But yeah, I'm not really sure. I'd like to see a green party dictatorship and some others here and there to spice things up a bit.

Disclaimer: I'm mostly an explorer in the game, so I might not happen to see them anyway.

Lol! Imagine they made all parties with the word "green" in them dictatorships!

 

[Sapyx]

"Dictatorship", in this game, is assumed to be fascist, neo-fascist or pseudo-fascist in nature. Other political alignments that we 21st century Westerners would also consider to be "dictatorships" have specific categories of their own e.g. communists, theocracies and (perhaps) corporations.

Fascist-aligned dictatorships have historically liked to model themselves and label themselves as "conservative", so that's normal, I guess. So your main complaint here is the lack of procedurally-generated factions that call themselves "Conservatives" but are Democratic/Political, rather than Dictatorship.

There probably are some "conservative democrat" political parties out there... just as not all "Federal" factions are aligned with the Federation. It's simply much less probable.