Why are there no MEMERABLE characters? It makes no sense from a designers persective.

[Privata]

Don't make me bust out Dee Snider again .

So , you are not interested in a conversation about what you want in the game?

I am intrested to know details about what you want.

We all want ''more''
Be it more content , better BGS , More ships , better GalNet articles , less waiting for the thargoids
We all want something.

What is it that you want? (if you want of course)

 

[Quester91]

The game is losing players?

Well, steam charts shows less than half players are still playing the game since last christmas.

I'm not saying Elite is losing players, but surely it's not gaining any.

 

[Privata]

NPC protagonists and antagonists do work well in a linear game, like Wing Commander or Freelancer. ED isn't a linear game.

Then there's the thing about CMDRs murdering memorable characters just because.

Exactly.
More in depth bios are needed I would argue. with a thousands of pages long lore book (oh I would love that so much !)

Maybe some generic text behind NPCs giving up basic idea of what and who they are such as
If they are wanted , list crimes
If they are trading , tell us for who and why

That sort of micro world building

 

[mp4x]

Well, steam charts shows less than half players are still playing the game since last christmas.

I'm not saying Elite is losing players, but surely it's not gaining any.

Where are you reading that?

"December 2016 3,993.3 -132.8 -3.22% 7,005"
"Last 30 Days 5,309.5 -14.5 -0.27% 10,615"

The number at the end is the peak players. The number at the start is the average players.

(source)

 

[Cula-Ta]

Have you met the daring pioneers of the Distant Worlds expedition? Ziggy, Krollin, Dr. Kaii, Erimus, B.Nutter, Fraud Digger to name but a few. All legends in their own underpants!

First mention of the mighty Zig

32% loss of ED steam players in the last 30 days a year and a half ago.

And some anecdotal evidence.

At least this fanboy can do statistics.

And who should join the discussion?

Speak his name and he shall come. All hail Ziggy!

[yesnod]

Firstly, loving the irony of 'Candy Man' saying this.
Secondly, phrasing!

 

[Cephalopod]

Like I said before , this is the discussion forum.
The ideas and feedback section is here : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=76

I am being ''dogmatic'' because what I am talking about is in reference to how the game was sold. how the older games are , and the roadmap that was given to us during kickstarter and beyond.
I backed the game because I wanted a dynamic universe free of scripted missions with linear paths.

Do you know about the plans FD has for the game ? or even what style of game they are trying to make? its trying to be the oposite of a themepark MMO.

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I see , you claim there is no background , there is no lore.
I present you with some of it , and you call me a fanboy?

I am not against your opinions , I just think they go against the themes and ideas that made me back this project.

So what do you want them to do?
Add cutscenes ?
Story missions ?

Give us examples of what you mean. instead of calling us names.

I have given a lot of feedback about the game , about elements I hate FD dont have to listen to us , its there vision.
If one day it becomes something I dont like , I will just leave without a fuss.

Calling US you mean the fanboys that parrot this game is perfect and does not need new content?

Who's US? Who are you talking about. I called youa fan boy. Adding Memorable NPC's does not have to be cut scenes. I already gave examples of Memorable characters at the start of the post. I don't see any. I feel they would add to the game not dramtically change the nature of the game or make it like wow. That's all you bud. That's your fantasy that's what you think I am saying. I said nothing at all like that. I was speaking in very broad terms. Play any SCI FI game or read any SCI FI book or Watch any Sci Fi or fantasy movie and you have at least one memorable character. Just one. Characters with DEPTH. NPCS with Depth. That is the CRUX of what I was talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. But It's clearly cognitive dissonance from what I was talking about. I made overtures several times in this post saying the same thing. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WOW.. OR "YOU'RE THE ONE" Narrative. You claim I'm hostile? I would argue that anyone or anybody that disagrees with the clique like fanboys here is probably seen as hostile because he's not bleeting along with the herd.

 

[Cula-Ta]

Just looked up the film and

 

[DukeIronHand]

Calling US you mean the fanboys that parrot this game is perfect and does not need new content?

Who's US? Who are you talking about. I called youa fan boy. Adding Memorable NPC's does not have to be cut scenes. I already gave examples of Memorable characters at the start of the post. I don't see any. I feel they would add to the game not dramtically change the nature of the game or make it like wow. That's all you bud. That's your fantasy that's what you think I am saying. I said nothing at all like that. I was speaking in very broad terms. Play any SCI FI game or read any SCI FI book or Watch any Sci Fi or fantasy movie and you have at least one memorable character. Just one. Characters with DEPTH. NPCS with Depth. That is the CRUX of what I was talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. But It's clearly cognitive dissonance from what I was talking about. I made overtures several times in this post saying the same thing. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WOW.. OR "YOU'RE THE ONE" Narrative. You claim I'm hostile? I would argue that anyone or anybody that disagrees with the clique like fanboys here is probably seen as hostiles because he's not bleeting along with the herd.

Err...perhaps a change of "tone" and tactics may be beneficial...if that wasn't obvious.
Your texting acumen is not helping your cause - whatever exactly that is.
Just a suggestion.

 

[Zambrick]

It recently dawned on me why this game is probably losing it's players. There is almost nothing memorable about the game. There are no memorable villains. No heroes. Just blank emotionless Factions in powerplay. This game really needs something to get players to stick and stay interested. it's a no brainer to make characters that people can love. Interaction means immersion. Which this game kind of lacks. It feels like a text adventure without the story. Just flat uninspired characters. How could they miss this. Every Sci Fi has interesting abstract unique characters that play on your sense of wonderment.

We have no villans. We have no Heroes. Just emotionless news delivered via a galnet and a broken powerplay.






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We just killed Solome, Rachel is Dead. O and there isnt a story yet. Read the books it has plenty of characters in em. Reclamation is my fav.

 

[Privata]

Calling US you mean the fanboys that parrot this game is perfect and does not need new content?

Who's US? Who are you talking about. I called youa fan boy. Adding Memorable NPC's does not have to be cut scenes. I already gave examples of Memorable characters at the start of the post. I don't see any. I feel they would add to the game not dramtically change the nature of the game or make it like wow. That's all you bud. That's your fantasy that's what you think I am saying. I said nothing at all like that. I was speaking in very broad terms. Play any SCI FI game or read any SCI FI book or Watch any Sci Fi or fantasy movie and you have at least one memorable character. Just one. Characters with DEPTH. NPCS with Depth. That is the CRUX of what I was talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. But It's clearly cognitive dissonance from what I was talking about. I made overtures several times in this post saying the same thing. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WOW.. OR "YOUR THE ONE" Narrative. You claim I'm hostile? I would argue that anyone or anybody that disagrees with the clique like fanboys here is probably seen as hostiles because he's not bleeting along with the herd.

I never claimed the game was perfect. I even said it was flawed.

The characters are indeed flat when compared to darth vader and data.
A larger more in-depth bio would be awesome.
More interactions with them on GalNet , with voice acted interviews and maybe even a miniseries or something.

You cant say salome is a bad charecter , or a forgetable one. yeah she is from the books... but she got killed by a player. (in a recent in game event)

Some see her as a terrorist , others see her as a savior.

What I am saying is , they have backgrounds but most of them are just ''normal'' guys and girls. they are just politicians. (for the most part)
More are needed. more will come.

Elite is a more lore focused story.
Its not going to be for everyone. and I hope they add more intresting characters. but thats not something they can just ''do''

Just calling someone you dont know anything about a fanboy is silly. I have said many negative things about the game.
I have protested against some features I found dumb (instant ship tranfer , easy AI , POIs that spawn only in SRVs) and I have been making requests for deeper gameplay and lore for at least 2 and a half years.

If liking the game and finding it fun is all it takes to be a fanboy , then so be it.

 

[Cephalopod]

You brush off everybody that doesn't agree with you as a fanboy. I believe the mod was adressing everybody when he said to keep it civil.
Because I think Privata is making a fair point here; this isn't a single player story driven game. It's a life size galaxy, procedurally generated, with thousands of commanders. You just can't create a realistic storyline for everybody. This is not that kind of game.
If that makes it a bad game to you, then that's fair. But it is what it is. I really can't see how they could introduce villains and heroes, and a story in which every commander can participate in a meaningful way.
If you have some concrete and practical ideas about how this could be implemented, I'm genuinely interested in them.

And the fanboys are brushing off anyone that does not agree with them. I guess that it goes both ways. Only that I'm not a pillar of the community and you're jumping an bandwagon to be part of the herd. Look get him he's new. He's not the same skin color. Quick get the pointy hats. This is what I see. So yeah naturally I'm not going to be really receptive of a cult like mentality.

 

[Henri]

Memmerablemammaries would make an awesome book title!

 

[Cephalopod]

Err...perhaps a change of "tone" and tactics may be beneficial...if that wasn't obvious.
Your texting acumen is not helping your cause - whatever exactly that is.
Just a suggestion.

Nothing wrong with my tone. Thanks but you're all being hostile and I'm being reactionary. As in I did not swing first. So drop the self rightous .

I think it possibly has something to do with memes.

 

[Privata]

The face book page. otoku reviews the fact that people constantly call the game boring and quit. Why do I need to cite hundereds of times that I have seen it? You're litterally being cult like. SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE!!! .. Well to be honest. "You can't handle the truth" Thousands of people find this game boring. Why is it a sin to point it out or to suggets improving it? It's like talking to a wall. You don't care about opinons that do not parrot your single minded view. So why bother. Enjoy the circle Jerk. I would rather not participate. someone close this god forsaken thread so I don't have to look at theese people anymore.

No one is saying you can not suggest things. its just that this is not the suggestion section , that is found here : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=76

This section is only for talking to other players. opinion to opinion.
By all means , post a request for more indepth NPCs and backstories. its something that could help the game.

We all belive you that you have seen many players quit. most of them come here and tell everyone about it.
Some of them angry , others sad , some just going away hoping to come back to a bigger game.

But the thing is , I have seen all this before for other games.
The same stuff was said for EVE and is still said on its forums today.

Most FPS loose a good part of the player base a few months post launch.

Elite still has at least 7 years of expansions , so more content and refinement is on its way.

The game can be anoying sometimes , but the devs cant just fix issues over night.
It takes time. a lot of issues I had with it two years ago only got fixed this year ! it takes time.

 

[MrDoe]

A little virtual rep for everyone in this thread who is not trolling by now.

Let's try another method:

Wow that is a great idea! More memorable charcters! How would you go about bringing depth to the characters in a game like Elite, without cutscenes? What should be done exactly to make the ocean deep enough for you?

 

[Jenner]

This thread has run its course. Closing.